Labs/Scans???

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Firelady
Firelady Member Posts: 84

I was dx'd in Jan 2008 with 90% ER/PR+ Stage IIIA BC.  All nodes on the left side were removed when I had a dbl mastectomy and I did chemo & radiation.  I'm doing good, take Tamoxifen, and recently moved to a six month rotation on check ups.  My concern?  On my last three visits, my onc has not done any lab work and there's been no mention of scans.  I'm not having any issues, but it is a bit unnerving that my follow-ups are basically a "no problems, sounds great, see you in six months" kind of visit.  I hear about recurrences and mets to bones, organs, etc., and I wish there was some type of testing.  Otherwise, I'm afraid that by the time I notice pain and have it checked, it will be too late.  Any thoughts?

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  • NancyD
    NancyD Member Posts: 3,562
    edited February 2012

    dlt, I think I could have written your diagnosis and treatment in my records almost word for word, except I did choose recon...and that was the last time I had a scan--in prep for my DIEP. However, my onc does do blood draws at my visits.



    I guess it all depends on whether your onc considers the blood tests accurate. Some say the most prevalent one, CA27-29, is not all that reliable. Others say it's not the actual number that's so important, but the trend to increase that marks activity like mets...so they use it for that.




    Scans like PET/CT are expensive so they're usually only given at the start of treatment to aid in staging or when symptoms occur that strongly indicate metastasis. I've only had three of those, and none in the last two-1/2 years.


    I've had aches and pains that were very painful, but all have dissipated before or around the two week mark. I won't ask my onc for another PET scan unless I have unrenting symptoms--the two week rule seems to be a good measuring tool for me.

  • kfinnigan
    kfinnigan Member Posts: 1,729
    edited February 2012

    On my 4 month onc visit last month, she told me I don't need to do labs either, so that means I won't get labs for 8 more months.  I was wondering the same thing, why not?  I will ask her at my next visit.  She as done a bone scan once after I was complaining of hip pain and after my pcp ordered an xray, both were normal, thank goodness.  She said that they wait for symptoms to appear before scanning.

  • jennifer1
    jennifer1 Member Posts: 185
    edited February 2012

    I dont get scans either but a couple of days ago I did fasting blood work and my thryoid is wacked out and they are going to scan that.  Tamoxifen problaby the problem.  Dr does not think it is cancer but gotta check it out.

  • diana50
    diana50 Member Posts: 2,134
    edited February 2012

    do you want blood work done every 6 months?  if i was you; i would have a conversation with the onc and find out what he is thinking...and why he does what he does.  would you feel safer with labs and tumor marker done?  i think oncs have their own style based on their belief system on reocurrance...etc.

    i have labs done every 6 months and also 27.29.  only scan is  mammo and breast mri (i have dense breasts)  for me; that works perfectly and i like to know what is going on in my body and my onc knows this./  i have no idea how she follows her other patients but i like the way she follows me. 

    you have a right as a patient to confer with your doc and feel good about your care.

    best

    diana

  • Firelady
    Firelady Member Posts: 84
    edited February 2012

    Thanks for the replies!  It does make me uneasy that there isn't any kind of testing done, but looks like I may just need to bring it up at my next appt.  I went this week so I'll have to wait until August.  Guess I'm just a little paranoid!  :-)

  • pupfoster1
    pupfoster1 Member Posts: 1,484
    edited February 2012

    Yup, I've got the "no scan" unless there is pain onc too.  Yes it does worry me sometimes, but they say they don't want to expose us to unnecessary radiation, plus I'm sure insurance won't pay for "unwarranted" non radiation scans.  Sucks doesn't it?  But on the other hand the anticipation and waiting might be worse even if everything is OK.

    Sharon

  • SharonMH
    SharonMH Member Posts: 353
    edited February 2012

    Hi,  No scans for me either unless there is pain. I do have blood work with tumor markers once a year. SharonH

  • sandilee
    sandilee Member Posts: 1,843
    edited February 2012

    This is one of my biggest complaints about the cancer treatment we are getting.   My onc is the same way- no scans without symptoms, although he does regularly do the bloodwork. The problem with that is that bloodwork can sometimes make one complacent and thing all is ok when it's not.

     Now I'm on the other side of this, and have mets to the bones which were only discovered after one of my  vertebra collapsed.  I was numb from the chest down for a month due to the pressure on the spinal cord.   It was hell. The MRI then showed mets to my spine, ribs, and bone marrow. Had they found my mets two years ago ( I am sure they were there then) none of this would have happened!!  Maybe the outcome as far as life span might be the same, who knows, but I would not have broken my back because I would have been treated with strong meds and scanned every three months, as I am now. I also would not have been lifting boxes and putting stress on my spine with the excercises I was doing, which caused my weakened spine to collapse.

      Anyway, my thoughts, since you asked, :)  are definitely insist on scans two years out from treatment, pain or no pain. Invent pain if you have to.  I would ask for either a PET, or a combo of CT and bone scan.  You may have to say you have "discomfort" in your back and you're very worried in order to ge your onc to proceed, and for your insurance co to pay.  I had a low oncotype score, a small tumor, and no nodal involvement, and here I am.  I don't want to alarm you guys, but please insist on follow up scans, even if you don't have symptoms.  I sure wish I had.

       

  • Kathleen26
    Kathleen26 Member Posts: 210
    edited February 2012

    Like you, I was pretty unnerved by the idea that doctor visits were just 'hi, everything looks good, come back in 6 months!', without any kind of testing whatsoever.   After we've gotten probed to death when the cancer was first found, it just seems like getting dropped off a cliff.

    I actually did exactly what Sandilee is suggesting.  After a year, I complained about pain in my bones, even though I was pretty sure myself that what I was really experiencing was joint pain from the AI.  No onc is going to ignore this.   He sent me immediately for a bone scan, which thankfully was clear.   That was very instructive for me, and made me realize that I was the one who was in control of whether and when I would get scans.

    I haven't had any since, because I don't want to subject myself to unnecessary radiation.  But every couple of years or so, I'm probably going to develop some bone pain, or abdominal pain, especially if I just don't feel 'right'.

  • Rachel1
    Rachel1 Member Posts: 363
    edited February 2012

    No scans for me either. Onc. does blood work -- complete cbc every 3 months. I just found out that I don't make the protein to check for tumor markers, so obviously he can't do that.  I didn't even realize there were people who didn't make that protein. It kind of bummed me out that I had that diagnostic taken away.

    Rachel

    BRCA2+ DX 5.10 IDC 4.5 grade 3 ER+ 7+nodes 

  • caaclark
    caaclark Member Posts: 936
    edited February 2012

    I am 6 yrs. out and I have never had scans OR bloodwork (except when first diagnosed).  My docs all agree that unless there are symptoms I don't need either.  At first it bothered me but now I am glad I don't have to have them.  If I had some symptom I know they would run scans and take blood.   

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

    All I can say is don't trust your body, even if you "feel ok".  I had no symptoms whatsoever when diagnosed, so I am not relying that my body will tell me something's wrong going forward.  I insisted on tumor makers every 3 months and even though am 3 years out from diag., am glad my onc listened to my fears and scheduled for a bone scan next week.  Thankfully though, all my other bloodwork was good. 

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited February 2012

    Tumor markers were a clue for me.  My first MO did them every three months, and when they went up, he had me come in for a re-check in a month.  They rose again and then all hell broke loose.  I went from Stage I with treatment in July 2010 to Stage 3b with skin, lymph and intermammary nodes involved while everyone was looking. 

    Trust your gut, insist on labs and/or scans when things don't feel right (even if you have to exaggerate your symptoms), and don't let anyone downplay your concerns. 

  • financegirl
    financegirl Member Posts: 114
    edited February 2012

    I am new here and this caught my eye b/c it was exactly what I was going to come here and ask.    I was dx in April 2011 with a pretty aggressive cancer, had high density dosing chemo (ACT) and then 36 radiation treatments.  I began by researching oncologists before I selected one.  I found the most absolutely fantastic guy ever, and highly recommended.  Six months into my treatment he retired from the field and moved on to another discipline other than oncology.  Word on the street was he was totally burned out b/c he put so much into his patients.

    Shortly after dx, I was BRAC tested (mom died of the disease), had echocardiograms, scan, blood marker, etc.  I am thru chemo (ACT) and had 36 radiation treatments and now on Arimidex.  This pill's side effects are almost equal to what one would fear would mean your cancer has returned.  I spoke with the new oncologist who told me, no, we just do mammos these days as follow up.  I've seen other male friends who had different type cancer having scans and bloodwork all the time.  I get that treatment is/was expensive but I can't help wonder if we are not being sent down this merry path.  Once again I wonder about women's health care question.  I can seriously say that had the first oncologist told me this, I'd have walked away with a smile on my face and never questioned it but he's been replaced with Doogie Houser and I sometimes think I have shoes older than the new guy. 

    As someone whose just finished treatment a month ago, how do you all ever get over the paranoia of wondering if any little minor pain is just that or if cancer has returned.?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2012

    My question is how long does your onc recommend taking Tamoxifen?  I recently asked mine about another hormonal but she seems to think it didn't have any better benefit than Tamox.  Has anyone heard that tamoxifen actually helps with lowering cholesterol?  I don't see how that is, especially when the serious side effects include blood clots. 

  • Kathleen26
    Kathleen26 Member Posts: 210
    edited March 2012

    financegirl, I don't know if you ever totally ever get over the paranoia, what some call "cancer-induced hypochondria".   Since I have no idea what mets might feel like, I can easily imagine that every ache and pain, every headache, is a portent of doom.  Getting a grip on your mind, which can easily run away with worry, was a huge challenge for me at the end of treatment, but has become easier over time.   My onc says give a pain two weeks, and that seems to cover most of the issues I've had; by the end of the two weeks, many issues have gone away by themselves.

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