January 2012 chemo

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  • riceandbean
    riceandbean Member Posts: 25
    edited February 2012

    good morning.

    i went mia over the weekend trying to take care of "things".  "j" is feeling much more fatigue than the first  ac tx.  day 5 post tx #2 and she seemed to notice there is quite a comedown from the steroids.  "j" had a hard time dragging herself out of bed today...i kept trying to talk her into to staying home from work, but she wouldnt listen.  maybe we over did things a bit yesterday, a trip to her brothers so our son could play with his cousins...frito pie and calabacitas...yumm...although the green chili does not sit with "j"'s taste buds or tummy right now.  she is feeling a bit more nausea than she did last time...complains of strange busy dreams, has a bit of constipation (taking colace and senekot with limited results).

    at times she seems very weak...concerns me quite a bit.  her mind still seems sharp though, even if she is a bit cranky.

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    funny story:

    scene:  2 am - just came back to bed after rocking the baby back to sleep.  standing by the side of the bed.  

    "j"  i am so hot!

    me:  why dont you move some of those blankets off of you?

    "j"  come over here!

    me:  why?

    "j": just come over to my side of the bed?

    me:  how is that gonna help?

    "j":  just do it now.

    me:  how am i going to help by coming to your side of the bed?

     "j":  dont argue with me...just get over here now!

    me:  ok, now what?

    "j":  help me sit up!  why do you always have to argue with me...just listen to me for once!

    me:  ok. im sorry.

    "j":  not with one arm, two arms!  ouch...that side is where my port is!

    "j":  you are pulling my hair now!  what's wrong with you?

    finally sitting up "j" fans her pajama top once like a southern belle and falls back into the bed snoring.  confused i retreat to the couch.   i related the incident to her the next morning and she has no memory of it at all.

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    @DianeNMil:  i have no words for the comment made by your husband.  it was extremely crass and self-indulgent.  i cannot for the life of me begin to comprehend what / why he said what he did to you.  all i can do is to tell you to stay strong.  above all, take care of yourself and make sure you are making  yourself priority number one in all you do.

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    i am wishing all of you good days today!  thinking of you all and keeping you in prayer.


  • Janetanned
    Janetanned Member Posts: 532
    edited February 2012

    Riceandbean - Funny story!  Thanks for sharing.  Apparently I have had some strange dreams myself!  Dear husband reports all kinds of noise - talking, snoring and grumbling!  Of course I don't recall being so noisy.  But I don't doubt it. I wake feeling weird sometimes.  My mother has been in a few of my dreams.  She's been gone for 30yrs.  I suspect that these chemicals are playing with our sleep.

    Keep up the good work!  I found that each recovery period from AC has been slightly different.  The 3rd seemed to be the most trying.  Just had 4th tx and so far, not too bad.  It's only been a few days, so I guess it could get worse.  Hope not.  Next stop taxol!

  • hotlyn
    hotlyn Member Posts: 22
    edited February 2012

    Morning all from cloudy Australia,

     Thanks for your lovely comments Jennt28, Janetanned and NancyHB.

     I think the onc listened to me because she could see I could not go one step further with the treatment she had me on. It was either do something or I'm off all this stuff ( even though  I know that's not really an option!)

    Any way was supposed to have 3 infusions of Taxatore but won't be doing that , will just continue on the chemo for 3 more sessions, so can't tell you how pleased I am about that

    As she said my body would not have coped on taxatore so thank goodness for common sense from onc.

    As for the juicer stuff, I know how you feel nancy, at the moment I am living on green jelly and green ice cream, 2 things I normally never ever have , both full of sugar. I just feel like damm, everthing else sucks so I want food that I want!! makes no sense I know but one day if I can get my head straight and can think straight for longer than 5 mins I will look at this juicing of vegies and see if I can make it work for us. My hubby is keen, but I suspaect I will do all the work about it

    anyway ,everyone take care of yourselves, as best you can

    Lynne

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited February 2012

    I am so afraid of the Taxol and the potential for reaction.  Interestingly, I've been told no need for steroids, but that I will also be getting the Neulasta shot after each of the tx's.  I can't imagine having a reaction, stopping to resolve it, then starting again!  Oh dang, maybe I'd rather just stay with the AC.

    Anyone else having incredible hot flashes?  There have been a couple of times where my poor husand has thought I'm crazy, I'm sure.  If this is anything close to menopause, I'm going to have a hard time with the next five years of...oh, hell, chemo brain stole my remembery, that stupid medication we take...

  • Janetanned
    Janetanned Member Posts: 532
    edited February 2012

    Nancy - I called my MO today to check about the neulasta shot.  She says I should have the shot after my first taxol, but we will decide then whether it is needed for the remainder of tx.  The steroids are prescribed for the first two txs, but not the 3rd or 4th.  Not sure why.  I will have to check about that!

    I am post menopausal, so I've been through the whole hot flash business.  Not so much fun!  Weirdly enough I've been having mini hot flashes recently.  I think it might be the steroid flush.  My scalp get very sweaty, then it freezes.

  • Kitchenella
    Kitchenella Member Posts: 279
    edited February 2012

    Re: Taxol and neulesta. I'm guessing those on DD Taxol might be getting neulesta but those on 12 weekly regimin would not because the dose is less per week?

    Peggy 

  • Kitchenella
    Kitchenella Member Posts: 279
    edited February 2012

    My youngest daughter came to visit for a week.  She got in from a 21 hour trip at 4:30 AM.  She was up at 6:30 to go with me to my PT appointment.  Good news there.  PT said my Lympoedema is very mild.  I just have to do some exercises and massage myself at home.  I'll see her in 6 weeks and if it not worse I won't have to go back.

    Today my daughter are going to the Kotel (Western wailing wall)   in Jerusalem. I will offer a prayer for all you gals. Then having lunch out and visiting her sister.  I'm so pumped.  

    Peggy 

  • Janetanned
    Janetanned Member Posts: 532
    edited February 2012

    Peggy - Have a wonderful time!  And please, all prayers are welcome! What better place to offer them!

  • WaveWhisperer
    WaveWhisperer Member Posts: 898
    edited February 2012

    NancyHB, hot flashes are a pretty common side effect, and I've had some doozies while on chemo. These hot flashes are far worse than those I experienced when I went through menopause. Part of the reason mine might be so bad is that I had been on hormone replacement therapy after menopause and I had to stop those cold-turkey the day I got my diagnosis of BC.

    The night sweats have been especially annoying. I've gotten so I lay out a fresh set of pj's every night, with a towel, so if I wake up soaked, I can walk into the bathroom, wipe off with the towel, put on fresh pj's and get back into bed without turning on a light, almost without even opening my eyes.

    A nurse told me that some foods and drinks exacerbate the hot flashes, including red wine and chocolate, which had been two of my favorite vices. I've cut out both, and it does help some. 

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited February 2012

    Peggy:  Have a wonderful time with your daughter, and I hope you both find some time to relax and enjoy each other's company outside of all of the "things" we have to do to care for ourselves.

    I have to do the Neulasta shots as part of the clinical trial I'm involved in.  Had I been randomized into the 12 weekly Taxol, no Neulasta.  The six dose-dense Taxols require the Neulasta.  The protocol is very rigid (understandably so) so I'm curious to know why no steroids.  I'll call my nurse and ask her - she's so incredibly helpful and kind and I feel like I get important information in a manner I can understand.

    Today is the first day I can honestly say I don't think I can go to work (but, of course, I have to).  No fever, but I feel like I've been hit by a bus.  Everything hurts and aches, I have no energy, and all I can do is cry.  And I have an hour drive to work.  And now I'm whining - I'm sorry.  :-)  I'm just so over all of this crap.  I hope everyone has a wonderful, productive, happy and feel-good day!!

  • NCbeachgal
    NCbeachgal Member Posts: 181
    edited February 2012

    NancyHB-I'm so sorry you have to work today. Take it slow and maybe you can knock off a bit early.



    For me, today is treatment #4, last of The AC and it marks my half way point. All good stuff but I dread it so bad. Treatment 3 was kinda rough and I only started to feel human this past Saturday. The side effects were varied, some mild, some not. The worst thing going right now is the hemorrhoids that accompanied the constipation of treatment 2. They won't go away! The constipation is being managed with additional fiber in my diet, but all that fiber has to make it past those hemorrhoid. OUCH! I've tried Prep H sup and ointment, Anucort RX, tucks pads, acupuncture. My next call is to my GI doc but I don't want to do anything that could possibly delay treatment. Any suggestionts?



    Good day to everyone!

  • BelaT
    BelaT Member Posts: 217
    edited February 2012

    I have been away for few days. Congrats to every one who is passed 10 days of 3rd AC 

    Gardnter, congrats on finishin AC , woohoo.

    Thanks.

    My 3rd AC is thursday.:( 

  • BelaT
    BelaT Member Posts: 217
    edited February 2012

    NC-beachgal,

    Good luck with you 4th AC , regarding constipations and hemrroids not much to guide you but I would say soft diet few days before and after helps.

    Thanks Hugs Bela 

  • Gayle56
    Gayle56 Member Posts: 277
    edited February 2012

    Kitchenella  -  Enjoy yoru visit with your daughters.  We all appreciate the prayers at the Western Wall.

     Nancy -  Sorry you are not feeling well.  Maybe it will ease up as the day goes on.

     NCbeachgal -  Hope today goes well.  Being at the halfway point is great - downhill now!!!

    Gayle

  • denjak
    denjak Member Posts: 36
    edited February 2012

    Hello All:

    Haven't posted since after my reconstruction. Tomorrow is #4 AC!! NCbeachgal you and I are on the same track! It has been hell. Like Nancy HB, I too have been trying to work through this and that goodness for my coworkers getting me through the mess. This is the halfway point. Now I have Taxol to look forward to.......

    I too tried to take a trip after #3AC....I didn't drive, didn't walk a lot...still, it was the dumbest idea I have ever had...I was a sack of coal.

    I wish there was a way to know that any lingering cancer is gone. Between the chemo and the antibiotics ( I had an infection in my implants...hospitalized, IVs...not good)  How can anything be alive inside?

    Hugs to all. We will get through this together. Somethings one minute at a time.....

  • CharB22
    CharB22 Member Posts: 310
    edited February 2012

    Congrats to everyone who made it past #3. I found that to be really rough. No particular SE, just the overall sick feeling. I have #4 on Thurs and dread it - although it marks my half way point through this hell. I've been crying off and on all morning. My mom is here cleaning for me while I work from home, and I broke down and just hugged her for a while. I'm very lucky to have her -- she's 78 and amazing! I better go take a Xanax so I can function today. Ugh. I hate this F-ing disease!

  • BelaT
    BelaT Member Posts: 217
    edited February 2012

    CharB22, 

    Awee, I hope I can make you feel better some how. I wish I knew. Atleast your mom is there :) I know tho' what you mean about crying and xanax and hating this F***ing disease unfortunately I am in same boat.

    HUGS.

    Bela.

    I will pray you breeze thro' it  

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited February 2012

    NCbeachgal:  I dealt with the hemorrhoids after my last AC treatment - I could barely sit down.  Miralax and Dulcolax helped; I also drank more water than I ever thought possible (I'm drinking naturally-flavored carbonated water from Kroger and Faygo - no calories but the flavor makes it so much easier to drink mass quantities).  I also used Prep H and Tucks pads, and tried not to sit for too long.  It took about five days but they're much better now.  I hope you feel better soon.

    My fever hit 100, so I came home from work and am now going to bed to take a nap.  100.5 is that magic number so I'm hoping and praying this is as bad as it gets.  God give me strength to get through the next few days - Day 10 is just around the corner!!!

    *hugs* to you all

  • annie3310
    annie3310 Member Posts: 111
    edited February 2012

    Hi, everyone. I had my friend use his clippers to shave my head as close to the scalp as possible today, thinking my partner could just shave the stubble off later. We approached it like shaving legs, or something, having no idea that shaving the scalp is somewhat of an art form. Luckily, we didn't hack up my scalp. Tomorrow I'll be visiting a barber.



    Today I also had a power port put in. It feels weird, but uneventful so far. Tomorrow I'll test it out when I get A/C #3, which I'm dreading. I've felt good the last three days after a fairly tough period following #2. Not looking forward to more of the same, if not worse. Honestly, I don't know how people with 'regular' jobs do it. I'm a real estate agent and I'm ending up shifting my work to other agents. I just can't reliably be well enough to be there for my clients. I really admire you, 'cause I don't think it's that you're feeling any better than me.

    Annie

  • NCbeachgal
    NCbeachgal Member Posts: 181
    edited February 2012

    Thanks for the encouraging words NancyHB. I hope you feel better soon. I'm sorry you're going through this. I hate it for all of us.

  • Shell-Seeker
    Shell-Seeker Member Posts: 49
    edited February 2012

    Just checking in on everyone.

    It seems I have also had the chemo blues and just didnt feel like doing anything. Even getting on the computer made me nauseas.

    Im also hating being bald at the moment. I made more scarves last week and now it makes me sick to look at them too. haha It seems my mind is connecting the sick feeling to what I was doing last week after treatment.

    forget thinking about the chemo lounge. UGH!!! Just the thought and I could puke. I guess # 3 just made me more sick but in reality I know it could be so much worse.

    I also was very foggy headed and depressed but that seems to be lifting now.

    I was just feeling like I was in some other world and wouldnt be able to function again and the what if it comes back and this is forever?

    I sat down and read God's word and prayed and decided just to let go and trust him and to remember this will pass and it did. Today was much better. Hopefully I will remember next treatment that the bad feelings will pass and just to allow myself to rest and not try to think too much.

    Hang in there everyone.

    I remember when we were on page one and waiting for out first treatment and here we are almost half way through. We arfe on page 44 now. We have come a long way baby!!! We will make it through.

  • Kite
    Kite Member Posts: 265
    edited February 2012

    CHEMO SUCKS! Ok, had to say that and I know everyone in my life is sick of me saying it.

    Was hospitalized for low platelets that were partly caused by a period that about killed me. I hemmorraged and lost a lot of blood. Now I couldnt do my #3 because my transfusion didn't create enough platelets. Blah! And my TE has "settled" (that's what my PS said) So the right one looks a whole cup size smaller. Not to mention my bald head is all splotchy. I just am sick of it. I wear caps all the time never my wigs. Maybe I'll start wearing them more later down the line. This too shall pass. 

    AHH.. Ok gripe fest done. I really am doing just fine.. the good days are great and the bad days suck. My kids are doing wonderfully and that means so much to me. 

    I hope everyone else is doing well. I am so far behind it was impossible to keep up with everyone. I'll go back and read some more. I just really needed to vent. Thanks for letting me

  • BelaT
    BelaT Member Posts: 217
    edited February 2012

    annie, luck with your 3rd. I will keep you in thoughts.

    shellseeker, I am depressed too. no hair and just consumed by this forever is killing me to tell you the truth.you are done with hardest #3 so congrats, now it will be easy I have heard.

    Kite,I am glad we have here to vent. vent all you want. hope all gets better soon. I hate being bald. and kids doing good is biggest relief.

    Bela

    HUGs 

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited February 2012

    After reading back over our posts the last couple of weeks, I started talking with my husband last night about how I've been feeling (he's a counselor - thank goodness for free therapy).  It occurred to me that so much of what I feel with regards to this - treatment, the infusion room, the waiting room, my hats, my scarves, food, even my f****ing robe (which I wear after treatment) is almost PTSD-like.  And he agreed that it's possible and even likely that there is an element of that in all of this.  It's not like a one-time event for us, either - say, a horrific car accident that we relive over and over in our minds - but rather a repeated event that we actively participate in (we chose to go to treatment).  We can't get away from our experience.

    Anyway, I was being over-analytical last night, I guess.  I've been sick for a couple of days and just really so damned out of sorts that all my anger is finally coming forward (I haven't really been too angry up until now).  And my fears of what could come next aren't helping, either.

    There was an article in my local paper about a 37-year-old mom of two who passed away this week after a 10-year battle with Stage IV BC.  Everyone talked about how she never complained, how positive and upbeat she always was, how she was an inspiration to those around her - and I started to feel guilty for being angry and tired and hating this shit.  

    Guess I need to work on my Five Stages of Grief a little more, eh?  Sorry for the rant...

  • BelaT
    BelaT Member Posts: 217
    edited February 2012

    NancyHB ,

    Hugs, I know it feels like a crap. Hopefully anger will help you same as this rant too.

    Bela 

  • Lumpynme
    Lumpynme Member Posts: 747
    edited February 2012

    nancy...you are being honest. that is one of the first things i really liked about you! say what you mean to say.....my angers are starting to finally surface, i feel guilty when i whine about anything...i hate this shit; but i found some gratitude yesterday--if someone in my family had to be the first to have bc i am glad that God chose me;i am probably the strongest of my children and my siblings and will be able to use this to my advantage later in my work..and i would be devastated to helplessly  watch one of my children go thru this..so if it had to happen,thank you , God, for it being me.

    i agree about the PTSD...jmho...

    gotta run; had to check in

    here's a big hug!

  • Gayle56
    Gayle56 Member Posts: 277
    edited February 2012

    As bad as BC is there are way worse cancers one can  get. So as angry as I am that I have to go through all of this I am grateful that it wasn't a cancer that can't be treated.  I figure as long as they can catch it early, cut it out and treat it it will be ok. 

     Lumpynme -  I am with you on being glad this was me and not one of my kids or siblings.  I certainly am better able to handle this than any of them would be.

     NancyHB - It can be very disheartening when you read or hear about other people losing the battle or having reoccurences but everyones case is different. But you are entitled to your whining and your anger and do not apologize for it.   My 13 y.o. is quick to point out every time she hears of someone or reads of someone getting cancer, dying of cancer, etc.  I get very angry that she has to have this on her shoulders now.  But I believe that the support at home, with friends and most of all you wonderful ladies that understand what we each are feeling will help us get through this and come out stronger on the other side.

  • CharB22
    CharB22 Member Posts: 310
    edited February 2012

    It seems like those of use who have had #3 are having the same crapping feelings - emotional and physical.  {{HUGS}} to us all!! We will get through this. It sucks, but I have to keep reminding myself that #4 tomorrow marks my half way point!!

    I actually made it into work today, although the commute (2 trains and a trolley ride) was exhausting! And taped to my desk was something I printed out when I was first diagnosed:

    STOP being afraid of what could go wrong and think of what could go right.

    I need to keep reminding myself of that. Today is a beautiful day out here on the east coast - almost spring - 57 degrees and sunny. I'm going to take a short walk at lunch and soak up some Vitamin D and some city smells - hot dog carts, etc.

    I was at the American Cancer Society's Look Good, Feel Better program and got a makeover and lots of nice (and expensive) makeup. I actually did feel better, and this morning applied some makeup and my wig. I said to my 11 year old as we headed to the bus stop, "Do I look like mom again?" He hugged me and said, "yeah, you do." That just made my day!

    We will get through this girls!!

  • NCbeachgal
    NCbeachgal Member Posts: 181
    edited February 2012

    Nancy HB- people call me an inspiration and remark about how good I look and how strong I am. They remark about my positive attitude. Well, that's either my mask or I only allow contact on those good days. I also believe that when people see us "high-functiong"( HA!) BC patients, they are going through their own possible reactions should they be struck with disease.

    What I'm saying is that you can't feel bad about feeling bad or making associations with these new rituals that have been put upon us. I hate every minute of every appointment. Sure, I have a great cancer center with a very caring and professional staff of lab, nurses and providers and that helps my attitude some. There are so many things I hate-being sick, being constipated, having roids, being bald, spending money on OTC meds and head coverings ( no matter how lovely-I'd rather be having my hair highlighted and buying hair products).


    I know I can vent here. The outside world is more comfortable with the person who puts on the brave cancer face because the reality is too much for them to care about or simply process in the 10 minutes of uncomfortable contact they typically have with us.

    That's my ramble-I hope in some way, it helps.

    Angie

  • riceandbean
    riceandbean Member Posts: 25
    edited February 2012

    Questions?

     1)  Do any of you flavor your water?  What do you use?  Anything with natural sweeteners and no sugars?  My wife is having some issues with water tasting disgusting...and we need her to drink more to flush her system good.

    2)  Fog and curtains...this is how my wife describes her head.  She can't seem to find her way out after tx #2 and wonders if she will ever be normal again.  Have any of you noted a "magical day" when the fog and curtains lift?  During my wife's first tx it seemed to be day 7, but her head has not cleared yet after tx #2.

    Thank you for all of the help and patience in advance!

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