The FDA and drug companies: Must read

Ltothek wrote:

"  looks like over 60 has possible toxicity" and "there is a lot of mixed reports on anti-oxidants and their possible support of cancer, as well as good cells"

Could you substantiate these claims please, thanks

Tucker, a few sordid "details", if I may: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/orac_h.html

Science Based Medicine is a front for the pharmaceutical industry with paid doctors writing articles of deception.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8618-31727_162-20049118.html?assetTypeId=41&messageId=10609340&blogId=10391695#ixzz1mQSQxSNd

David Gorski's Financial Pharma Ties: What He Didn't Tell You

http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/06/david-gorskis-financial-pharma-ties-what-he-didnt-tell-you.html

« For those of you who don't know, Dr. David Gorski is a Doctor and a blogger who posts under the pseudonym "Orac."

Dr. Gorski is actually a medical doctor. He should hold himself, as most doctors do, to a higher standard of professional communication and conduct. How many other doctors use satire, invective, and ridicule in a public domain against parents and other medical professionals? Yes, his equally wildly immature and idiotic commentators on his blog eat it up, but in the realm of how doctors can and should conduct themselves, Dr. Gorski is an adolescent f**k-up. At the end of the day, I'm the father of a special needs and damaged child, and Dr. Gorski's willingness to treat me with the utmost disdain, ridicule, and mean-spirited satire is reflective of the worst parts of the medical culture, of which Dr. Gorski is a shining example.

Which leads me to my second point about Dr. Gorski's unique brand of moronism, which is what an over-inflated caricature Dr. Gorski's alter-ego Orac has become of everything we hate about doctors. The medical school culture, which reminds aspiring doctors at every turn how much smarter they are than the rest of the world, takes hold in different doctors in different ways. For those with a strong sense of personal character, being a doctor can be a humbling experience because of the power you have to do good (or bad) and the influence you have in how people think, and ultimately whether they live or die. For others, with an absence of internal character, the arrogance can consume them, and they walk through the world expecting to be never challenged, and thinking they are always right."

http://www.whale.to/v/dr_david_gorski.html

« When David Gorski is brought into any matter,  the story changes. This ************ ***** should be the farthest away a possible from human beings. He is a known carcinogen. He claims to practice "science-based medicine" when in fact it is "ego-based medicine"....He is an odious, ignorant, arrogant egomaniac digging his own grave »

http://donthategcdaz.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/internet-medicine-up-in-arms-while-young-woman-suffers/

Dr. David Gorski: King of the Quack's

«  If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and smells like a duck, it's probably David Gorski, M.D., PhD.

Gorski is a medical doctor and blogger who casts aspersions on the work of others by selectively choosing data and research that supports his positions, ignoring those that don't, while simultaneously attempting to hide behind the anonymity of his screen name ‘Orac' 

http://utahfeldenkrais.org/blog/2009/08/dr-david-gorski-king-of-the-quacks/

Orac the Nipple Ripper...

http://www.bolenreport.com/feature_articles/feature_article086.htm

That would be nice, Mods!! However, there are some folks here who claim to have no ego - yet it precedes them. I have one person claiming they never said Gorski was a fan of CAM - yet this is what that person said and I quote: 

"Here Tuckertwo, I'll make it easy for you:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/editorial-staff/david-h-gorski-md-phd-managing-editor/

David Gorski has no experience in CAM? I don't know any authority more experienced in CAM  than him."

This is a confused person!! They don't know what they think.

I think the public needs to stay aware of the FDA's antics. This thread will not be obsfucated from its original intent. 

I was cautioned a week ago or so that this thread would be pulled because this site is sponsored by drug companies. I think there are factions here who are delibrately trying to muddle basic information (the usual bait and switch tactics so popular in the US).

Here's a mind bender for your naysayers - I am a dual citizen. Translation: US and Canadian. I was born in the US. Unfortunately. However, it's given me a unique perspective on Canadian and US health systems and method of delivery. While I am not saying our system is perfect, I prefer it over what people are stuck with in the States. I'm not losing my home because of medical expenses. Also, we don't have an FDA. We have Health Canada.  Do I trust the FDA? Do I think there are backroom deals going on between them and the drug companies? YES. That is not paranoia, that is fact. Anyone who can't see that is in denial. Back in the 1930's, the FDA ok'd a drug known as DES or diethystilbestrol, a synthetic estrogen to 'help prevent miscarriages'. It did no such thing, but in the early 1970's, girls born from women who had taken DES developed rare vaginal cancers. Some died as young as 15. This is all documented, google it. Then malformed reproductive issues started appearing, all from DES. Now, the court has determined after extensive evidence that DES is responsible for breast cancer in women over 40 - triple the chance over non exposed women. Thanks to the inattention/under the table deal/whatever, I have all the problems associated with DES, including breast cancer. Thanks to Eli Lilly and hundreds of other drug manufacturers for marketing this drug to the masses. It is estimated that millions of women were given DES until the 1970's and some never knew it. Did the drug companies know it was a dangerous drug? Yes. The FDA told them to quit adding DES to animal feed - but it was ok to continue to give it to women.  I already have a topic about DES on this site. I am merely pointing out the real dangers of the FDA's ignorance and blatant disregard of safety in favor of pushing a drug onto the public they KNEW was not safe. If you google unsafe drugs, you'll be surprised at how many come up. Some have outright killed people.

If some of you can't see the danger of restricting safe herbal supplements, yet allowing lethal drugs on the market in the name of money, well - what can I say? It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that of course there is an unholy alliance between the docs/pharmas/FDA. It isn't conspiracy theory, it's fact.

Thank you mods, and I hope those with either chemo brain or anger issues will go elsewhere.

tucker

Bribery?

http://www.naturalnews.com/bribery.html

Surely not

tucker

I have some questions that I think belong on this thread. 

Since there is some push for the FDA to more aggressively regulate dietary supplements, does anyone know how many people have died or become seriously ill during a given period of time from dietary supplements vs. the number who have died or become seriously ill from the effects of FDA approved drugs during that same time period? 

If there isn't some huge number of people being harmed by those dietary supplements, why would we expand the reach of an agency whose track record of ensuring drug safety is less than stellar?

Food safety is also part of their mission, yet how many people are hospitalized and die yearly because of food poisioning?  Perhaps they should not seek to expand their responsibilities and authority until they do a better job of meeting their current responsibilities?

PatMom wrote:

I have some questions that I think belong on this thread. 

Since there is some push for the FDA to more aggressively regulate dietary supplements, does anyone know how many people have died or become seriously ill during a given period of time from dietary supplements vs. the number who have died or become seriously ill from the effects of FDA approved drugs during that same time period? 

If there isn't some huge number of people being harmed by those dietary supplements, why would we expand the reach of an agency whose track record of ensuring drug safety is less than stellar?

Food safety is also part of their mission, yet how many people are hospitalized and die yearly because of food poisioning?  Perhaps they should not seek to expand their responsibilities and authority until they do a better job of meeting their current responsibilities?

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Good question, Patmom. I will look that up.....and you're right. Seems every year people are sick and/or die from tainted cantalopes or something. What's amazing is that the FDA ok's the ingredients dubbed  'pink slime' in hamburgers at MacDonalds. I wonder what motivates their decisions?

tucker

Tucker makes it up as she goes along and what she dosent make up she gets from bogus quack websites such as natural news.   These are not reputable sources.  Big hint: whenever you see a website that gives you medical advice and tries to sell you books and/or supplements, this is not a reliable site to get medical information.

vivre(Boudeka), just how many identities do you have here? I count 3. You posted that trash before. Some of it is downright vulgar.   Dr. Gorski does not hide the fact that he is Orac.  The only reliable source I saw in your links was the one to CBS news and it's a broken link. What a surprise.

Dr. Gorski(Orac) has written extensively about being slandered by these quacks on the link that I provided.   Some of the worst being from the age of autism, who don't believe in vaccinating their children. The same ones that are recklessly sending  the measles and chicken pox virus through the mail. 

Bolen is the most vulgar out of all of these idiots. He was Hulda Clarks spokesperson.  Hulda Clark was a quack that told the world that she had the cure for cancer.  According to her all cancers were caused by a liver fluke and she sold a zapper "that cured cancer"  Oh yes, it also cured HIV and just about anything else that ails you.  The gullible can and do still buy it today:

http://huldaclarkzappers.com/order/index.php?main_page=shopping_cart

She also had a facility in Mexico where she did bizarre painful barbaric procedures on cancer patients.  Here's one sad story:

http://www.cancertreatmentwatch.org/victims/ponzanelli.shtml

Hulda Clark died a couple of years ago of cancer. Go figure. If there is a hell there is a special place reserved there for Hulda Clark.

Dr Gorski blogged extensively on Hulda Clark and warned the public about her.

Bolen, who was Hulda Clark's right hand man did not like this.  He in turn slandered Dr. Gorski by making sick and vulgar statements, the worst being that he was a pedophile.  That is why Dr. Gorski has a note for his patients who have found him through his blog.  He explains all of this in great detail.  Here it is:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/editorial-staff/david-h-gorski-md-phd-managing-editor/

NOTICE FOR POTENTIAL PATIENTS WHO FIND THIS WEBLOG THROUGH GOOGLE SEARCHES FOR DR. GORSKI: Please note that, through his criticism of pseudoscience and quackery on Usenet, online discussion forums, and blogs over the last decade, Dr. Gorski has managed to anger some supporters of dubious health practices and pseudoscience. As a result, there are a fair number of "alt-med"-friendly bloggers and anti-vaccine activists out there who really, really, really don't like him, even to the point of posting screeds against him, some of which are arguably libelous^{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18},²⁰,¹⁹,²⁰,²¹,²². For example, in 2009 a self-styled "health freedom" activist named Patrick Timothy Bolen decided to attack Dr. Gorski online as well, most likely because of Dr. Gorski's criticism of Suzanne Somers and Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez. Please be aware that Mr. Bolen's history of online personal attacks, harassment, and vacuous legal threats against physicians who publicly stand up for science-based medicine is well-documented^1,2,3,4,5. In April 2011, Bolen threatened to resurrect an old list on which Dr. Gorski's name appears that was circulated by a group of Holocaust deniers and white supremacists about a decade ago to smear those who, along with Dr. Gorski, were heavily involved in combatting online Holocaust denial with the claim that they were pedophiles.

These days, most (but not all) of the intentional poisoning of Dr. Gorski's Google reputation appears to come from the anti-vaccine blog Age of Autism (AoA). The most recent example is a screed by Generation Rescue‘s founder J.B. Handley entitled (in Mr. Handley's usual classy manner) Dr. David Gorski's Unique Brand of Moronism and consisting of a string of vicious ad hominem attacks similar to his previous attacks on journalists. Last year an Age of Autism blogger named Jake Crosby launched a libelous attack on Dr. Gorski that is nothing more than the "pharma shill" gambit and to which Dr. Gorski preemptively replied here. Also note that, as a result of Jake's post, anti-vaccine activists began an e-mail and telephone campaign to the WSU Board of Directors to try to get Dr. Gorski fired from his job or, failing that, to get WSU to stop him from blogging. Fortunately, as a result of this attack, Dr. Gorski discovered that Wayne State University and the Karmanos Cancer Institute are even better places to work than he had realized, as the administrations supported his academic freedom and right to free speech

Vaccinosis sucks too.

Yes, it is disturbing.

What is MORE disturbing is the fact that little research is done on supplements, yet the FDA slams them for being unsafe. Certainly, some supplements are. I'm not naive.  But in general, most supplements are safe and do not cause the side effects that prescription drugs do.

I am disturbed that oncologists do not know, or look into research done, on MCP. Or AHCC.  Or green tea. Many others exist that have potential to help cancer victims. Yet we are told only chemo works. You don't see healthy, researched and proven supplemenents in cancer hospitals, even the food served in cancer wards is cancer causing (too little fresh food and too much salt and sugar). If the FDA is not responsible for this clamp down on no research on herbal supplments that help in cancer care and can reverse cancer in many cases, then who is?

 Gotta go, got a lunch date

tucker