Taxotere is a nightmare
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Eileen, please, always ask your doctor before you take ANY supplement. After you are done with treatment is a different story.
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Eileen - how many chemos do you have to take? And when do you start?
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Hi ladies,
Oh the joys of taxotere
!!! I have been done with treatments for over 3 years now. After the first allergic reaction to taxotere which caused my chest to tighten up after about 10 minutes into infusion, I had to be admitted to the hosp for every infusion so I could be watched. The infusion was extremely slow. It would take about 3-4 hours just to do taxotere, sometimes longer. I had a whole cocktail of cortisones to suppress the reaction, but I still reacted everytime, including the last one. They would give me around 100 mg of benadryl so I was really goofy but it didn't cure the tight feeling in the chest. Of course, with so much benadryl, who cares?
I finished 5.5 session of that crap.
It took me a few years to get over the fatigue. I had carboplatin and herceptin as well. Also my eyebrows and lashes have been slow to grow back in and my hair is a bit thin.
I believe, tho, that Dr. Slamon who invented herceptin, likes to use the TCH regimen (taxotere, carboplatin and herceptin).
All in all, its' doable but I HATE TAXOTERE!!!!!!!! Anyone else have the same reactions?
tucker
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I had a long talk this morning with my MO. We have to come an agreement re:treatment. I will have my first treatment on wednesday as scheduled. If I can not tolerate the side effects she said that I can continue with Herceptin alone. She assures me that TCH is the standard of care for HER2 positive BC. I asked her again about a cure. She told me that my BC is completely curable. She also told me to stay off the computer. I tried to explain to her that I am talking with women who have had this treatment so they know exactly what they are talking about. Again she had an answer. I am so apprehensive but I will try. Thanks for your encouragement and support.
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Survivorwom, 6 treatments of TCH beginning wednesday,. I posted details below.
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Eileen, Wishing you the best of luck with chemo. I hope everything will go well for you.
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Eileen - I will be thinking of you on Wednesday. Hope all goes well. Wishing you the best. Let us know afterwards.
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Eileen - It sounds like you had a good talk with your onc. I think it is a reasonable approach. I don't know why she said to stay off the computer. Oh well, maybe she didn't have a good experience on the computer - ! Hugs to you, we are with you all the way!
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Ladies I am one year out and let me tell you my nails have recovered and all my hair is back. You will get through this. Just be easy on yourself ladies the body is going through a lot of changes.
Lots of love and hugs ladies...
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Thanks Fighter_34.
We need this kind of posts to get us thro this nightmare. I hate that all my hair is gone and my nails on thumbs are turning colors too.
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Eileen- I will be starting 6 TC every 3 weeks with 18 weekly Herceptin followed by a year of Herceptin on Thursday- You will be one day before me. Good Luck. As bad as treatment sounds it sounds better than the "D" word! take care good luck
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Good luck to both Eileenohio and Moonflwr912. EileenO I think your onc is being fare to say that you can stop if it's too much for you. Glad she is giving you the option of just Herceptin just in case you can't handle the chemo. Remember you can quit any time.
Fighter my hair is also back to normal (little more than 1 year PFC). My nails are another issue but I got the rare SE and more serious case of it according to my dermatologist. I see my onc/NP in April so we'll see what she says about it.
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Rachelvc, I am not taking claritin because the pain is not that bad. I am taking tylenol for 1-2 days and that's it. Actually the second round SE are not as bad as the first round . The first round I was scared , I did not dink enough water and I did not take tylenol.
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Hi Veronica-- are you getting the Neulasta shot after chemo?
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Yes, I am. It gives me some pain but I can amage with tylenol. Actually the first time the pain was much worse as the second time around.
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My reaction to Taxotere was not common. Everyone else was in the day room for chemo. Reaction can happen, but my point was - it's doable even if you do have a reaction. The docs can help control any event and watch you closely.
It does take a few years to get back up to speed after tx....I am taking lots of supplements to help with this process and repair my immune system
via a naturopathic oncologist physician, which I highly recommend before, during and after. I am actually doing dragon boat paddling now which I never expected to do when I was in the middle of TCH!!
All the best to you ladies! You'll do fine!
tucker
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How did you get into dragon boat paddling? I had to look up what it was!
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Moonflwr912. Prayers that we both do well,with few to no side effects..You sound calm and ready to go,I on the otherhand am a nervous wreck and terrified. I can not wait until the first one is over.. Best wishes for your treatment to be uneventful. Good luck- I pray a lot .I will add you to my prayer list. Hugs Eileen
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Eileen - You can ask for a bit of ativan in your pre-med drip, it helps to relax you.
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I was also not a fan of the taxotere. I had delayed nausea and eye problems (taxotere is excreted in your tears and can irritate the spots where your lashes fall out) I noticed a few ladies said they had ear discomfort and i also had a bit of that!! But i didn't know it was taxotere related. However-- i finished dec 14 and i feel great. I am just getting started with rads and i wish the best for all of you getting through chemo. Start a countdown calendar-- it really helps. And try to schedule someting fun a few days prior to each tx. It will keep the nerves under control. Also, if you have nausea i recommend ginger tea and ginger candies.
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thanks for the tip on ginger candy. It was hard to find. Finally found it at our local Mustard Seed. I want to be prepared just in case.. I welcome all suggestions.
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Eileenohio you never know what SE you will get and won't. I get terrible nausea with anesthesia. I thought for sure I would have my head in a toilet with chemo but I never got nausea. Did not use one pill of the scripts they gave me except for the Emmend they made me take during chemo (and the day after). They have good meds for nausea too so if you do get it and the drugs don't work ask for others.
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Lago, I have 2 different nausea pills. I start taking 1 pill tomorrow 24 hrs prior to chemo and 1 12 hrs before. I do this tuesday,wednesday & thursday. I start the other nausea on wednesday one pill 3 times a day for five days. That's a lot of pills. That many pills better prevent nausea. We will see. The ginger candy is just in case.. Did you have an appetite after chemo.? I can not afford to lose weight. I went shopping today,bought several frozen dinners,lots of pudding, canned fruit and easy to prepare foods. Someone suggested Gatorade so I bought that too. I want to have things available just in case.
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The first one is Emmend. They made me take that too the night before, day of, night of and morning after. I had 2 other prescriptions for nausea but never took them.
My appetite never changed. I did have taste change early but it was so slight that I didn't realize it at first. I found that pepper, nuts, peanut butter was very bitter tasting. Other than that everything else tasted fine with me. I didn't have the metallic taste either. I was told to eat with plastic utensils if I got metallic taste. Never used them.
I did suck on crushed ice during taxotere because I started to get tongue sores per my oncs recommendation. It doesn't work for everyone but it did work for me. Never had another mouth sore after that. This might also be why I didn't get bad taste issues.
I retained a lot of fluid on chemo. Lots of people do. I found the steroids actually helped me NOT to retain fluid but I was only on those for a few days around infusion time. I did put on weight but took it all off. Most of the weight was fluid.
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Tuckertwo, iti s very discouraging to hear that it took you several YEARS to feel better.
My anticipated lifespan BEFORE the BC diagnosis was less than 10 years, but I got talked into the chemo to "cure" the cancer. Now my quality of life is far worse than it was, and I guess I am just supposed to say "gee, but at least I am alive" but I resent having been "talked into" a treatment that caused me more pain and suffering than the cancer would have. The option that I begged for was tamoxifen only, and I resent everyone who pressured me, telling me "you can do it! You are strong! You are brave!" I continue to be very angry and very biased about this whole thing, so you must take this into consideration when you read one of my posts. The thing that truly angers me is how my MO is/was so nonchalant about the SEs, and telling me it would take "a while" to get better, but not giving me the whole truth that recovery could last the rest of my life and I may never be able to resume my prior activities. I would have preferred one more month of living fully than several years of living in pain and fatigue and all the other "inconveniences".
For those of you who chose chemo willingly, who believe that it gave you the best chance to survive and enjoy life with loved ones, I support you 1000% and you are the ones who benefit most from your choices and you are the ones that can give so much encouragement to others here.
I try so hard to be positive, to respond "I'm fine" when people ask how I am. I know that fear of "letting others down" pushed me to make decisions that I now resent, and it is very tough to let go of my anger at them some days. Most of the time I do the "no woulda, coulda, shoulda" but it is very difficult at some times - today was just one of those bad days.
And it is so true that MANY women have minimal SEs, and the chemo is the best choice if you are going for a cure. The SEs ARE doable. Most women get back to a "new normal" after treatment. Even as I gripe, moan, groan, complain, etc., I find a little improvement over the months, and hope the trend will be in the positive direction.
Eileen, I started at about 97 pounds before first chemo, ended up at 83. Your appetite may be off, and food just doesn't have any taste for several days. Gatorade is a good idea if you are vomiting or have diarrhea. Having frozen dinners on hand is a good idea. Have you talked with a nutritionist? That should have been one of the first things your MO recommended, knowing that you have no support at home and will need some ideas for increasing your protein intake. You need twice as much protein during treatment than normal, which is easier if you are able to eat meat or fish - some people have problems with some foods just not appealing to them. Pudding is a great idea! I added extra dried milk powder to my puddings to boost the calories and protein - taste is questionable, but I wasn't tasting much then anyway! LOL!
I had a hair cutting party about a week after first treatment - decided to be pro-active. Got a "recruit" cut and LOVED IT!!! Am SERIOUSLY considering getting it cut that short again!! I do kind of enjoy the way I can toss my head and feel the hair bounce around my face now, but the short cuts were SO easy to take care of! I used a good body lotion on my scalp when it felt bad. I also tried sunburn lotion with aloe and lidocaine, and it helped a little, but the basic body lotion worked better in my opinion.
And I know why your MO wants you to stay off the computer: it can really increase anxiety as you read about all the "what-ifs." I am such a control freak that I just could not get away from seeking information, especially when I was having such a tough time and getting no reassuring answers, but it is probably better if you trust your docs (I have a huge problem with trust, for reasons I won't go into here - I DO realize most of my docs truly do care and want to to the best for me they can...). So Xanax entered my "as needed" drugs for a while, and I still use one once in a great while. Ask for it if you need it! Ask for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING you need to KEEP YOU COMFORTABLE through treatment. It is available, and the better you can feel during treatment, the better you will feel AFTER treatment.
OK - I have done it again - written a book when I meant to write a few lines.
Prayers for all of you tonight!
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Eileen - Sending good thoughts your way. I'm glad you were able to talk with your MO. It's important to have that sense of trust and let them know that you are doing your own research as well. I understand what she was probably saying about the computer - there's a lot of information of dubious reliability out there, though this board is probably one of the better places to be. And there is a lot of scary info (even on here, because we interact with women who have all stages and stories, and not always what we want to hear). But you seem to be off to a good start. I hope your tx goes well. One other thing to consider for nausea - the sea bands they sell to ward off sea sickness. You never know what combination is going to keep your stomach from acting up.
moonflwr - Best wishes to you, as well!
Veronica - That's great that you've had minimal problems from the Neulasta. I've only had a few days of what I would consider moderate pain - kind of early onset flu achy. I just figure taking the Claritin is an extra safeguard.
Misha - Interesting about the tears. In the past few days, my eyes have been getting irritated, so I need to keep flushing them out with drops I suppose.
I'm heading into #4 on Thursday. Trying to make sure that my schedule is relatively light next week - this past time I was so surprised when I was exhausted on day 6 and 7 that I had meltdowns at work. Nothing like discovering you really aren't Superwoman.... fortunately my colleagues are really supportive (once they stopped asking me to get things done asap, of course!)
Have a good week, all.
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Eileen - ginger tea is also supposed to be good for nausea. I found popsicles, smoothies, all kinds of soup, cottage cheese with fruit - especially melon, to be good for me. I also ate every form of potato, except french fries. Mashed potatoes and baked potatoes, oatmeal and cream of wheat were also good when the taste buds were off. They were bland enough that they were pretty tolerable. This was pretty much for the first week, after that I ate a lot more protein, particularly red meat to boost my hemoglobin.
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Linda, what can I say except ((((HUGS)))).
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Moonflwr912, thanks so much! Most days I handle things pretty well, just today has been especially tough for some reason. I will probably be better by morning. Sorry I got so long-winded.
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Linda-n3ypb shame on your onc. If chemo was so rough s/he should have let you quit or reduced your dose.
Eileenohio does have a good chance at being cured but I don't understand how her doctor infer 100% she will. It's probably more like 96%
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