reaccurance after chemo

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Laylaarruda
Laylaarruda Member Posts: 5

Hi ladies

My sister was diagnosed in October 2011 with triple negative stage two breast cancer. She had lumpectomy, clear margins, no lymph node involvement or vascular invasion according to her pathology report She has finished 3 treatment of chemo and will be having 3 taxotere and then 33 rads. My question is what is her reacurrence  (systemic) rate after chemo? I have heard that it is 30% but I also heard that is only if you don't have the chemo treatment. Does the reaccurance rate drop if you have the chemo?

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  • lrr4993
    lrr4993 Member Posts: 937
    edited February 2012

    I was told 40% reduced to 15% with chemo.

  • Laylaarruda
    Laylaarruda Member Posts: 5
    edited February 2012

    Thank you for your response Lisa.

  • Laylaarruda
    Laylaarruda Member Posts: 5
    edited February 2012

    My sister oncologist/radiologist told her today that she has 7% chance of a local reaccurance after radiation but a 30% systemic reaccurance. This was somewhat shocking to her as she also had heard that chemo would reduce her  systemic reaccurance rate to about 15% from other sources.

  • marinakaplan
    marinakaplan Member Posts: 23
    edited February 2012

    My oncologist told me chance of 10 year survival was 70% with radiation and surgery, and that increasese to 85% with chemo. I'm getting dose dense AC (every 2 weeks for 8 weeks) followed by Taxol every week for 12 weeks. Also enrolled in a Herceptin trial (1year) and I've put myself on a diet and physical activity program. I'm planning on getting metformin too, as extra insurance!!

  • lauraarrudachase
    lauraarrudachase Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2012

    Hi Marina thank you for your response it's very much appreciated. I will relay your message to her.

    I'm curious as why your treatment plan is very different from my sister as she has a similar diagnosis. She is on  cyclophosphamideplus /epirubisin /fluorouracil x3 every 3 wks followed by  taxotere x3 every three weeks.then 33 rads. Why are you having so many cycles of Taxol?

    Also, you are enrolled in a Herceptin trial??? Isn't Herceptin for positives only?

  • lauraarrudachase
    lauraarrudachase Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2012

    Sorry Marina, I changed my user name as I was having problems logging in (still same person).

  • marinakaplan
    marinakaplan Member Posts: 23
    edited February 2012

    Hi Laura, Your sister and I do have such a similar diagnosis! how is she doing?  I always get nervous when I hear about different treatment plans for the same diagnosis, makes one realize this is not an exact science and that's really scary. For our first "phase"  it looks like your sister and I had two similar drugs and it seems like she got one additional drug -- I got cyclophoshame as Cytoxan, I think epirubisin and adriamycin (doxorubisin) may have a somewhat similar mechanism since both are anthracyclin antibiotics (I think) -- I wasn't offered flourouracil - and I'm kinda wishing I did, I feel heck the more they throw at me the more likely something is to work!.   Re the Taxol, I know that Taxol is often administered x6 every two weeks and that's considered an equivalent dose to Taxol x12 every week  -- maybe x3 every three weeks is equivalent - just they give you a much larger dose?

    I'm also getting 33 rads.

    Re. Herceptin, it's FDA approved for HER2 positives, but apparently when they did the clinical trial for the HER2 positives they found some HER2 neutral/negatives had been in their sample due to a lab error (about 25% of the women in the study - seems there was some difficulty reading HER-2 immunohistology!!), anyway the results suggested that about 50% of these HER2 neutral/negative women responded to herceptin, but of course their sample size was too small to be interpreted as significant, so now they are doing a study just on HER2 neutral/negatives. It is fairly controversial and some of the 2nd opinion oncs I talked to were very opposed to it due to the cardiac toxicity associated with Herceptin  -- the study is NASABP B47, it is not blind so you know what group you've been randomly assigned to, and I know that I'm in the treatment arm


    Diagnosis: 10/31/2011, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-

  • LRM216
    LRM216 Member Posts: 2,115
    edited February 2012

    Marina:

    My onc recommended and I went with the 4 Dd A/C and the 4 Taxol (ended up with taxotere after first Taxol due to neuropathy).  Giving the Taxol over 12 weeks came into fashion after I was treated back in early '09, now many oncs so it over 12 weeks (mine still does not - she prefers the heavier dosage x 4). It doesn't really seem to matter from what I have read.  This is one of the most popular types of chemo for triple negs in the U.S.; however, in Canada and other parts of the world, they do somewhat different combos.  Since I have no idea where Layla or her sister are located - that may be the reason why your protocol is different from her sister's. 

  • lauraarrudachase
    lauraarrudachase Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2012

    Hi Marietta thanks for the info...we are from Toronto Canada and yes that is likely the case as to why she is receiving a different combo.

  • lauraarrudachase
    lauraarrudachase Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2012

    Hi Marina

    My sister is doing fine she will begin her first taxol treatment within a week and a half. She has her good days (optomistic) and her bad days where she is afraid of a reaccurance.My sister is an R.N but her diagnosis as well as "brain fog" has kept her immersed in other things and trying to avoid the internet and so forth.  As far as your treatment goes Marietta is correct it depends where you live but I imagine it's all the same. I understand your concern with regards to the different chemo treatments and that is why I was taken back at how much more taxol you were receiving. Look forward to hearing from you and I'm trying to get my sister here because I feel it will help her immensely.

  • marinakaplan
    marinakaplan Member Posts: 23
    edited February 2012

     LRM from Georgia -- hi and thanks for the post, it eased my mind a lot! You seem to be doing well and you are 3 years out! I asked around a lot when I got my treatment plan, and yes the DD AC and Taxol did seem like a very common approach in the USA. I didn't' realize different countries use different protocols.  

    Laura, hi I think it's awesome that you're such a caring sister and doing the research and reaching out for her - everyone needs a sister like you! This site has lots of information and support. I feel a lot like your sister, I mostly have good days where I'm optimistic and energetic, then I have days when I get really really afraid of mets! Usually those down days coincide with my "steriod crash"

  • lauraarrudachase
    lauraarrudachase Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2012

    Hi Marina and thank you for your kind words.

    My sister and I have always been close and I know she would be doing the same If I were in her shoes. She will be having her first dose of Taxotere on Tuesday and is extremely nervous and stressed about it. Does anyone have any comments or words of advice regarding Taxol....I hear the last chemo treatments are hard and I'm not sure if it's because it's Taxotere or  because your immune system is compromised and blood count is lower than when you first started chemo.

  • yellowdoglady
    yellowdoglady Member Posts: 349
    edited February 2012

    Taxotere is the best thing available just now.  I did six rounds of taxotere and cytoxin.  Then 7 weels of radiation.

    It is harsh.  I worried the first or second time that I couldn't manage it.  Then I knew that after a minute you can breathe again and you will stop sweating from all pores.  Taxotere is beastly for about a minute every time.    

  • lauraarrudachase
    lauraarrudachase Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2012

    Thank you yellowdogla, she had her first round of toxotere on Tuesday and two more to go. It wasn't as bad as she had heard but maybe it will hit her in the next day or so...I hope not!!!

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited February 2012

    I have one more taxol left. Did 4 AC over two months. Then 12 weekly ttaxol .



    I was terrified when I started. But when holidays where over I found my inner strength. And started walking. I think this has really helped me. It clears my head. I drink at least 90 oz. of wwater daily.

  • lauraarrudachase
    lauraarrudachase Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2012

    Thanks fredntan, My sister just completed her first round of taxotere and surprisinly she tolerated it pretty well. The first three rounds of chemo were much more difficult in her opinion. The nurses were telling her that the last treatments were the most difficult but as you can see everyone is different. She has two more rounds of taxotere and then will begin her rads. She is also working out and has lost about 10 lbs by changing her diet. She makes her own smoothies with lots of fuits and veggies and plans healthy dinners for her family, no red meats,very little carbs, refrains from alcohol and best of all quit smoking. I have also suggested that she drink Dandelion tea as it has been known to help fight cancer as well. She will start having it after chemo and radiation. Thank you ladies!

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