After the cure

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kira66715
kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

Found this on Gayle Stulik's blog, cited by a woman who recently died from breast cancer:

http://gaylesulik.com/2011/10/11-after-the-cure/11.

"After the Cure"
BY GAYLE SULIK, ON OCTOBER 12TH, 2011


One of my readers emailed me to ask why so little discussion of cancer is focused on morbidity? In epidemiological terms morbidity is typically calculated, either in terms of incidence (i.e., how many people are diagnosed with a disease in a given time period) or prevalence (i.e., how many total people in the population currently have the disease). These are important things to know from a public health standpoint, but my reader is also referring to what it means to live day to day in a disease state- in a chronic, life-changing situation that involves varying degrees of ongoing impairment.

Since her diagnosis, surgery, and chemo-therapy 6 years ago, my reader has had multiple health issues, including fatigue, cognitive impairment (i.e., chemo-brain), and a "sudden" loss of lung function. Yet she tells me that none of her physicians will acknowledge these issues as "the sequelae of treatment." Similarly, a friend of hers developed leukemia after being treated with chemotherapy. Leukemia has been linked to the use of several chemotherapy drugs for breast cancer. Her friend's early onset symptoms of leukemia were dismissed as "depression," and she has since died. The experiences of these two women reveal what can occur in between "survivorship" and death from disease.

The book, "After the Cure: The Untold Stories of Breast Cancer Survivors," by medical historian Emily Abel and medical sociologist Saskia Subramanian captures the spectrum of long-term post-treatment side effects that health practitioners often fail to acknowledge or address. Abel and Subramanian interviewed 74 women who discuss the physical symptoms and emotional realities resulting not only from treatment but from the cocktail of drugs used to mitigate the side effects of those treatments. They experienced debilitating fatigue, weakness, nerve damage, pain, memory loss and/or inability to concentrate (i.e., chemo-brain), insomnia, lymphedema, headaches, arthritis, loss of sex drive, and other symptoms. "The accumulation of diverse symptoms often gave women the sense that their bodies and minds were falling apart." Is this what "beating cancer" looks like?

Contrary to the images and stories of triumphant survivorship, the side effects these women experienced fundamentally changed the quality of their lives. What's more, when they sought help they usually didn't get it. Practitioners would interpret complaints in terms of the cancer itself (i.e., always testing for the presence of cancer or its progression instead of also considering that the problems may stem from something else, including the treatment). One woman said it was like, "Okay we saved your life, now leave us the hell alone." The trope of triumphant survivorship also played a role as it too elevated the importance of "beating" the cancer, while also prioritizing attitude over the physical and emotional realities of the disease. Without getting to the bottom of physical difficulties, women were told to seek counseling, take medication for depression, or simply, "Get back out there and get back to life."

In addition to the voicelessness and feelings of isolation, what stands out to me in this book were the stories of narrowed lives. The experiences shared in "After the Cure" are not "uniformly bleak" and do include elements of personal transformation when people learn to accept their vulnerability. Yet many women had to withdraw from work and social activities and surrender all physically strenuous activities while also dealing with the burden of medical appointments, medical bills, insurance issues, altered relationships, and the physical and emotional side effects of treatment. None of these life changes were expected. They thought they would get treatment and then get back to normal. While some women had no choice but to keep working and providing family care during their treatments, others were not able to so because of the ongoing side effects.

There is little systematic research about lingering or latent side effects after treatment, and there is little information given to patients about these issues. While some major cancer centers have survivorship programs for people after treatment, the majority of people receive treatment in communities without these resources. A recent article in The Wall Street Journal reports that, "Patients feel like they are walking out of active treatment and walking off a cliff." Why might this be the case? Abel and Subramanian conclude:

"Living in a society that expects everyone to overcome any adversity, many survivors felt intense shame about lingering health problems. Consequently, some neither asserted their rights to accommodations at work nor demanded adequate support at home. Expectations of cure also produce a deep current of suspicion about chronic health problems."

The stories of triumphant survivorship that pervade the culture obscure the complicated realities of life with cancer and life after treatment. These too need to be realized, communicated, and addressed.

The 74 women interviewed in "After the Cure" had no evidence of disease (NED) at the time of the interviews. Twelve of the women developed recurrences since then. The study was funded in part by Susan G. Komen for the Cure.

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  • kcshreve
    kcshreve Member Posts: 1,148
    edited February 2012

    This kind of goes along with the "Brightsided" book about the emphasis that we cancer survivors/patients must "stay positive" then disallows our very real feelings and struggles through the process.  I'm glad someone is speaking up.

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited February 2012

    So very true and so sad...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

    Kcshreve -Yes, exactly. Unfortunately, magical thinking won't make all these side effects go away, and sometimes it's absolutely appropriate to be pissed off and sad. Kira often quotes a social worker who suggested that BC patients are actually asked to be more positive than a healthy person, which is quite cruel.

  • Lynn18
    Lynn18 Member Posts: 416
    edited February 2012

    Wow.  All of these issues to deal with, in addition to the mental torture of wondering whether it will come back.  This is a good topic to discuss.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited February 2012

    Tina, I used that quote when I lectured to the medical students last week: they have an oncology elective and their advisor brought in a string of patients who said "cancer is a blessing" and then they got me...

    And I had all sorts of issues with Komen, and a day later Komen was all over the news. 

    The students were very appreciative: half the lecture was on LE, and they'd NEVER heard of it.

    The quote says that being forced to be positive serves everyone except the patient.

    I told them I'm not trying to track negatives, just share my reality.

    Kira

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited February 2012

    Kc, Tina and Kira, so well said.  It seems everyone wants to see us back to our old self again.  If only they knew how much we want that too.  "Cancer being a blessing" is a concept that always pulls my chain.

    S.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited February 2012

    Sharon, I was driving with my husband, and there's this huge billboard, by the place where my oncologist works, and there's a photo of a man and it says:

    "When you've beaten cancer, it's hard to have a bad day."

    Well, I went ballistic--"beaten"??? and how does that innoculate you against personal sorrow or the reality of the fact that you have been diagnosed with a life threatening disease!

    Do we ask people with heart disease to consider their heart attacks a blessing, and after their stents or bypass surgeries, have they beaten it, and do they have to be upbeat all the time? How about survivors of strokes?

    Can you tell I'm on a rant her, but that was egregious. I had no idea that I have to be cheerful when I see my onc, who has had her own bout with bc.

    The last two photos of my lecture: before--before: me riding my horse with a normal hand, and wearing my wedding rings, then "the new normal"--unfortunately my horse died, and I'm hiking in a beautiful spot, but the close up shows my glove....

    Kira

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited February 2012

    Who sponsored that billboard?  (Surely not the place where your onc. works.)  That's a post for the 'Dumbest things people say" thread.

    Every time I see pink on things I see RED and my DH hears a string of expletives coming out of my 'sweet' mouth.  Poor man, I know he doesn't quite get it but after all these years he's learned to pretend he does. ;)

  • sushanna1
    sushanna1 Member Posts: 764
    edited February 2012

    Just lost my first attempt at a response.  Not sure whether it was the netbook, the connection or the residual neuropathy in my finger tips. 

    Kira, Sharon, Tina, et al.  Thanks for saying what needs to be said.  Cancer did not make me a better person.  I am not grateful for the experience.  It did not help me find God, wisdom or inner peace.  While I am glad to be alive, I am not cured and probably never will be.  It's been 10 years and I, like many of you, am still dealing with side effects.  I am not a hypochondriac.  This is reality.  

    Kira--Keep on ranting. 

    Sue

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited February 2012

    This reminded me of an interview I heard on NPR this morning, with a woman who lived in a Mumbai slum for three years, then wrote a book about the people there.  She mentioned how a lot of time journalists approach subject matter like hers by finding some organziation to profile and then asking for a couple of success stories that they can interview.  So we get skewed pictures, in that case of the prospects of a life in a Mumbai slum.  

    A lot of the written materials aimed at patients do the same thing.  Someone cherry picks a few people doing especially well for their article.  Or someone famous doing well.  People don't see the real side.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited February 2012

    Is that why the happy photo of Sheryl Crow that is right in my face, every time I log in, doesn't comfort me?

    And I've noticed that bc.org has stopped doing their "ask the expert" panels, but I can buy an inspirational DVD with celebrities conquering their cancer.

    I know these are tough economic times, but I prefer facts and real assistance with the reality of my new normal, not a group of celebrity women sharing their stories of triumph.

    Kira 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

    Kira, I have been annoyed with the smiling Sheryl Crow pic for several days!!! It occurred to me I don't know anything about her experience and that she may have something insightful to say. However, it still represents a picture of BC that isn't real to me. I just want to know what the "average" kind of recovery looks like. I want to know what is realistic to expect for someone with LE. Movie star pics are unrealistic images for HEALTHY women to measure themself by. What does this mean for women recovering from BC and with LE and other side effects of treatment? 

    Outfield, that is an excellent point. Actually, in her book, Bright-Sided, Barbara Ehrenreich talks about the kind of studies and articles that are given attention. From the book:

    "But the results that go out to the public through the media tend to be spun toward the positive effects of positive emotions on health. Partly, this represents a long-standing media bias away from "null results": a study finding, for example, that there is no sex difference in the ability to sprint or solve quadratic equations is likely to be judged less newsworthy than a study reporting that one sex left the other in the dust. In the case of positive psychology, a 2002 New York Times article cited two studies linking optimism to longevity -- and four studies tracing longevity to such other traits as 'conscientiousness', calmness, pessimism, and even cantankerousness. Yet the article was headlined 'Power of Positive Thinking Extends, It Seems, to Aging." 

    Guess that's why there aren't many pics of post-menopausal women who are slightly overweight, wearing a LE sleeve and gauntlet, sitting at a computer and the headline, "Woman with BC has mastectomy, develops LE and goes back to work but no longer can perform all household chores." Or, a pic of same woman wearing workout clothes and the caption, "Excited to lift 3 lb weights after developing LE from BC surgery!"

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited February 2012

    I guess I've never noticed bright-siding as much as now that it's me being misrepresented. 

    I have nothing against Sheryl Crow, but yes her smiling picture bugs me too.  I was diagnosed at Stage III, I have lymphedema and a restrictive cord in my axilla, I don't even bother to mention to anybody the neuropathic pain across my chest and in my arm.   

    People look at me and think I'm healthy.  Somebody I didn't know at all said that to me in an off-hand way yesterday.  So maybe I'd be a good poster child.  I'm back at work full time, I'm trying to keep playing some sports, trying to stay active.  Generally life is good.  But beyond what I "went through." there's a lot I carry with me and probably always will, not the lesat of  which is that constant knowledge that I had a cancer that may come back and kill me before I'm ready. 

    I am glad I don't feel "intense shame."  Mainly, I feel angry when I see this cheery stuff.

  • sushanna1
    sushanna1 Member Posts: 764
    edited February 2012

    Using a beautiful celebrity aka Cheryl Crowe to try to sell us something "inspirational" bugs me too. I agree with Kira that times are tough, but it's a long way from Ask the Experts to Cheryl Crowe hawking dvd's for the cause.  

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited February 2012

    Nancy, it is widespread, and Sherly Crow is in my face again, and her reality and mine bear no resemblance to each other--or what her projected public reality is....

    I agree with Tina, rather than images of bald women fighting during active treatment, or gorgeous celebrities who have triumphed: report the honest truth.

    Show a menopausal, slightly overweight woman who has a compression sleeve and neuropathy and scars and has to live with this new reality every day, and isn't thankful for it, but perservers as best she can. 

    And, bring back the experts and get rid of the inaccurate blog and the celebrities.

    Kira

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited February 2012

    The real face of breast cancer, our reality, isn't likely to raise much in the way of donations.  I always get a kick out of the pictures on lymphedema web sites of the lovely young women with thin limbs wearing compression garments and looking like a million dollars.  Somehow my sleeve doesn't make me look very glamorous at all.  Breast cancer is ugly but for the sake of the almighty dollar, the powers to be seem to be always prettying it up. 

    S.

    P.S. and STILL when I do a spell check of my post it indicates I've misspelled lymphedema.  It is unable to offer me the supposedly correct spelling.

  • lionessdoe
    lionessdoe Member Posts: 780
    edited February 2012

    Wow ......... Thanks! Buying book tonight!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

     Can't believe I just found this video. Powerful, honest and courageous!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZwpSwm_4as

  • bingbing
    bingbing Member Posts: 82
    edited February 2012

    OMG I just watched that you tube video. I LOVE it. An honest to God woman, not a movie star and I agree Powerful, Honest and Courageous. No sugar coating there, just the real feelings of a cancer survivor.Thanks  Tina very much     Sharon

  • Zoe-Lily
    Zoe-Lily Member Posts: 85
    edited February 2012

     Incredible , very powerful indeed. Thanks for sharing Tina.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2012

    Yep, I have already encountered the "we saved your life, so what more do you want?" attitude.

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 4,562
    edited February 2012

    Great video thanks for posting.

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited February 2012

    I really appreciate this topic and all of the posts. There is a whole world after cancer, and I often find I don't know my way around.

    Bras seem to be a mystery, foobs as well, doctor visits I don't even know what to ask any more..

     It just feels so comforting to have a place where we can express ourselves....

  • BoobsinaBox
    BoobsinaBox Member Posts: 550
    edited February 2012

    Thanks, Everyone!  I feel less alone!

    Dawn 

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