Taxotere/Cytoxan starting February 2012.
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Thanks Kim!
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Coldenmom, here's my usual chemo schedule:
9:15 show up at lab for bloodwork, prior to each treatment. I usually don't have to wait.
9:40 appointment with MO. By that time she has the results of the blood work (lab is associated with her group and a floor below). Nurse checks vitals, doc sometimes will do a quick breast exam, talk to me about how I'm feeling, write scripts for meds to help with side effects.
10:00 go to infusion room. The nurses first put in the IV, flush it a bit, then give me an IV of pre-meds (to help with nausea, etc.). All that takes about an hour. Then my first chemo takes an hour, and the second one takes 30 minutes, so I'm usually out of there by 12:30.
Hope that gives you an idea of what to expect, although your labwork and doctor's appointments may be slightly different. Before my first one, my MO said to "count on half a day."
Because of the Benadryl in the pre-meds, I usually come home and nap for 2-3 hours, although I know some women just continue with their regular schedule after chemo -- going out to lunch, shopping, going back to work, whatever....
Silviazara, I think whether or not we get Neulasta routinely, or as needed, may be just the MO's protocol. Or maybe they look at our age and overall health before deciding; maybe younger patients don't get it as routinely as those of us post-menopausal ladies. At any rate, my MO said I could either learn to give them to myself at home or come in the day after treatment. I chose to have the nurse give me the shot!!! (I think each shot is about $3,500; check how your insurance company handles it...)
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Today is day 5 after chemo of T/C. I gave myself a Neulasta shot two days after the treatment (this saves me time from going into the doctor's office and I can get it through my mail order pharmacy for a similar copay). On day 3 I felt tired and achy and this has continued since - not terrible at all, just like a low grade flu. I am generally pretty healthy so I get depressed whenever I don't feel well. That is my main problem now. I am experimenting with different foods that I can stomach - no nausea, but nothing tastes right. I did really well with a tuna fish sandwich at work yesterday - I was CRAVING it. Mostly I just eat small quantitites as I fill up really quickly. I'm looking forward to this first week being over and having a couple of weeks of feeling good before the next round.
I am hoping the doctor reduces my steroids - the pills one day before, day of and day after PLUS in my infusion - it resulted in a 3 day headache and sleeplessness.
Trying to hang in there. It's easier doing it with all of you.
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Hi, everyone! I'm preparing for round 2 tomorrow, so back to the steroids for a couple of days and drinking water like crazy now. This may have been said in this thread before, but be sure to hydrate big time starting the day before TX -- I target at least 3 quarts a day and preferably a gallon of liquids from the day before TX until 2 days after. The idea is to flush the TC out of your system as quickly as possible after TX -- that's why excercise like walking after your infusion helps so much too. And the Cytoxan can irritate your bladder if you're too "dry." Another benefit for us getting IVs each time is that it makes it easier to get a vein.
I must admit that I've felt blue the past couple of days about having to go in again for TX -- I feel normal except for virtually no hair, and worry if I'll do as well the next go round. But I keep telling myself only 9 more weeks now and I can move on toward the rest of my recovery -- the AI pills and completing breast reconstruction.
Best to you all. Ann
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One more thing -- for those of us taking steroids, I saw a tip to take the second one of the day in late afternoon rather than in the evening, as it can help avoid sleeplessness. That worked for me, at least in the first round.
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Hi Ladies,
Six Weeks Post-Surgery today! Feeling GREAT and I am so HAPPY to be back at Boot Camp! I should have went back sooner as it has HELPED me so much mentally!
Neli: I told my Cancer Surgeon last night that I wasn't 100% about Chemo. I couldn't tell him I was because then I felt like I was committed. My MO on our last visit mentioned I had a month to decide and I've kept that in the back of my head. However, she did make an appt. for two weeks just in case I wanted to start before then. Well, two weeks is this Monday. I'm so far so good with sticking to the appt. I know the sooner the better because the sooner it will be over. I made myself drop off the prescriptions yesterday and I made sure I picked them up today. I guess it's reassuring in some sense that I know I could possibly cancel. We can do this!
I keep thinking and picturing the women I know personally who have made it through this and they look and feel amazing now!
ColdenMom: Glad you made an appt. for the dentist! My OBGYN appt. is tomorrow.
momof3boys: Thank you for clarifying on how to take the Claritin. I picked up a box today along with all the other prescriptions. I bought the Claritin Gel-Caps.
WaveWhisperer: Thank you for the detail of your Chemo Schedule!
JoanQuilts: I feel the same way! I'm rarely ever sick!
AnnTop: Got it, LOTS of H20...My MO said exactly what you mentioned about taking the PM dose in the afternoon. She suggested 3-4 O'Clock.
Enjoy the rest of your day...
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I have Compazine, Zofran, Steroids scripts...still in my backpack.
Someone said something about olive oil. How exactly and when do we use it?
Please advice on icing toes and fingers. Do you use ice bags?
About the chemo shopping list what are the basic nessesities?
Biotene for mouth sores?
Any fun hats web sites?
Thank you!
I hope everyone is having a good day!!!
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Neli, the extra-virgin olive oil is supposed to help with the icky taste problem. Some gals actually gargle it and swallow it; I just swish it around in my mouth and spit it out.
As far as icing, I haven't done that and have not had a problem. I think the women who do use small zipper bags of crushed ice.
Yes, I use Biotene twice a day.
As for other stuff, I have to admit I bought way too much, some of which I've never used. If a grocery, drug store or Walmart/Target is close by, you might want to see what your side effects are before going shopping crazy. I, for instance, feared constipation and bought laxatives, stool softeners and suppositories. What I ended up with was diarrhea so bad my MO gave me prescription-strength Immodium and Nexium.
Hope that helps a little.
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Neli
Try the chemo beanies.com website. while I haven't started chemo yet and my short hair is still in place, I lose sleep at night worrying about scarfs and hats and wigs just sliding right off my shiny bald head..I know stupid the things we worry about. Anyway I orderd three caps from chemobeanies and rec'd them yesterday, and I never thought I would say this but I really like them. They are soft, comfy and most important they are fitted so they will not slip off. It is the company of two sisters who had breast cancer and needed nice head wraps.
Ok it is 8 days to TC.....getting the butterflies in my stomach.
Wavewhisperer or anyone else......with the ice chips or frozen peas, do you just stick you fingers in for 2 hours or only when getting a certain part of the transfusion?? Also how do you do the toes???
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WaveWhisper ~ Thank you for the chemo schedule. When I had Hodgkin's Disease I went straight for bloodwork and then infusion. I never had to see by doctor first but now it makes since that you say I'll see my MO because he said to me that he'll see me first thing on the 23rd. I haven't received my schedule yet in the mail from Roswell (our cancer institute here in Buffalo) - my appoitment went so late (7:30pm) all the scheduling staff were gone.
silviazara ~ looks like we will be doing it together on the 23rd.
I had my teeth cleaned today - all is well! My OB/GYN appoitment is next week for my PAP.
Tomorrow I get my first TE fill since my mastectomy - hopefully that won't be too bad. I also have to see the Physical Therapist tomorrow. My range of motion is still not great on my left side. I'm sure it will improve - I'm just a little over 3 weeks from surgery.
Lastly, where do I get the biotene from? I use Aloe but would like to get the biotene in as well.
Hugs to all!
Kelly
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Wow ladies, you are getting ready for chemo like getting ready for the war! Just kidding... . ;-)
I wasn't on any shopping spree before chemo.. I figured I can get it all later on if needed.
I got some free wigs from friends. I am waiting for my hair to fall out to go wig shopping. I also registered for Look good feel better program which will be next Monday. I wonder what helpful tips will I recieve.
I am feeling pretty good and I guess this beautiful Cali weather is helping a lot. My energy is back to normal and most of the time I don't feel nauseous. If I do, a little snack helps. Just like being pregnant...
Now I am only dreading that damn hair to fall out. I am having nightmares about holding handfuls of hair clumps and waking up several times a night. I guess maybe I should shave it off to be in peace with it finally? I thought I would be able to do it, and now I can't bring myself to go to the hairdresser.
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Thank you Mthrdee!!!
I like the chemo beanies too!
Sorry about your butterfies..I can relate...lots of butterfies here too.
hugs
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Thanks WaveWhisper!
I will swish olive oil too!
someone asked about Biotene. You can buy it from www.drugstore.com/Biotene
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Hi everyone!
I will also start TC on feb 15 x 6 cycles.I initially had dcis in 2005 and had a mastectomy. Did not need chemo or radiation at that time, but now I have invasive cancer stage 1 (in the same mastectomy side)and will undergo chemo then radiation and tamoxifen. I'm concerned about loosing my hair since I have always had long hair, but I know this is temporary. Trying to stay positive and looking at all kinds of wigs.
I plan to work out as much as I can during treatments since Im a physical therapist and I understand the benefits of exercise due to cancer related fatigue. It is important to try to stay as active as much as possible because this will decrease the fatigue. It has been proven through research so get moving everyone! -
Hi Ulightup!
Thanks for the tip!
I just started reading "Spark" - investigation into the transformative effects of exercise on the brain by John J. Ratey.
I am motivated to move
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Coldenmom, I was able to find Biotene at either Target or CVS...forget which. But I also order a lot of stuff from drugstore.com, as Neli suggested.
Silviazara, I went to a "Look Good, Feel Better" program on Monday. I won't spoil it for you, but you get a lot of really nice samples of makeup, including brands such as MAC, Estee Lauder, Clinique. The instructors go through each step of putting on make-up, and you make yourself up right there. There also are lots of tips on products to use and not use during treatment, samples of wigs and scarves. It was worthwhile.
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Everyone, I am reporting in after my first chemo last Thursday. The night before I was almost hysterical, but then I came home from work and everyone was organizing our cold cap effort (which is quite an undertaking) and I got busy and calmed down. MO is ok with the cold caps; she is aware of the risk of scalp metastasis, which is low. She also emailed 100 other MOs to see what they are doing vis a vis cold caps but hasn't yet reported back to me.
So, DH and a close friend were my crew. Because we had so much stuff, the chemo facility gave us a private room. DH and friend put the cold cap on and the nurse started premeds. I had a port implanted the day before and the needle was in place, so no stick. (That was nice). I immediately threw up from the steroids (apparently) but the nurse literally ran to get another anti-nausea med and pushed it through asap and I was ok -- just mildly nauseated throughout the treatment. The cold caps kept us busy and kept us laughing. At the end, my friend walked me to the bathroom and all of the other patients looked at me in horror. They were probably all thanking their lucky stars that they weren't suffering from my condition -- I had a huge blue wrap on my head covered with extra bandages -- so I looked like I was recovering from some awful head wound or who knows what. It was funny because I think we cheered everyone else up!
I sucked on popsicles and ice and iced my fingers and toes throughout the treatment. I stayed on Lorazapam for several days because I was nauseated (possibly from the steroids, which I was also taking for several days post-chemo). I got the Neulasta shot the day after chemo and took Claritin the day before and the day of the shot as well as Tylenol on the day of the shot. I had no side effects from the Neulasta until four days later, when I had incredible back pain. I have since learned that I should take the Claritin for four or five days post-injection.
As to energy, I attended my daughters' gymnastics' competition the day after chemo and did ok. I exercised the next three days. Mid-day day 4 I was incredibly tired but still worked out. Days 5 and 6 I just managed to work -- nothing more. I had that incredible aching fatigue that we are warned about. I may have been more tired because both my husband and one of my daughters had been ill and I didn't get enough sleep the first few days post-chemo. I was in bed at 8 p.m. last night, and now, one week post-chemo, I feel like myself again. No nausea, no aches, just a mild headache and a metallic taste in my mouth.
We have all warned each other about constipation or diarrhea; constipation is my friend. I have managed well by drinking enormous amounts of water and zero calorie flavored waters, taking Miralax every day, and colace twice daily. I did start with the burning down below that we have been warned about, but DH purchased Balneol, which is working wonders, along with very gentle cleansing wipes as opposed to the usual toilet paper.
So for those of you who haven't yet started -- do get your supplies, do hydrate like crazy, take Claritin if you get Neulasta, realize that the nausea will pass, and that at least for me for the first round of chemo, the utter exhaustion lasted only a few days. This is definitely doable -- although we all understand that the process gets harder with each treatment -- so I am not minimizing it -- but we can get through it. -
Well, today is Day 16 and my hair has been falling out for 3 days, mostly today. At 10 tomorrow morning I'm donating my hair and getting my head shaved. I'll leave with my new wig. Wish me luck. This is tough.
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Kim, I agree. Losing our hair is incredibly difficult. I was fitted for a wig a few weeks ago and could hardly stand it. I decided to take a friend with me for head shaving and wig if my hair goes. I also ordered some hats and caps to wear so I would have some options.
I have been preparing my 7 year old daughters for my potential hair loss. Children are funny. I am horrified but they think it is really neat and can't wait for my hair to go. They are also very excited about the wig. I may have to put ithe wig under lock and key!
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Kim, I'm so sorry about your hair. This is more difficult than I ever thought... and yes I realize it is just stupid hair, but still.. This waiting for it to fall out is really getting to me.. I put the wig on few times to go out and it isn't that bad...with my own hair underneath that is.
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mom2jj - you are completely correct about kids.....i think that kids for the most part get thru life much easier then adults....they just seem to roll with the punches. My kids are older then yours but even my little nieces and nephews think that my losing my hair is "COOL". they want to know the following:
Does it hurt?
Will you head be shiny?
What will you put on it? Wigs blow kids away, they cannot figure out how you were able to buy hair from a store LOL.
How do you wash it?
See, they aren't all that attached to the hair....my 22 yr old son told me that most of the guys his age think bald chicks are hot. So there you go ladies....I am going to aspire to being an HOT old bald chick LOL.
Anyway just a little levity for the evening. Imagine, here we are stressing about the hairloss and there are people who shave their heads by choice ;0)
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How do you wash it is my question too LOL
also, how am I going to play tennis or volleyball? Will the wig stay put on? No I doubt it... Will the baseball cap stay on at least? Also, how am I going to do yoga? Bald headed? I just cannot image it yet.
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Kim, sorry about your hair!!!!
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Mom2JJ, Thanks for the "First chemo" 101. Very helpful. I took notes
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Seriously
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Silviazara, someone said that the hats from this web site stay on:
https://chemobeanies.com/products-page
My son is in 5th grade. He thinks bold head is funny. We will have a hair shaving "party". Friends are invited and my son is "the guest of honor"
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I had my first TC infusion last Friday so it's been a week. Here is an accounting of how I reacted. All suggestions welcome!
Day before, day of, day after: Headache from (presumably) steroid pills and steroid infusion.
Saturday, Sunday - okay. Little constipation. No sleep.
Monday - Low level aches and pains, very tired. No nausea, but no sleep
Tuesday. Better in morning. Went to work. Exhausted by late afternoon.
Wednesday - More energy in morning. Tired by afternoon. No sleep at night.
Middle of the night Wednesday-Thursday: Extreme spinal pain (from Neulasta). Couldn't go to work.
Friday (today) bone pain gone. Heart pounding when I walk up stairs.
No appetite, everything tastes awful. The constipation is gone, but left me with what feels like a diaper rash. My main problems are lack of appetite, inability to sleep, exhaustion and just not feeling like myself.
I feel very down.
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Mthrdee - thanks for the laugh this morning, "bald chicks are hot!" I'm dreading the hair loss again but my Husband says, "I think you look great with no hair." Allow me to add that my husband is completely bald too. When my hair fell out while going through treatment for Hodgkins my 3 year old said that I had a haircut just like Daddy!
Thank you Mom2JJ and JoanQuilts - for your update on how you are holding up thus far! I'm sending hugs to both of you for a good day today!
Kim48 - I think it's great that you are able to donate your hair at least. I hate that we have to lose it but your doing a good thing!
WaveWhisperer - I will check both CVS and Target! Thanks!!!!!
Kelly -
I had infusion# 2 on Tuesday and it has been a bit more challenging than the first one.
I felt fine the next morning and went to work, I even slept 5 hours despite the steroids. By the afternoon I started having the chills and came home with 101. Spoke to the MO office and they wanted me to go to the ER. Since the hospital they are near is not near me I said I would rather speak to the dr. first. He didn't rush to call me back, my blood counts were normal the day before so it wasn't a WBC issue. He said I was either having a reaction to the chemo or I picked up some virus coincidentally and to just take tylenol and see how I feel. Temps went back down to normal yesterday afternoon and have stayed down. I didn't go back to work today as I don't feel up to it and want to avoid germs from my students.
I am having more nausea than the first time, taking meds, and feel a bit more achy and uncomfortable than the first time.
I haven't eaten much since tuesday but am drinking. I was able to tolerate some french toast this morning.
The hair is almost gone. I wore a scarf for the first time on Wednesday. I am waiting for a wig to arrive and have a few hair coverings for the time being. This is by far the worst of all of it.
Hugs to everyone and hope you have a quiet and SE free weekend.
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Joan,
I wish I can say or do something to help you swim up! Hugs and good wishes sent to Edison NJ from me.
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Gayle,
sorry about your second treatment SE!
I hope your new wig looks fabulous and makes you smile and that your nausea will go away.
Hugs!
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