Fallout beginning at Koman

REKoz
REKoz Member Posts: 590
edited June 2014 in Advocacy

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Komen official quits after Planned Parenthood dispute

An executive with the Susan G. Komen for the Cure breast-cancer charity has resigned after a dispute over funding for Planned Parenthood. The resignation came in a letter obtained by The Associated Press.

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012
  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    I really feel that last week marked the beginning of the end for Komen.

    Planned Parenthood takes part in ending the lives of 300,000 babies a year.  I wonder if they'll start keeping track of the non-profits they kill, as well.

    Most of all, it is sad that all of this went down under the guise of fighting for women's health care.  If Komen's doors shut, I believe the effect to women's health care is going to be much worse then any assumed effect from PP losing funding from Komen.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited February 2012

    Please try to keep this civil. Thank you. 

  • Pompeed
    Pompeed Member Posts: 239
    edited February 2012

    With thousands now estranged and pledged to support PP or other charities, maybe Komen  can survive, on what I think will be a much smaller scale, on the donations from people who would not give to it before because of the funding provided to PP.  That way the donors and the now exposed political intentions of Komen will be aligned.  Should make Komen and those donors happy.

  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    I would love it if Komen could regroup reallign and become what rings true with their phrase "for the cure".  I believe they've shot themselves in both feet by trying to appease everyone, but hopefully they can recover and become something much better then they were before.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited February 2012

    Hope Komen learned a lesson, although it may be too late.

  • REKoz
    REKoz Member Posts: 590
    edited February 2012

    I agree with you Pompeed. It's not the end of Komen, nor would I like it to be. Perhaps this "rearranging" at the top will help, especially if it involves a more concentrated effort toward finding "the cure." 

    It's too bad that this issue became not about screening for women with nowhere to turn but about "killing babies." That is what upset me most. Well, OK saying it wasn't a political decision bothered me just a tad as well.Smile

  • Cindy2011
    Cindy2011 Member Posts: 4
    edited February 2012

    I feel that Planned Parenthood main purpose is to provide abortions. They are a very powerful organization as evidenced by the reversal of Komen's decision to fund Planned Parenthood. Komen is a private organization and should be able to fund or not fund any group they want without the overwhelming pressure from government officials of all people! (this is scary stuff!) Faye33 is right about the 300,000 abortions provided by Planned Parenthood per year. I think the Komen grants could be put to use by other organizations that benefit women's health and have nothing do the elective ending of life. Trying to save women from death from cancer and killing babies does not jive with me at all!

  • REKoz
    REKoz Member Posts: 590
    edited February 2012
  • Pompeed
    Pompeed Member Posts: 239
    edited February 2012

    She may have been the VP in charge of policy.  But she could not have implemented the policy -- and the obfuscation and the public lies -- without people at the executive level who have the same political agenda that she had.  Komen has to get rid of the rest of that ilk or decide that the political intentions are the way to go from here forward, keep the insiders who want it to go in that direction, get rid of any objectors and then go out into the public arena begging for support from those whose primary interest is the political intention.  There are supporters here who never gave to Komen because of the PP connection and we delighted to open their checkbooks when Handel severed it.  Now they are pissed because it was all a great mistake on Komen's part or that's Komen's take on it.  But were the connection severed again they would offer support.  It might be a lot smaller and have less to offer in the way of support for research or clinical programs.  But it would exist in a different -- and more honest -- form.

  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    Maybe Komen should change their slogan to "Honestly, We're for the cure!"  LOL

    Pompeed, I agree, honesty is always the best policy.  Be honest and let the chips fall where they may from there. 

  • lisa-e
    lisa-e Member Posts: 819
    edited February 2012

    I do not understand how people can state that Planned Parenthood's main purpose is to provide abortions when only 3% of the services they provide are abortion.  I think their main purpose is to provide women with contraceptive services.  That prevents abortion.

    Komen's decision was political and they lied about their motivations.  Many women will not trust them after that. 

    I will not support Komen because of the small amount of revenue they allocate to research (~ amout 24% last year & the amount of revenues that go toward administrative costs 20%).  Most of the funds they raise don't go directly to women, for screening or for breast cancer treatment, but to education and awareness.   Enough with awareness - I want to see research aimed at prevention and/or a cure.   

  • angelsister
    angelsister Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2012

    People say abortion is the main purpose of PP because it suits their own agenda and opinions. It apperently doent matter that we think 25% isnt enough expenditure on research by komen to make that its main aim. But it ok to say 3% on abortion frm PP equates to its main purpose. This argument imo achieves little but to give a platform to express views on a pet subject which has nothing to do with bc.

    edited to add the pet subject and personal agenda is anti-choice, just so im clear
  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited February 2012
    Hi All,
    We all know how emotionally charged this situation has been, and remains. There are very differing opinions on this issue -- a range of political affiliations, and of  backgrounds.
    I hope that everyone can freely state their opinions, and promise to "agree to disagree".
    With respect,
    Your Mods 
     
  • REKoz
    REKoz Member Posts: 590
    edited February 2012

    I agree with you Mods. The discussion about abortion is beating a dead horse.

    And now on topic, it will be interesting to see how this all plays out for Komen.

  • angelsister
    angelsister Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2012

    Its going to take a real effort to recoup the goodwill they have lost. Do you think there is a way to help all those 'casual contributors' who may have been alienated to keep giving?

  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    It's going to be hard, I think.  Mostly because it appears Komen hasn't commitly entirely one way or the other.  PP is eligible to apply for grants, but do we know yet if they'll be gifted a grant?

    I believe the Pro-life group will be hesitant to give until Komen makes it clear if they will be involved with PP or not.  I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the group that sides with PP is pretty miffed at Komen right now... I don't know if or how long that will take to change.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    lisa-e,

    people continue to say things about PP that are not true, because it suits their purpose. Nice try correcting, but you won't change the incorrect information.  

    I agree with you, would love to see more of Komen money going to scientific research, a higher % of their revenue - meanwhile, they do give more than $70,000,000. a year to scientific reseach, with excellent experienced oncologists directing the grants - while maybe not the % we'd want donated, it's still a HUGE, HUGE amount of money going to scientific research.

  • She
    She Member Posts: 503
    edited February 2012

    Breast Cancer doesn't heed gender, race, religion, political inclination, marital status, age or sexual orientation.  Perhaps it would be in our own best interest, in staying alive, to adopt the same attitude.

    People and organizations do things that offend some on one hand and assist on the other.  Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could stop 'taking a stand' and focus on what really matters to the people seeking and giving support here on BC.org.  Winning our own battle.  After we do that, then we can go out and campaign to save the world according to our own personal beliesf/values. 

  • tkone
    tkone Member Posts: 511
    edited February 2012

    I have walked in the Susan G. Komen 3 day for the last 3 years and plan to walk this year.  Though I am unhappy with all that transpired last week and continues this week, I do think that the one good thing that will come of it is that Komen and donors have the opportunity to take a long, hard look at why certain charities are important to them.  I think the mission of Planned Parenthood is important (no, not abortion...providing healthcare for uninsured and underinsured women-abortion is a paltry 3% of their services). but for me, my priorities are Research and Education so Komen still fits the bill.

    I know many people who pulled funding from SGK and sent their funds to PP.  I say good for them for examining their priorities and coming to the right conclusion for them.  PP does good things, but they aren't curing cancer.  I will continue to raise money for SGK so they can do the work of curing cancer.  Yes, 24% is a "smallish" piece of the pie to dedicate to research.  But its a big pie so dedicating 70 million in research grants a year is pretty impressive.  If you look at other charities that only have the power to raise 100 million per year and even if they dedicate 50% of their funds to research, it is still less than SGK.

    Perfect solution?  No.  Is 70 million better than a sharp stick in the eye?  Absolutely. I hope they take the opportunity to review their priorities so all of us who do choose to raise money for them feel good about where our $'s are going.

  • Pompeed
    Pompeed Member Posts: 239
    edited February 2012

                 I just heard part of the Handel interview on Fox via NPR's All Things Considered.  What she and the other pro-compelled pregnancy contingent seem to forget, in their rabid and often false attacks on PP is very, very simple: it's a medical procedure which is legal in all states of the US and it is a regulated medical procedure as are all medical procedures to various extents relative to the rights of the patient. 

                 Raging against a particular legal medical procedure, to which women have a right as part of their health care regimen just as everyone has a right to be in control of personal health care decisions, is like raging against a procedure for testicular cancer or colon cancer or prostate cancer or heart transplant or any other legal medical procedure.  Absurd. 

                 Also absurd: Hendel's rage against PP in the interview.  Vivious.  Just vicious.  She judged the whole thing wrong but PP made her do it is her excuse.  She's the victim in all of this.  Not even Komen.  Just Handel personally because PP supposedly has too much political power and too much influence over public opinion and she didn't have the ammo to fight that giant.  Let is never be said that personal responsibility is a hall mark of hard right thinking.  Unless it is to criticize anyone else for supposed short comings in that arena.

  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    Slavery used to be legal. Where would we be today if no one took a stand against slavery?



    Just because it is legal, does not make it right.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    Pompeed

    thanks - and the procedure is not "WRONG" - and to equate it with slavery, is, well,....not worth any more words...

    thanks to all for getting back to the subject of what we can do to support organizations working to support women with bc, and as Tracy said, $70 million dollars are year going to vital research is important...

  • REKoz
    REKoz Member Posts: 590
    edited February 2012

    A lot of good input here. Though I was really upset at Komen's decision, there's no question that they have done a lot in the past for breast cancer. I agree with your thinking tkone, though I would truly like to see more of their $ go toward research and LESS PINK. Enough already! Using funds for pink anything is just no longer so necessary. Unless you live in a hole, and unfortunately for us, pink is breast cancer.

    And now I am putting on my naive hat. I must say that in this whole hubub, I read tons of articles from both sides of the aisle. I was discussing this with my Bestie who happens to be a nurse. I had not been aware prior to this about the strong relationship between Koman and the Pharma's. Yes, I've seen some threads over the years in this regard but I just could not follow along with those so dug in on the conspiracy theory. So, when I mentioned this to my friend, she said; "Unfortunately there are instances where this kind of thing does happen."  Well blow me away!, I just cannot...CANNOT believe that this could be the case with SGK. Good God, please settle me down!

  • angelsister
    angelsister Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2012

    Yay for getting back to breast cancer.. I think you guys are right that no one can ignore the amount of money that komen has raised. The local affiliates ( or some of em) seem to have come out of this well, is it worth concentrating effort on influencing them about money raised and granted locally?

    edited to add especially with regard to women who need screening and who have diagnosis and need treatment. Once a person loses their job and insurance, it is hard to keep up with co-pays etc. My sis got cobra but not immediately and many people must be in similar financial difficulties. (she had fentanyl patches and the co-pay on one box was over 300 dollars!
  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited February 2012

    Maybe Handle can go start a PAC for the most rabidly anti-choice GOP candidate running. That would probably be Santorum. As long as she's out of bc I do not care what she does.

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited February 2012

    I am in favor of research and curing CANCER - not just breast cancer.  Breast cancer has hit my family hard, as 3 have died of it, and I'm now the fourth to suffer, but IMHO all forms of cancer need funding.  Therefore, though I will no longer donate to Komen, I will continue to donate to Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, and Stand Up to Cancer.

    IMO Komen became too enamored of their own strength, and attempted (will still attempt?) to use it to form public policy.  I am and have always been a supporter of planned parenthood.  I think they do wonderful things for women in need, and when I was young I used some of their services.  I am not in favor of abortion, and would never have had one personally (I'm past the age where it would be a concern :)  However, I do not believe that my moral compass should guide another's path through life. 

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited February 2012

    The problems @ Komen are far deeper than the PP episode:

    http://www.minnpost.com/healthblog/2012/02/03/34819/planned_parenthood_controversy_also_exposes_komens_corporate_problem#.TzE_90d5-TR.facebook

    As far as a "cure," as Dr. Susan Love says, how can we cure something when we don't understand what causes it?    Deanna

  • NCbeachgal
    NCbeachgal Member Posts: 181
    edited February 2012

    The reason for Komen pulling funding from Planned Parenthood was, in my opinion, clearly political. I just heard on the NBC news that Handel resigned.

    I also believe we live in a free country and people/corporations can fund and de-fund at any time for any reason. While I dont agree with pulling the funds from Planned Parenthood, I certainly wasn't outraged. It's their prerogative.

    I am a supporter of Planned Parenthood because as a young girl waiting tables, that organization was my only link to healthcare, excellent healthcare. I made money so I always paid some nominal fee for pap smear services, breast exams, contraception information, etc. I met many wonderful healthcare professionals who are still active in our community now.

    I feel PP would've survived without SGK because they too have the ability to raise funds from other sources. I'm glad though that a good organization will be able to put the SGK money to good use for breast cancer screening for those who might not otherwise have access to this service.

  • chatsworthgirl
    chatsworthgirl Member Posts: 288
    edited February 2012

    My observation is that SGK money should go to cancer reseach to find a cure since that is why they were formed.  I really don't see the purpose in funding other organizations that don't have much to do with cancer research or cure.  It is my understanding that PP is well funded so they would do OK without the SGK money.  Why did PP make such a public stink about it?

    Any privately funded organization should be able to choose where it puts the money.  PP's strong arm tactics were wrong.

    Kathy

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