Lying about having breast cancer

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I didn't know where else to post this, but it is causing me anxiety and rage.  I am a 2-year survivor.  Went through chemo, mastectomy, radiation, several more reconstruction surgeries, like many of you.  There is a teacher at a different school who has been claiming for 2 years to have breast cancer and to be undergoing radiation since August 2010.  She confides to colleagues, but admonishes them not to tell anyone.  She has told all of them individually, and they have gotten together to share this and numerous other lies she has told with the administration. The administration tells them that they should have compassion because she is undergoing radiation.  I don't know about you all, but my skin was falling off after my 20th treatment, and she has been having radiation from August 2010 until now, February 2012??? 

I am so furious it is almost consuming me.  Why do people do this?  And what I really don't understand is how do they continue to get away with it?

I suppose I could discuss this with my shrink, but just wanted to share this to see if anyone else has ever experienced this.

Thanks, sisters.

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  • J-Bug
    J-Bug Member Posts: 626
    edited February 2012

    Unbelievable!!!!!!!!! Send the press an anonymous note. 

    What does she hope to gain besides sympathy? Was she in danger of losing her job before this? I was let go from a contract position because of my diagnosis. There has been so much to work through and overcome this year besides breast cancer, it is unbelievable that someone would make this up!! 

  • Sirena_Gorda
    Sirena_Gorda Member Posts: 26
    edited February 2012

    No, J-Bug, she was not in danger of losing her job.  In fact, she was promoted from teacher to department chair, so she has actually done this at 2 different schools.  She tells her "underlings" when they take a sick day that she had breast cancer last year/has breast cancer (she can't seem to get her stories straight) and didn't miss a day of school during treatment. 

    This is the same school system that told me if I took 2 weeks of medical leave to have surgery at the end of the school year, I would be declared surplus and would not be able to return to the school where I have taught since it opened.

    I am so sorry you were treated in a similar way.  Why is this not against the law?

    Sorry for the raging, but I can't talk about this with people who have not undergone this horror.  They think it's awful and despicable, but they can't totally understand.  Thanks to all for listening.

  • dreaming
    dreaming Member Posts: 473
    edited February 2012

    It is common,many go into blogs,support groups on line and pretend to have breast cancer, even men that have some weird comments.

    When I was dx, I attended a support group, this woman joined after her breast cancer, that according to her "her faith had cured her".

    She would not explain what type,or anything about her cancer. She left the group after a year, she made more harm than good,we had some ladies that felt they were not religious enough.

    Two years later I was told this woman was in a hospital and wanted to see the ladies from the support group because she was terminal, she got breast cancer for real and it unfortunately very advance when found. She wanted to apologize.

    This people want attention, no matter what.

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited February 2012

    Sirena, I work in a medical field and have encountered a lot of this.  It can be one of two basic things.  Someone who knows they don't have the problem but is trying to fool others to get something like drugs or time off, or someone who has a mental illness where they seem to need the attention.  Sometimes the "attention" turns into true medical treatment if they fool the wrong people. It can be a really dangerous problem to have.  Have you heard of Munchhausen's?  Some people even hurt themselves or make themselves sick to get this kind of attention.

    I don't blame you for being mad.  I would be too.  People like this can be infuriating, at least for me.  I am also crossing paths now with a person feigning breast cancer and it's very, very hard for me to squelch my thoughts of "You want to see REAL mastectomy scars?"  I have to consciously do an attitude-adjustment.  Even if these people don't have breast cancer, they have a serious problem and need some help.  It's a very, very difficult issue.

    Have you considered presenting your concerns with the slant of them being concerns about her mental health?  

  • Thatgirl
    Thatgirl Member Posts: 276
    edited February 2012

    Could she possibly be in a clinical trial? Could she be on another type flow dose radiation? I hope she isn't lying about having BC.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited February 2012

    It is more common than I ever realized for people to fake cancer.  I live in a town of 11,000 people and I am not particularly social yet I know 2 people who have faked breast cancer.  When people feel isolated from the community, no matter how small or how large, strange things happen.

  • Sirena_Gorda
    Sirena_Gorda Member Posts: 26
    edited February 2012

    Thatgirl, I don't think so, but I will read up on that.  Thanks for the suggestion.

  • Sirena_Gorda
    Sirena_Gorda Member Posts: 26
    edited February 2012

    Outfield, I would dearly love to expose her for having mental health problems, but I would be out of line and get in trouble or get fired for doing it.  After all, who ever questions someone who says she has breast cancer?  No surgery (not even a lumpectomy--certainly not discounting that as not being surgery--it definitely is), no chemo, only radiation for 16 months.  Oh, and she was declared cancer free in the spring of 2011, but continued radiation anyway.  She obviously has not done her homework, and probably lurks around the discussion boards here.  Hope she sees this.

    Yes, I know firsthand about Munchhausen's and also Munchhausen's By Proxy.  I worked with someone with this for 7 years.  It made me as angry as this situation does.  She always got away with it, and continues to do so.  Nobody ever dares to confront them.

    I know I shouldn't be so bitter b/c it is just raising my anxiety and hurting me.  That's why I am ranting here to people who understand.  Again, thanks for listening and responding.

  • christina0001
    christina0001 Member Posts: 1,491
    edited February 2012

    I would be tempted to (privately) confront her...although what good would it do?

    That would infuriate me to...I suppose that inside something indeed IS very wrong with her, not breast cancer, but something wrong at a deep, emotional level... and that is really sad.

    Breast cancer (sadly) is not too uncommon these days. I would bet you anything she has coworkers and superiors who are suspicious of her, but just don't know how to deal with her.

    Perhaps the most frightening is that you say this is a teacher...this doesn't sound like someone who should be around young people trying to learn.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited February 2012

    If it were me, this would be driving me nuts and I would need to do something about it.  I think what I'd do is send a note to the administration (or maybe to several people within the administration group - maybe one of them would take it seriously) and explain that what she is saying about her breast cancer treatment is inconsistent with how breast cancer is actually treated - and I would include copies of articles that talk about surgery (step 1 in treatment) and radiation therapy and the fact that radiation is generally given for 6 weeks and never is 2 years.  I would explain that while some might think that her lies are harmless, in fact her lies are very hurtful to those who've actually had breast cancer.  I would close by requesting that the administration look into the situation. 

    I'm not sure if I would send the note under my name or anonymously - I suppose it depends on my relationship with those who I'd be sending the note to.  I realize that this approach might not result in anything being done but I'd at least feel that I did something and that would help me deal with it. 

    By the way, over the years on this board there have been several women who've been here who have faked having breast cancer.   

  • kerrberlady
    kerrberlady Member Posts: 49
    edited February 2012

    I also am a teacher and I also work with someone that lies about having breast cancer.  She began her lies last year.  She is one of those people that is always out sick for something or other, but this one for me took the cake.  First off she came to me when she was "diagnosed".  I listened and was very supportive, as I, at the time were a nine year survivor.  

    Then one day she didn't make it to work.  Another teammate of ours said she called her and told her that she was called by her doctor(not oncologist) and he needed her to come in for an emergency chemotherapy treatment!!!! I have never heard of such a thing!!! All my chemo treatments both in 2001 and now are scheduled way ahead of time.  I was dumbfounded.  Supposedly she had surgery to remove the "lump".  But was out only the one day!  When I had my lumpectomy in 2001 I was out for over a week with drains!  I was starting to question all her stories.  She stopped telling me things, I stopped supporting her.

    This year when I was diagnosed and had to have BMX, you would have thought that this woman that was "going through cancer treatments" would be right there with me, right?  NOPE!!! She sees me, she turns and goes the opposite direction.  I thought that I would confront her, but then I thought, what's the point.  I have written her off as a pathetic human being.  I have watched her over 4 years use illness as a means to get parents to sympathize toward her as she degrades and yells at their children.  I have seen her weasle sympathy from administrators in order to stay off an action plan for being a horrible teacher.  It makes me sick!  

    The people that are around me are good people, they have seen me going through the process including taking me to doc appts and even having my expanders filled.  They know I am not lying! I don't understand why people do this, I don't understand why more of my coworkers aren't asking her for more details about her own "illness".  Someone told me that she is now cancer free!!! Really, after only a year, no surgery, radiation, and one treatment of "emergency chemo"!!!???  

    Sick, sick people out there!

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited February 2012

    Funny that this whole issue has been raised. I did wonder if here, on bco, we ever had "fakers" and as Beesie confirmed, we have. Some posts or posts from "family" members just don't quite ring true. As to your situation, Diana, I feel for you and am not sure what I'd do. I'm a teacher too. I work for a small public school district and am lucky that they have been so compassionate while I was on medical leave (3 1/2 months). Part of it are protections mandated by our contract. Does your contract offer protection during medical leave?

    Caryn

  • Faith316
    Faith316 Member Posts: 2,431
    edited February 2012

    I also am a teacher.  Funniest thing I ever heard was several years back when one of my co-workers (who is really an odd lady) went for an appointment with her gynecologist.  She came back to school the next day to tell us that her gyno had diagnosed her with a brain tumor.  Huh???? He can see straight through to her brain from her woo-hoo??  We still laugh about this years later!

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited February 2012

    Wow! That speculum must have been opened up all the way to give him such a great view!

    Caryn

    PS: we had a teacher who faked several pregnancies!

  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 1,107
    edited February 2012

    She sounds like a sociopath.  That's really sad.

  • kathleen1966
    kathleen1966 Member Posts: 793
    edited February 2012
    I have known one person who told these type of lies.  I believe it is a serious psychotic disorder. I know it would make me mad as well but I would also feel sorry for this person.  I honestly think they may actually BELIEVE this to be true themselves and that is part of the psychosis. I feel very bad for this woman. I can assure you, her relationships suffer because of it and yet I think it is nearly impossible for a person like this to acknowledge this about themselves and seek treatment for it. Frown If this woman states this in front of you though, I would acknowledge that you know this not to be true and tell her to get help. And yes, I suppose its possible to have radiation for mets? 
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

    Before ruining this woman's reputation, remember there is radiation used as adjuvant thereapy---and there is radiation used as a palliative therapy for bone mets. My aunt has had this repeatedly whenever the bone mets moves to another location.

    Also, anyone who has been to medical school will tell you certain brain tumors are easy to see in a very basic eye exam where the tumor presses on the nerve going from the brain to the eye. So it's not impossible that the person's gyn could have picked it up if he was looking for some non gyn explanation (e.g., pituitary tumor for irregular menses) for a problem the patient was having.

    There is so much judging and mocking on BCO, I've been away for months. Let's look for the best in people and extend compassion.

  • Layla2525
    Layla2525 Member Posts: 827
    edited February 2012

    OMG, I never would have thought....no wonder people acted as if I were lying when I told them I needed time off work...of course so many people lied where I work that we have to have a stack of papers signed by the doctors and sign a release for the feds(I work for them) to see our medical records! I told my surg about it and that i wished to God I was lying so i wouldnt have to have surg but unfortunately I am not. Attached a copy of the pathology report to the request stack of papers to ask for time off and was relieved it was approved. However, they sent the request for records to the oncologist and the first surg whom I fired had cancelled the onc appt so the onc does not have any records on me..dunno whats gonna happen there..I should have filled it out myself and listed my BS & PS whom I have been seeing in pre-op for Feb 13, I even gave my fiance a copy of the path report which states Invasive Ductal Carcinoma and then the church volunteer group called me to see why I had not shown up! Good grief..do I need religion?

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited February 2012

    Yes, it happens, as you all know.  I had a cousin (who lied all the time) who first said she had breast cancer, then changed her mind and said she had lung cancer, then changed her mind and said terminal brain cancer that was diagnosed by her dermatologist!  (She hadn't seen a neurologist, oncologist or neurosurgeon or had an MRI.)  We never really figured out what was happening (we didn't know what to believe), but she was terminal and died several months later.

  • Layla2525
    Layla2525 Member Posts: 827
    edited February 2012

    OMG, I never would have thought....no wonder people acted as if I were lying when I told them I needed time off work...of course so many people lied where I work that we have to have a stack of papers signed by the doctors and sign a release for the feds(I work for them) to see our medical records! I told my surg about it and that i wished to God I was lying so i wouldnt have to have surg but unfortunately I am not. Attached a copy of the pathology report to the request stack of papers to ask for time off and was relieved it was approved. However, they sent the request for records to the oncologist and the first surg whom I fired had cancelled the onc appt so the onc does not have any records on me..dunno whats gonna happen there..I should have filled it out myself and listed my BS & PS whom I have been seeing in pre-op for Feb 13, I even gave my fiance a copy of the path report which states Invasive Ductal Carcinoma and then the church volunteer group called me to see why I had not shown up! Good grief..do I need religion?

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited February 2012

    Lucy88,

    I agree that we should be compassionate and not judgmental but I am hoping that those who post about fakers have first hand knowledge of the fact that they're faking. Yes, they do suffer from a type of disease, even if it's not what they claim, but it's hard for us who really have the disease to watch them milk others for sympathy or whatever else they get out of it.

    Caryn

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited February 2012

    I'm sure it's easy to fake cancer in a virtual world...but in the real world? Highly doubt you could continue with that lie too long. Sooner or later your job is going to ask for medical records. Since the administration told you to be compassionate, I'm guessing she's not faking. I can't think of one employer who would just allow random sick time without doctor's records to back it up. I agree with lucy88. Paranoia runs rampant around here.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

    Leaf,

    That is so sad. Thank you for sharing that story. Sometimes people choose circuitous ways to tell the truth.

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited February 2012

    That is sad Leaf. There is a lady at my clinic who said she had all those cancers as well, or at least that's how she put it.....turns out it was all breast mets....she just didn't state it that way, so really she wasn't lying, just used different wording.

  • pj12
    pj12 Member Posts: 25,402
    edited February 2012

    Several years ago a distant cousin developed breast cancer. Her real story became the script for my sister's imaginary battle with the disease. She was sophisticated in her ability to nuance the facts; with the immediate family she merely hinted at suspicious test results. The farther out from the nuclear family the more explicit the details of her imaginary surgery and treatment became. We thought it was strange that she had her hair cut, really shaved, until we "heard" rumors were circularing she was undergoing chemotherapy. She presented the image of the noble single mother fightIng a terrible disease alone. A mutual acquaintance said some ugly things to me about how unsupportive her family was being. When I confronted my sister she declared the story had just snowballed through no fault of hers. It was apparent her actions were the result of serious issues.



    She was fighting a disease but it was not breast cancer. It was mental illness. She didn't take money from anyone. She was self employed so she didn't defraud an employer or an insurance company. She shared her "story" with discretion and asked people not to tell others. She bravely demurred if questioned about her health. Why did she do it? For attention, for sympathy? Because she felt unloved and alone? Did it start with an irrational fear that she might get breast cancer? I have no idea. I am quite sure she did not know. She had always been, as my dad called it, an embroiderer of the truth. If challenged about a falsehood, she would just tell a bigger one to cover up the deceit. But she worked, paid her bills, raised her children, went to church, and, fortunately, ultimately "recovered" from breast cancer.



    Interestingly, since I was diagnosed with breast cancer (really), she has never mentioned that strange fantasy and has been genuinely supportive and sympathetic. Fortunately she has never offered me any advice based of her own experience with breast cancer! Her life has changed very much for the better and many of the voids that she filled with imaginary events are now filled with genuine happy things, like a loving husband and a darling grandchild.



    I guess it is impossible to understand this mental aberration, even in someone as close as a sister.



  • Letlet
    Letlet Member Posts: 1,053
    edited February 2012

    I just wanted to chime in that in the years that I've worked in a cancer center. I've met people with 3 different cancers every now and then. They have actually been the most pleasant and easiest people to talk to and do not seem to bemoan their life.... 

  • libraylil
    libraylil Member Posts: 528
    edited February 2012

    Have also known someone who lied about this. Even to the point of saying she had a double mastectomy. I just want to punch her in the throat.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited February 2012

    Gracie,

    I don't think paranoia runs rampant here. Munchhausen's and Munchhausen's by proxy exists. Those who have it are skilled at manipulating those around them and the medical system. Fortuneatly, it is far less rampant than bco paranoia :)

    Caryn

  • leggo
    leggo Member Posts: 3,293
    edited February 2012

    Yes Caryn. When I said "around here", I meant bco.

  • velutha
    velutha Member Posts: 102
    edited February 2012

    So sorry that you have to listen to fakers when you're the real deal.  Someone else should handle that for you, it's way too personal for you to confront her or admin.  Maybe a close friend of yours could talk to her, ask her to tone it down for the sake of others?  I will say I've seen both the fakers and the folks who are just terrible at explaining their illness -which makes it seem made up.  Both can be difficult to deal with for different reasons.

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