Komen and Planned Parenthood

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  • SAB
    SAB Member Posts: 1,498
    edited February 2012

    shokk, sorry, you did not use the word "vastly."

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  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2012

    Booboo I think it's best for the teenage girl to have control over her birth control and not depend on the teenage guy. Typically not as mature at that age.. The pill is much more of a saftey net than any barrier method. I would assume she was using a condom as well to prevent STDs.

    IUDs can slip out of place too. I know of someone that had that happen and got pregnant.

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  • SAB
    SAB Member Posts: 1,498
    edited February 2012

    loveschristmas and others, the Moderators have urged respect and I agree...I want to reiterate that I respect your beliefs, your positions and your right to give money and support to whomever you please.  I hope that Komen will be direct and open about their political shift so that each of us can make our own decision for our own reason.  

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  • jap62
    jap62 Member Posts: 1,385
    edited February 2012

    I actually new a lady who ran 3 clinics she said the main reason is for money on abortions, also stated they would purposefully give bc pills that they new were lower dose to insure repeat customers, thats where I got my info, I would never support SGK or any other org, that isn't using funds to search for the prevention of bc, they are for profit, cancer is the bigest money maker for pharma, drs, hospitals, 2oo billion a year, you think they really want to find a cure?  that goes for any disease that makes al lot of $$ for them, I find that lyme is not researched because not enough $$ in it, yet it is a huge health issue where I live, it is said that greed is greater than a human life

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  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited February 2012

    Komen made a big boo boo...watch out for the Karma bus!!!

    just thinkin out loud.

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  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    hillck,

    So if these PP women end up getting diagnosed with breast cancer, where are they going to go for treatment?  Surely PP doesn't administer chemotherapy.  There has to be other options.

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2012

    Yorkiemom ... Just wanted to stay that I love your comments.  I agree with everything you said.  I've stayed out of this discussion because mostly everything that could be said about it has been said.

    I'm appalled that the right wing religious right now controls Komen.  The election this year can't get here soon enough.

    Bren

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2012

    Faye .. to answer your question, many women without insurance are referred to the Breast and Cervical Cancer Screening Program.  It's a medicaid program funded by the CDC.

    Bren

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  • angelsister
    angelsister Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2012

    Why would you refer to anyone as 'these PP women'?

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  • jyg
    jyg Member Posts: 198
    edited February 2012

    @LovesChristmas - Regarding the link you posted to "Medical News Today" ... I read the original article on TNBC and oral contraceptives, which can be found here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754710/



    This was a case-control study design, meaning the researchers found women with BC then attempted to match them with similarly aged women without BC and then looked backward in time at various factors. Such a study design can only suggest association, NOT causation. Table 1 includes the induced abortion history for women with and without BC (along with many other factors used in the statistical analysis). The difference in induced abortion rates was not significant. (Again, do not ask me why they did not include miscarriages)



    So, not only is the study design insufficient to show causation, the data are not statistically significant. (p=0.82) Medical News used a piece of an article and misinterpreted it.



    Studies that are prospective in nature have not shown a causative effect between abortion and breast cancer, any more than the hormonal changes that are briefly found in pregnancy and also with miscarriage.

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  • bigdogmom2
    bigdogmom2 Member Posts: 40
    edited February 2012
    From the Noreen Fraser Foundation: 
    "The Noreen Fraser Foundation supports women's cancer research and makes grants to those institutions doing groundbreaking translational research. We would never allow politics to get in the way of our grant-making process. We are shocked that Susan G. Komen has pulled their support of Planned Parenthood. Cancer is a bi-partisan issue! "

    Smile

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  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    cynsister,

    Because I don't know their names.  What was I supposed to say? 

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  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited February 2012

    Komen pulling their funding is merely a catalyst for more polarization.  Now, instead of donating to both organizations, or neither, the average person will now choose one or the other.  It will polarize the big corporate donors and politicos as well.

    Ironically, both "sides" might see more money than ever in donations.  Komen gave (in the ballpark of) $600,000 to PP in each of the last two years.  Well, PP just took in $400,000 in a 24-hour period of reactionary giving after this story broke.  (I use reactionary without it's political meaning here.)  Komen has not reported any dramatic increase yet, but their stance poises them to rake it in from the fundamental right-wing that had qualms about donating prior to this announcement.

    I'm interested in how this plays out, but have felt very unemotional about it so far.

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

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  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2012

    jap62 I find that hard to believe. And may that 1 woman did that but I doubt very much that was the practice of everyone. No one wants to see women get abortions or see it as a form of birth control.

    Even if it were true that is not how most of the places, or how PP works.

    And yes I do think they want to find a cure. I amazes me when people say this. I know my onc would love to see a cure. Part of the reason why she got involved with the research for Herceptin.

    Elimar the increase is great but will it still be there next year when there isn't a story? 

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  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    Thanks for the information Bren!

    I will have to look into that program/organization.

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  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited February 2012
    lago,  I'll have to stay tuned on that...if I'm still here that is.
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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited February 2012

    Iago, you are correct -- how to keep the momentum going for PP. I have given consistently and steadily to them over the years, but now my Komen dollars will go there, too. When I see the registration for Race for the Cure, I will send that amount to PP. When Pinktober rolls around, it will be time for me to ask my friends and family to donate to PP or to an anti-cancer organization other thatn SGK. When the holidays roll around, I will ask people who usually give me gifts to give to PP or their favorite (other than SGK) anti-cancer organization. I will be more of an advocate for PP than I have ever been (and I have been one). I think a lot of angry women who were SGK advocates will be looking for something else to advocate and may choose PP. That's what I hope, anyway.

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

    Does anyone here think that anyone donated to Komen BECAUSE they were forwarding money to Planned Parenthood?

    On the other hand, many people did not donate to Komen BECAUSE they did give money to Planned Parenthood.

    Planned Parenthood is a lightning rod for controversy.  No matter which side of the abortion debate someone falls on. 

    Komen made a business decision to avoid controversy, and now people who claim to be "pro-choice" are turning that into a whole new controversy. So now Komen is not allowed to choose which organizations it works with and supports monetarily?  How is that pro-choice?  Pro-abortion maybe, but not pro-choice.   

    If Komen is now giving the same amount of money to other organizations to provide breast cancer screenings, and Planned Parenthood has raised enough in donations in the last two days to replace every penny that they got from Komen last year, then low income women are the winners all around, because now more women will be helped, and low income women who are pro-life will have more options beyond Planned Parenthood.  Now that is pro-choice.

    edited for spelling

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  • FacingLIFE
    FacingLIFE Member Posts: 29
    edited February 2012

    Komen had given me cause for concern recently before this latest news. My donations and fund raising will no longer go to their organization. All women deserve bc screening. Like big religion, some non-profits need to be closely scrutinized in my opinion.

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  • MiniMacsMom
    MiniMacsMom Member Posts: 595
    edited February 2012

    Patmom, I agree on the issue that if Komen still funds the BC screenings in the same amount, its a null issue. But can you name a national organization or a community of organization for rural women that is widely available that they could fund?  I certainly haven't thought of one.  THey would have to fund specific individual clinics all over the country.  Those clinics would have to have people there available to write individual grants for each clinic to get the funds.  PP was great because its national, and available for everyone.  Each PP clinic didn't have to write a grant for funds.  We are middle class, but I have used PP in the past when I didn't have insurance, not for BC for pregnancy but for other ovarian medical issues.  I have family who is the same.  One aunt got sent away from her normal OB because she didn't have insurance for a PAP to planned Parenthood (As an adult).   I would have no problem with the pulling the funding for breast exams if there was somewhere to go for breast screenings.  But right now, I dont' think there is. 

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  • Deborah2012
    Deborah2012 Member Posts: 234
    edited February 2012

    Hello All,

    I just sent in my $50 contribution to Planned Parenthood. This is their thank you note:

    "Thank you for standing with Planned Parenthood and the women, men, and teens who rely on us with your contribution today.  The support Planned Parenthood received from Susan G. Komen for the Cure Foundation was important- but people like you are the true heart and sould of Planned Parenthood.  It's good to know that you're with us. 

    Thank you again for your support.  Your generosity and dedication are what enable Planned Parenthood Federation of America to work, every single day, to protect and promote women's health. "

    Facing a MX tomorrow. I"m going to need to take a relaxer after all of this added aggravation!

    Deborah2012

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  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2012

    Komen is stating that it has a new policy that doesn't allow it to fund organizations under investigation. Note that the organization has not been found guilty of any wrong doing, just under investigation… but it appears that Komen will take funds from organizations under investigation.

    It may be a business decision but that's not what the video on their front page states.The claim it's because of this new policy.

    They can choose to give or not give to whom ever they like as long as they disclose… If I don't agree then I can choose to donate to another organization. That's why I and many others are choosing to do.

    elimar  Where are you going?

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  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    Great post PatMom!

    hillck, I'm not comparing apples to oranges, however, I feel you may be talking about oranges and I may be talking about apples.  It basically comes from life experiences.  When I was dx with cancer, I lived in a very rural area which was very poor.  I had my screenings, and a lot of my treatments at the same place.  The local hospital.  I know they offered free mammograms.  And if Komen gave money out to hospitals/clinics instead of PP, they could do even more!  I would have to drive four hours and past a number of very qualified hospitals/clinics which offer breast screenings/treatment to get to the nearest PP, which is located in a city with even better medical facilities then I passed driving the four hours to get to PP.  I guess I have a hard time imagining that PP is the only option for women to get funded breast screening.  Maybe in some areas of the country it really is...

    I understand needing the referral for screening, that could still come from PP.  The funding for the actual screening needs to come from Komen outside the context of PP.

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  • covertanjou
    covertanjou Member Posts: 569
    edited February 2012

    Komen has the choice to what they want, and I and many others have the choice to do what WE want.  I contacted the Canadian Breast Cancer Foundation to make sure that they do NOT support Komen's decision.   Since they don't support Komen's decision, I have sent them a donation.  There are many others who have chosen to stand with and for underserved and poor women.  I CHOOSE to stand with them.

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/02/michael-bloomberg-pledges-help-fund-planned-parenthood-breast-cancer-exams/48228/

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  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited February 2012
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  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    hillck,

    I'm also a flavor of pro-choice.  However, with my flavor choice ends where another life begins.  You are a different flavor of pro-choice.  Nobody is truly 100% pro-choice.  If a mother choose to kill her one day old infant because she couldn't provide for him/her, that is a choice.  Nobody agrees that is right.  Therefore, they are not pro-choice.

    So because I'm against murdering a child of a different age, I'm suddenly "anti-choice".  Makes very little sense to me.

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  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2012

    "Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, responding to the controversy over a breast cancer advocacy group that cut off most of its grants to Planned Parenthood for breast cancer screening, said Thursday that he would make up a large part of the missing money." source linky

    I don't think Komen saw that coming.

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  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited February 2012

    Thanks, lago.  It's nice to see Mayor Bloomberg standing up to this.

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    edited August 2012

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