Alternative Treatment

I'm so glad I found this thread. I've been reconsidering taking Tamoxifen for a few weeks now. I started taking Tamoxifen in May 2011 and since then, my triglycerides and cholesterol has gone sky high and I just had an abnormal pap. I have an appointment with a gyno tomorrow to do another pap and they're talking about scraping my uterus since Tamoxifen can cause uterine cancer. I also found out that Tamoxifen can cause high cholesterol and triglyceride numbers.

My onc offered me the option to have a hysterectomy before I started taking the Tamoxifen, even though I caught my BC early, but I had just turned 40 years old, I had already had surgeries, chemo and rads and I just couldn't handle the thought of yet another surgery. 

I'll be checking out all these links. Many blessings to all of you! 

I have been approached by many people asking about information I have collected on alternative cancer therapies. I decided to put this in an eBook I just finished if anybody is interested.

www.scuttlebutt.biz/cancer

Rosieo, You might try posting that question in the "Early Stage Natural Girls" in the "alternative Forum".  I think you'll get a response there.

I read an article about science finding an ancient mummy that suffered from cancer. Upon mentioning this to a friend of mine, he replied that, "Yes, that it is true, some people did have cancer long ago, but only those people who chose not to go to an alchemist". When I expressed disbelief about his statement, he replied that long ago, alchemists were able to cure people of all forms of diseases by using alchemy. Then, he rapidly listed names and dates. He seemed quite knowledgeable and genuine.Thought this to be quite interesting.

I have more of a question or theory than a conclusion about tamoxifen use for breast cancer, for those here to consider (not only HER2 positives, but HR negatives).

I was dx'd stage 1 grade 3 HER2+++, and after doing CAFx5 and rads, was put on tamoxifen. I was on it for a year and then started finding reliable info on the net in 2003 that indicated that about 1/3 of the HER2 positive bc patients developed resistance to tamoxifen. Since they didn't know they were developing resistance to it, they didn't know they were taking it for nothing. So at the end of the first year of it I cut my dose down somewhat, and brought the info to my PCP, who took it to my onc.

Both my PCP and my onc, instead of being polite enough to treat the question (and me) respectfully by intelligent discussion, merely responded that "because I was probably menopausal [by this time], we will just put you on an aromatase inhibitor". I was appalled (and justifiably irritated) to have been put on a drug that had a 1/3 chance of risk of not being effective at all for me without any discussion in the first place, and then being treated like an idiot for bringing in the documentation for discussion--especially given that tamoxifen has many side effects and some additional risks.

It is possible that initially the tamoxifen was helpful to me, since my breast density was still dense at completion of rads after CAFx6 but disappeared by 3 months out from starting the tamoxifen. (Ditto for my sex life -- permanently.)

The research indicates that those HER2 positives who have a high AIB1 level are the ones who are likely to develop resistance to tamoxifen. I don't know why but there does not seem to be testing commonly available to determine whether one has a high AIB1 level.

What is concerning to me is that recently I saw some research that indicated that another group that has a high AIB1 level is the HR- group, which also tends to have a higher recurrence rate. The conclusion of the recent study is that maybe finding a way to knock down the AIB1 level may be worth targeting.

I don't know how "usable" this info is for those here, but it is just interesting to consider on an individual basis.

AlaskaAngel

sweetbean,

I don't know of anything that those with a high AIB1 can do to lower it, but your question is very interesting. The deal for bc patients about AIB1 is that about 1/3 of HER positive patients have a high level, but MOST of the HR negatives have a high level.

With these 2 groups having such a bad rap (prior to trastuzumab at least), IF science can find a natural way (or less desirably, a synthetic way) to lower AIB1, then that would allow more successful use of tamoxifen until postmenopause is reached.

I dunno. I still wish they would just get over this tweaking with this and that, and get off their buns and get more serious about analyzing the natural endocrine basis and effects. I'd RATHER have a sex life than have to use a synthetic to just survive.

A.A.

Sweetbean in reply to your question:

Thank you for your question about alchemy and your statement that no one survived cancer long ago. I asked my friend about this. He said long ago alchemists cured people of cancer and all diseases, in the same way that they changed lead into gold, as documented in 1814.

He said alchemists use the sound energies contained in secret words and sing the sounds of ancient secret songs that cause the protons, electrons and neutrons of atoms to move into different configurations. He said this process transformed diseased cells in human bodies into healthy cells.

He also said he is part of an organization which will very soon go public with a big announcement.Here is a listing of alchemy related historical dates and names that were provided.

• 300 AD Roman Emperor Diocletian orders all books on alchemy destroyed.
• 1317 Pope John XXII issues "Spondent Pariter" condemning alchemist to exile and heavy fines for merchants dealing in alchemical gold.
• 1404 Henry IV in England issues edit declaring use of alchemy to be illegal.
• 1814 Bullet of lead alchemically transformed into gold in front of an army officer and a doctor. (Bullet and affidavits are located in London's British Museum).
 

sunspark,

does your friend also wear a lovely tinfoil hat?  i'm sorry - that just sounds ridiculous to me.  cancer used to be a death sentence, and a fairly quick one at that, because by the time it was diagnosed, it was extremely advanced.

seriously.  i apologize for the snarkiness, but I am all hopped up on pain meds from my exchange yesterday.  i agree with rosemary - if alchemy worked, those dudes would be rich.

thenewme

You are such a cynic...but you have a point.

Hello ladies ... it just so happens that I know Alchemy and can turn lead into gold quite quickly.  For a small sum ... well relatively small in return for a cure ... I will share my secret with you.  Just let me know if you want more info.

OK ... before thenewme outs me ...  my Alchemy is really a computer puzzle game   But still ... you never know.  I'm going to start playing again tonight.

I posted when I first joined this site, & havn't been able to find it, or a post where someone gave a site for alternate treatments, I wonder if the deleted posts are such, cancer is a billion dollar industry for the allopaths & perhaps that;s the reason for the deletions:  it makes one think so anyway, & whatever the reason it shows disrespect for the posters & the search for information for all of us

On a historical note, I have heard that alchemists did try to pay off the Roman emperor, but who then got greedy, captured the alchemists, forced many to make gold for him (so he could pay off mercenary armies protecting the Roman empire's borders), killed off alchemists who wouldn't make gold for him. Special colloidal waters were part of ancient Egyptian practice during that time-period. The remaining alchemists went underground and saved techniques over generations - passing it father to son, mother to daughter, and so on.
On a more current note, I just saw a very recent article in the UK Daily News on the healing properties of silver in a study done at the University of Leeds. It is entitled: "Silver bullet for cancer: Metal can kill some tumours better than chemotherapy with fewer side effects". Now this I would call alchemy and perhaps there are modern day alchemists.