Komen and Planned Parenthood

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  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2012

    Yes Mods I should have included bc.org as well

  • LovesChristmas-Barb
    LovesChristmas-Barb Member Posts: 706
    edited February 2012

    I'm sorry SAB but when a person believes that a person is a person from the moment of conception then murder is exactly what I believe PP is guilty of. I get sick every time I think of babies being literally ripped apart from their mother's womb.

    The article I read about the link of abortion to breast cancer is here:

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/175394.php.

    There are many links on google to articles about the link between the birth control pill and breast cancer. The strongest link seems to be for younger women with triple negative.

    Someone brought up the issue of all the children needing homes and where are all of the prolife people  when it comes to providing homes for them. I myself have three adopted children, one of whom is special needs who had been severely neglected and malnourished.  I also know many prolife people who have biological children and have adopted and/or fostered special needs children. 

    And you don't have to be infertile or prolife to adopt those kids out there who need homes. 

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited February 2012

    Komen is supposed to be about breast cancer.  People who donate to them expect them to use the funds wisely for breast cancer issues.  They also promote themselves as mostly interested in funding research even though the truth is that there is little of that.  PP reaches a lot of otherwise unreachable women and IMO helping PP provide breast cancer screenings was one of the few smart, effective things Komen did.

    If they want to branch off into the abortion debate they should do that separately.  So I don't really care who feels how about pro-choice/anti-abortion issues.  Komen's money was not being used to fund abortions anyway.  They are supposed to be about breast cancer and what is best for breast cancer interests.  When they choose to go off in other directions ... my money will go in other directions also.  Easy peasy! 

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited February 2012

    Komen's excuse for dropping PP because it is under "legal investigation" is totally bogus. First, PP is being looked at by Congress, which is not a legal entity. Second, Penn State, which Komen also contributes too, IS under legal investigation. Where's the outrage over PS Komen???

    Yell

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited February 2012

    They are also partnered with Bank of America which is under investigation for some serious misconduct.  That has never bothered them either. 

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited February 2012

    I believe that Komen completely understands and has expected the backlash that is happening.....

    there are many points in time that doing the right thing is not always the popular thing......

    and I believe that Komen has weighed their options........

    and since this Country in the last several years has moved right of center and the majority of the population is now Pro Life......

    and in the last couple of years with contributions down for all non profits maybe Komen ran the numbers and figured that they would be able to come closer to reaching their goals by reducing their involvement in what some people consider to be controversial organizations.........

    Maybe with the withdraw of the Pro Choice group will be less of an impact then reaching out to the Pro Life group and bringing them in............

    I know for myself would never contribute to Komen because of their grants to PP and for other reasons but that is my choice just like it is Komen's choice to decide where their funds will be allocated........

     Let's face it.......Komen is sc**ed by one group or the other depending on their decisions......if they continue to send grants to PP many conservative groups will not contribute to their cause and if they decide to limit their grants to PP the Progressive groups will withdrawal their support.....

    Komen must decide where and how their funds will be distributed.......

    and you know those numbers have been crunched...........

    and we see the results.........

    shokk

  • Maire67
    Maire67 Member Posts: 768
    edited February 2012

    Planned Parenthood is just that...plan your children. It isn't an abortion clinic.   

    There are other forms of birth control available besides the pill. 

     Could it be that my bc was caused by unopposed estrogen? Who knows?  

    With so many uninsured woman Planned Parenthood serves the poor and the middle class....many of the so called "middle class" are now without health benefits. 

    When someone goes for consultation at PP for an unexpected pregancy ...many walk out after making the decision to have the baby.   It's not just abortions.   It's a form of prenatal care too.  Do you want a baby to be born if you have STDs from your husband.

    One more note....Susan B. Komen started out with a good purpose BUT like any other big institution you cannot put your total faith in it....it is run by people not saints.   It is not sensible to put all your faith in one group to solve the problems of the world. We are all looking for someone to save us but we need to save ourselves.  

    So speak with your feet....walk for another cause...send your donations to other organizations.  Rules can be quickly changed back when enough people call, write etc. 

    I am not in favor of abortion for myself.   It is a matter of each individual's conscience and their relationship with their god.   I am in favor of loving my neighbor and taking care of those who cannot afford care for whatever reason.  

    P.S.  I tried to contact Susan B Komen through their website and it is down right now. I hope it is all the 'walkers' who are keeping the lines busy.  Writing letters via snail mail doesn't hurt either.  

  • nancyc57405
    nancyc57405 Member Posts: 39
    edited February 2012

    I've been doing lots of research on Komen since the Tues announcement of their defunding of Planned Parenthood. For those who want to read more, here are some links to articles that may blow your minds.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/01/1060885/-Behind-the-Pink-Curtain-Komens-Political-Agenda?via=siderec


    http://www.alternet.org/story/14014/?page=entire

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited February 2012

    Thanks, Nancy. I saw that first article this morning and I am still reeling.



    L

  • MiniMacsMom
    MiniMacsMom Member Posts: 595
    edited February 2012

    Not trying to incite anything, but can anyone name a national organization that we can donate to or komen can donate to that ONLY does breast health for women, especially women who are low or no income.  I sure can't think of one.  Yes there are local programs maybe in some areas, but the beauty of PPis the availablity of it, its so widely available.  I have yet to hear/find another national chain of low income clinics.  Please (nicely) let me know if I am wrong so we can forward the info onto Komen and maybe they can donate their money to a Breast Health only chain. 

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited February 2012

    nancyc - awesome links - very interesting and disheartening reading.

  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited February 2012

    MiniMacs -- you're so right. And that is why, whenever a low-income woman posts here on BCO saying she has a breast concern but can't afford to go to a doctor, I ALWAYS refer her to PP. I don't need to know where she lives -- many women don't or won't say -- but almost wherever she is in the US, PP is somewhere pretty nearby.

    Suck it, Komen. 

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited February 2012

    Like the CT affiliate of SGK, the Denver affiliate of SGK is continuing to fund PP as one of their grantees for the 2012 - 2013 grant cycles......

  • painterly
    painterly Member Posts: 602
    edited February 2012

    Sounds like good timing for the movie "Pink Ribbons Inc." to be released. Starts tomorrow. You can see details on this thread:

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/73/topic/781178?page=1#idx_6

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited February 2012

    shokk, respectfully, they clearly did NOT anticipate the level of banklash they have received. Or maybe they just don't care. They are now an ideologically anti-choice political organization. They should be stripped of their charitable, tax-exempt status.

    I also don't know where you are getting your statistics that most Americans are against abortion. Most Americans favor very limited restrictions on abortions, such as late term, but other than that most Americans are pro-choice. 

  • Booboo2
    Booboo2 Member Posts: 59
    edited February 2012

    I think that the abortion issue is being blown all out of proportion here.  Planned Parenthood does do some abortions but it isn't their major business by any means.  My worry is that they prescribe estrogen to teenage girls.  Should an organization that gives estrogen to 14-year olds qualify for a breast cancer grant?  I would say definitely not.  That is the issue here, not abortion.

  • angelsister
    angelsister Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2012

    What would you suggest for a sexually active teenager who is responsible enough to be avoiding unplanned pregnancy?

  • Booboo2
    Booboo2 Member Posts: 59
    edited February 2012

    Tell the guy to use a condom.

  • MiniMacsMom
    MiniMacsMom Member Posts: 595
    edited February 2012

    I can't remember where it is, but I read the article on here.  There are pros to birth control use, other than pregnancy.  I was on it for a long time for PCOS issues.  EVERY DRUG has side effects, but we have to choose between them.  The risk of one of those girls getting BC is still very low.  Most BC pills are not made with ER anymore they are PR and other hormones.  THere is also the copper IUD that is safe for those of us who are ER positive.  Has there been a direct link made between any form of BC and an increased risk for BC.  I know that one article I read on BCO said they recommend giving nuns or women who never have kids Birthcontrol because it reduces the risk of other female cancers.  Sorry I can't pull up the art of details, but it was on this website.   I don't forsee an amicable end to this discussion.... :(

  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    yorkiemom,

    You said, "They are now an ideologically anti-choice political organization. They should be stripped of their charitable, tax-exempt status."

    I whole heartedly disagree.  For Komen to be politically neutral, if they fund PP, they should fund Pregnancy centers which are against baby killing.  Or they pull funding from PP (which they did - clap clap) and don't fund other pregnancy center either.  AND THEN they fund the facilites (hospitals) which actually administer mammograms and other screening.

    When I feel Komen is endorseing killing babies by funding PP, I am told Komen's funds go only for breast health care at PP.  However, if they pull funding from PP and distribute that funding to continue meeting the same womens needs (which they promised to do) maybe at clinics and hospitals, suddenly they are "anti-choice". I thought it wasn't about abortion? I thought it was about breast health care, which Komen promises to continue, just not through the politically charged PP.

  • angelsister
    angelsister Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2012

    They do a lot of that too! Should docs who prescribe the pill for girls with period problems be rebuked too?

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited February 2012

    I ran across a couple of interesting articles:

    http://www.nonprofitmarketingguide.com/blog/2012/02/01/the-accidental-rebranding-of-komen-for-the-cure/

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/top-susan-g-komen-official-resigned-over-planned-parenthood-cave-in/252405/

    Komen will now be known as an anti-choice breast cancer group rather than just a breast cancer group.  

    I am not pro-abortion.  I am pro-choice.  Komen has lost my support. 

    Edited to Add:  Nancyc, thanks for your links.  Interesting reading. 

  • SAB
    SAB Member Posts: 1,498
    edited February 2012

    Well loves xmas I can see that we will not be agreeing.  I get just as sick as you do, thinking about Komen and the religious right witholding health care and trying to foist their beliefs on others!  Picking and choosing who believes the "right" way to be saved.  And the misinformation about PP makes me sick too.  PP prevents as many as 220,000 abortions every single year through providing health care, education and contraception to underserved women.  They are a health services organization with a heck of a lot more transparancy (and ethics) than Komen. 3% of their services consist of abortion, none of it taxpayer monies (though I would rather pay for health care than wars.) 

    shokk I don't know why you think that the country is "vastly" anti-choice.  Gallup says that 53% of people still believe that abortion services should be available within medical guidelines/parameters. 

  • angelsister
    angelsister Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2012

    Im not pro abortion I'm pro health for women

  • Booboo2
    Booboo2 Member Posts: 59
    edited February 2012

    To cynsister

    A doctor who prescribes the pill for a medical problem should not be rebuked.  My point about birth control is that there are other non-drug ways to do it, which are a lot safer.  As all of us here know, treatments that are necessary can have unwanted side effects. 

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited February 2012

    Faye, I USED to think Komen was about breast care too. Their blatant anti-choice move against PP, disproved that false belief.

  • nancyc57405
    nancyc57405 Member Posts: 39
    edited February 2012

    For those who expressed gratitude for the articles that I posted earlier about Komen. You're very welcome. Here's the rest of the story.

    For those that may want to explore the issue of how Komen spends it's money, and how it is or isn't living up to it's stated goals, here are 4 articles written by a accountant with many years of experience of financial analysis, who herself is living with metastatic (stage 4) breast cancer.

    http://cancerculturenow.blogspot.com/2011/01/komen-by-numbers.html

    http://cancerculturenow.blogspot.com/2011/01/komen-by-numbers-context-of-research.html

    http://cancerculturenow.blogspot.com/2011/02/komen-by-numbers-education-in-focus.html

    http://www.cancerculturenow.blogspot.com/2011/03/komen-by-numbers-2010-and-still-no.html

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited February 2012

    Hey All, 

    This issue has understandably stirred alot of emotions. We accept that not everyone will agree with one another on this situation, and want to thank you for your continued respect as you continue to discuss. 

    With gratitude,

    Your Mods 

  • angelsister
    angelsister Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2012

    My point about birth control and the pill is that has never been and will never be as cut and dried as fluffy pink right wing people would like it to be. If it was as easy as 'tell the guy to wear a condom' that would be just dandy but. .It isn't.

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