Komen and Planned Parenthood

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  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited February 2012

    Cycle Path I understand the mission statement of PP......but what does that have to do with finding a cure for Breast Cancer?

    the shamefully dense shokk

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited February 2012

    Robo yes it is sad that so many children are homeless or lost in the Foster Care system and let's not forget about dogs and cats also that are destroyed because people won't take the time to have their pets spade or neutered but again what does that have to do with PP help in finding a cure for breast cancer?

    shokk

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited February 2012

    SHOKK,

    PP has nothing to do with finding a cure for breast cancer.  Komen's mission includes things other than the cure, including education and treatment.  I cut & pasted their mission statement a few pages back.  Their contribution to PP had to do with treatment assistance.  

  • HKitty71
    HKitty71 Member Posts: 141
    edited February 2012

    Frankly I am totally dissappointed in Komen, first their director is now an ex politician who ran on an anti Planned Parenthood platform does it surprise anyone that it came to this.

    I wish people would realize that PP is more than abortions, I had a friend of mine who due to her financial situation used it for her annual health screenings, birth control and healthcare and they did a wonderful job of providing her with excellent care. 

    Komen your interests are not impartial anymore.

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited February 2012

    I understand Komen's mission statement............

    I was talking about PP mission statement.........

     PP does not treat breast cancer........nor do they research for finding a cure for breast cancer.....

    very few young people that would go to PP for would be there for breast cancer screening......

     I don't know of many women in our age group that would go to PP for Breast Cancer education.......

    I think by the time we reach the age of having to deal with BC that even if we don't have insurance we know that it is the County Services that would help us and provide us with the resources to be screened for bc..........and possibly treated for bc........because we would be using Public County resources for all our medical needs.......

    PP is not free.......if you need free assistant you have to provide proof of income......w-2's, unemployment records, food stamps........and then they decide what you will be required to pay......

    the average age of women using PP are 25........and yes there are women that are dx with bc in their twenties but that is the exception not the norm.........

    so again as dense as I am I don't understand what PP has to do with the treatment or finding a cure for Breast Cancer.......or for that matter even the education of breast cancer.....I just can't imagine that is what their patients are there for.........

    shokk

  • cycle-path
    cycle-path Member Posts: 1,502
    edited February 2012

    "I understand the mission statement of PP......but what does that have to do with finding a cure for Breast Cancer?"

    BC has many moving parts -- prevention, detection, treatment. As far as I know, PP is not involved in prevention or treatment, but they're very involved in detection. I don't believe I've seen you in the parts of BCO where I hang out, but in those areas there are lots of low-income women who are looking for ways to get a free or low-cost breast exam. I always refer them to PP because I know PP will help them locate an affordable exam. 

    "very few young people that would go to PP for would be there for breast cancer screening" 

    That's untrue. Many, many young women go there for breast exams.

     

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited February 2012

    A couple of pages back there was a pie chart for how Komen dispenses their money.

    Notice how much of the pie goes to education versus research, versus treatment?

    Education no doubt includes all those fancy brochures they print out to get people to Race for the Cure, etc.  Educating people with fancy brochures and mailings costs a bundle.  Too bad they couldn't put more money into research or maybe helping out those women that don't have insurance and have $250K worth of treatment costs!

    Komen has never gotten my money nor will they ever get my money, energy, or walk time.

  • LovesChristmas-Barb
    LovesChristmas-Barb Member Posts: 706
    edited February 2012

    I'm with Komen on this one for the same reasons that cimo37 stated on page one of this thread.

    Now I finally can tell my family and friends that they can donate to Komen!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2012

    athena, you said : After facing pressure from anti-women's health political organizations,

    Do you know which ones? Was Big Pharma involved as well?

    tucker

  • LovesChristmas-Barb
    LovesChristmas-Barb Member Posts: 706
    edited February 2012

    There is no doubt in my mind that many women who have breast cancer today have it because of the birth control pill. It has has been labeled a Class 1 carcinogen by the World Health Organization.

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited February 2012

    Mamalioness exactly who are the "anti-women health political organzations".........

    Are you referring to pro life political organzations?.........

    Just because a person or a group of people are pro life does not mean they are anti women's health.....

    they just believe that life begins at conception.........

    shokk

  • LovesChristmas-Barb
    LovesChristmas-Barb Member Posts: 706
    edited February 2012

    I never took the birth control pill either but that doesn't mean that birth control pills don't cause breast cancer. Look at the American Cancer Society website. They list carcinogens and they list the birth control pill as a carcinogen causing breast cancer.

    There has also been studies done that show that women who have abortions also have a higher rate of breast cancer....but no one talks about it too much because it isn't politically correct.

    I am not anti-women's health. Planned Parenthood murders baby girls...future women. How is that helping their health?

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited February 2012
  • SAB
    SAB Member Posts: 1,498
    edited February 2012

    Really Barb, I respect you and have always enjoyed your posts, but accusing an organization like PP of murder is just uncalled for.  Why don't you read the whole thread?  Planned Parenthood has saved so many "babies" through their education, contraception, treatment and counseling. More than any right wing organization. I say "babies" because some of us do not believe as you do that a few cells=baby.  I respect your religious and personal beliefs, but believe me they are not shared by all of us. They are definitely not shared by me.

    Planned Parenthood is a firewall between poor women and illness or worse.  I went there when I was young and had no money and nowhere to turn after a terrible incident.  Unlike some religious organizations they explain all options in a respectful and complete manner.  Later in life, my work associate went there, and found her breast cancer.  My daughter's friends go there.  My younger daughter's school has them come in each year for education and frank discussions with our kids.

    Komen is a private political organization and when your family donates to them they are supporting a political cause.  That's OK, that's your right, but don't cound on Komen for a cure to anything but personal freedom.

    I donated as much as I could afford to Planned Parenthood today, not because I think they will cure my cancer, but because political movements should not control our access to health care.   When I can, I will find another organization to donate to who does not have a zealot at the helm, who is not in bed with Washington and who believes that research is more important than power and publicity. 

  • jyg
    jyg Member Posts: 198
    edited February 2012

    I am calling anyone out who says induced abortions cause breast cancer. There is NO scientific evidence to support that belief. If you find one, give me the reference ( the original study) so we can discuss the fatal flaws (case-control design, e.g.) Pregnancy hormones alone account for a short term increase in breast cancer risk. In prospective studies, which are not subject to recall bias, the association between breast cancer & spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) and elective abortion are the same.



    As a public health physician and one who worked at PP during residency years (eons ago) doing contraceptive counseling, STI screening and treatment, and breast cancer screening, I can assure you that women of all ages rely on PP for their preventive health care. I am not pro-abortion. I strongly support women being able to control their reproductive health and have access to preventive care irregardless of ability to pay.



    Komen made their decision months ago. Why announce it now except the FL Congressman who is investigating PP just happened to have the spotlight on his state because of the GOP primary. This was pure politics. Screw women. Poor women.



    I still stand with PP.

  • Joanne58
    Joanne58 Member Posts: 1,117
    edited February 2012

    PatMom--I appreciated your sensible post--thanks!

    Despite the different opinions on this thread, I really like reading about all the donations BCO ladies are freely giving to whomever they choose.  Times are tough, but you still find enough to give and help others.  You ladies are the best!

  • sling99
    sling99 Member Posts: 106
    edited February 2012

    The documentary Pink Ribbon Inc. will be released in movie theatres soon. Watch it and see why the pink ribbon campaign is losing support. Food for thought on where you want to donate your money.

  • CTMOM1234
    CTMOM1234 Member Posts: 633
    edited February 2012

    The Connecticut affiliate of Susan G. Komen for the Cure said in a statement yesterday (Feb.1st) that "it will continue funding Planned Parenthood of New England." I'm proud to live in a state where health and well-being are placed above politics.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/susan-g-komen_n_1247262.html?ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#s655888&title 

  • CTMOM1234
    CTMOM1234 Member Posts: 633
    edited February 2012

    The Connecticut affiliate of Susan G. Komen for the Cure said in a statement yesterday (Feb.1st) that "it will continue funding Planned Parenthood of New England." I'm proud to live in a state where health and well-being are placed above politics.

    Sorry for dup.post, weird font above 

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited February 2012

    I never said "anti-women" . That was the pp statement I excerpted for informational purposes. The italics and my intro should have made that clear. Let's not misquote each other folks. This topic is touchy enough.

  • GreenEyes57
    GreenEyes57 Member Posts: 17
    edited February 2012

    How disappointing the Komen foundation caved into pressures from the groups that have no interest in women's health but their own personal beliefs.  It is all about their side winning.  PP is a place where a woman of any age can walk in and have access to health care no questions asked.  Has Komen said what they will do with the funds previously earmarked for PP?  I HATE politics -  Komen is just become a pawn of the pro life organization.  i will not be involved in Komen events in the future.  I will not be raising any monies for Komen -  This made me get a hot flash grrrrrrrrr.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited February 2012
  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited February 2012

    greeneyes - maybe you mean pro-life?  PP would be pro-choice.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited February 2012

    Ohh....that video with its heated denials and Rovian language. Thanks though Mods!

  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    Okay, Komen says:

    "We regret that these new policies have impacted some longstanding grantees, such as Planned Parenthood, but want to be absolutely clear that our grant-making decisions are not about politics.  Throughout our 30 year history, our priority has always been and will continue to be the women we serve.  As we move forward, we are working to ensure that there is no interruption or gaps in services for the women who need our support most in the fight against breast cancer."

    They are working to ensure no gaps are created from their new policy.  My understanding of this is they are going to make it so those women from PP who need screening will get it, maybe just not the same way it happend before?  According to PP website the actual breast cancer testing and screening (other then breast exam) are referred to other facilities.  What stops Komen from giving grants to these facilities to fund those mammograms and such?  Heck, even my small town hospital offered free mammograms, which I wouldn't be surprised to find they were funded by Komen.  I know Komen was working with our local hospital to try and help the women in our community.

    I would argue that some of you that are so upset that this is a political move on Komen's part are just as guilty of being political. You are pissed that the money isn't going to PP.  I see Komen still promising to help these women, but you are upset because the money isn't going through PP.

    Just my thoughts on the matter.

  • misswim
    misswim Member Posts: 931
    edited February 2012

    I am living proof that Planned Parenthood's breast screenings work. It was the diligence of my Planned Parenthood caregiver that got me a referral to the breast surgeon who diagnosed my early stage breast cancer. If not for them, my story could have had a very different outcome. I for one have a major issue with Komen putting politics above the lives of women like myself. It makes me sick. PP literally saved my life. I have always felt that their policies were suspect and choose instead to support the Avon Foundation, where I know my money is going toward reasearch, and in helping underserved populations receive the breast health care they need.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2012

    Thanks Mods for posting this but it sounds like more CYA empty speech to me. "Not pulling current grants" Yeah we get that. You are pulling future grants. Saying it isn't political doesn't make it so. I will still support cancer/breast cancer research but through other organizations.

    I would like to add if you are pulling your donations (like I am) from Komen be sure to place those donations with other breast cancer/cancer research organizations. We don't want lack of funding to stop the search for a cure (I think that's legal for me to say or is it "for the cure" that they own). The funding can now come from another place other than Komen.

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited February 2012

    I agree - it is a total CYA.  I guess they didn't expect this kind of backlash?

  • tedwilliams
    tedwilliams Member Posts: 178
    edited February 2012

    Thanks Lago.....I signed.  My husband and I have supported Planned Parenthood for the last 25 years.  My kids will not be walking in my honor to support Komen.  We are already looking for a research grant to contribute to instead.  

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited February 2012

    This will turn out to be a good thing in the end if more people donate their money to organizations that will actually support research instead of the pink ribbon nonsense that just supports Komen.

    IMO what we need to do is get the word out to our friends and family that there are better places for their money than those walks and that plunking pink ribbons all over the place has not reduced the deaths from breast cancer a bit. 

    And that was true long before all this hoopla IMO. 

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