Komen and Planned Parenthood

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  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    SAB

    I do not think your statement was a fair one.

    "Those of you who are against PP are against women's health services for poor and underserved populations."

    I believe women's health services for poor and underserved populations are a good thing, but killing babies is a horrible thing, so I am against PP for that reason.

    It would be like me saying, "Those of you who are against Susan G Komen are against finding the cure."  That would be an incredibly inaccurate statement as there are many reasons people could be against Susan G. Komen that doesn't involve what they do to find a cure.

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited February 2012

    But forcing a Private Non Profit to donate to anyone is going against the very argument you are trying to make.........Komen should not have to donate to anyone they chose not to for whatever reason they may have...........

    I personally think for you gals that are upset about Komens decision it is a great idea to donate directly to PP.....that way since a percentage of the money you raise for Komen is used for their overhead and you know that the money you donate to PP is going directly for the purpose in which you intend for it to be used.........

    shokk

  • SAB
    SAB Member Posts: 1,498
    edited February 2012
    Well Faye, I see your point.  Perhaps I overstated my assertion that women who don't support PP don't support other women.  But you certainly did not do your research.  Blanket ad hominem statements calling Planned Parenthood "baby killers" is the kind of misleading nonsense that deteriorates services to poor and underserved women.  75 percent of women who use PP have incomes below 150 percent of the poverty line. These women recive education, contraception, cancer screening, std treatment, and other wellness services that  prevents more than 620,000 unintended pregnancies each year, and with the overall figures for percentages of abortions to pregnancies that means that PP prevents 220,000 abortions every year. That's the fact. Nobody wants abortion...even those of us who believe in choice...but in my opinion PP is one of the few organizations that is actively helping to prevent it. 
  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2012

    "Over the past five years, Komen funding has provided nearly 170,000 clinical breast exams out of more than 4 million nationwide at Planned Parenthood health centers. Komen has also provided more than 6,400 out of 70,000 mammogram referrals." source linky

    Who's going to pay for that now? Oh right these women will just go without. So much for supporting early detection.

  • bigdogmom2
    bigdogmom2 Member Posts: 40
    edited February 2012

    Oh SAB may I use some of your quotes??  I am going crazy on FB right now with trying to explain this and you have done it so well!!!

  • EnglishMajor
    EnglishMajor Member Posts: 2,495
    edited February 2012
  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited February 2012
  • SAB
    SAB Member Posts: 1,498
    edited February 2012

    The info is from PP annual report and fromthe link below...I'm sorry that I didn't attribute it, my fingers were just shaking with rage.  

    http://www.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/04/08/what-planned-parenthood-actually-doesbesides-prevent-nearly-a-quarter-of-a-million-abortions-every-year&view=comments 

  • CorinneM1
    CorinneM1 Member Posts: 539
    edited February 2012
  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited February 2012

    Well if the women that are upset about Komen's decision.....which I would imagine is in the thousands........if each one of you would make a small donation to PP would likely more then cover the amount that Komen was donating anyway........

     and remember PP is not free.........just to have a PAP screening is 80 dollars.....if your income is zero......

     shokk

  • bigdogmom2
    bigdogmom2 Member Posts: 40
    edited February 2012

    Thank you SAB!  Yes mine are too at the moment ;0)

  • crazy_daisy
    crazy_daisy Member Posts: 5
    edited February 2012

    I just sent this to Susan B Komen at the contact us/report bad behaviour section:

     "The news that you are planning to stop funding Planned Parenthood has me amazed and outraged.  In fact, my initial response started with an 'f' and ended with a 'u'.  I was recently diagnosed with breast cancer.  I KNOW many women would have gone undetected/untreated without the assistance of Planned Parenthood.  

    I will actively discourage any and ALL who will listen from supporting anything Susan G Komen.  This makes me so angry.  There are plenty of foundations out there supporting bc research, including Susan Love, who, btw, seems to be better focused on research.  Good bye; it's not me, it's YOU.  I won't wish you any luck.  I'm sure you can understand if you try real hard. "

  • crazy_daisy
    crazy_daisy Member Posts: 5
    edited February 2012

    and yes, i just made a donation to PP.

  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    SAB

    I do appreciate what you posted about PP actually reducing the number of abortions which could possibly happen if the education/birth control were not happening.  That is an encouraging fact, and one step in the right direction.  I'm curious if there are centers out there which provide all the health care/education and do not fund/facilitate baby killing.  That I could stand behind.

    But it still doesn't change the fact that I can not in good conscience support PP, directly or indirectly.  The reality without any sugar coating on it is that if a PP funds or facilitates even 1 abortion, they are actively participating in baby killing.

    I hope you don't feel I'm attacking you.  I enjoy discussing tough topics.  I can appreciate others perspectives.  I can see where you are coming from.

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited February 2012

    Donated to PP.  Shame on Komen and shame on all "pro-lifers" who applaud Komen's decision to discontinue funding for life-saving procedures.

    SHAME 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2012

    We are all entitled to our beliefs but the law states abortion is legal and it isn't killing. I respect your right to believe it is. I also respect the right for all to be able to choose. No one wants to have an abortion. It's called pro-choice not pro-abortion for a reason. No one is pro-abortion.

    From my understanding the Komen money doesn't fund abortions and as pointed out this is a very small part of what PP actually does.

    Yes I donated today to PP as well.

  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    Law could state that a dog turd is a flower, that doesn't change the truth.  It is still a dog turd.  :-) 

    If a person really believed abortion was not killing a baby, why is it such a tough choice?

  • crazy_daisy
    crazy_daisy Member Posts: 5
    edited February 2012

    Deciding I wanted a mastectomy was also a tough choice.  ;-) 

  • angelsister
    angelsister Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2012

    Because the alternative is often bringing a child into the world when parents dont have the emtional, physical or financial means with which to support them? Because most choices especially for young or under priviledged women are tough? It shouldnt have been such an easy choice for Komen because needing organisations like PP does not make women less vulnerable to breast cancer!

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited February 2012

    Deciding whether to buy food or get that suspicious lump checked out would also be a tough one.

  • SAB
    SAB Member Posts: 1,498
    edited February 2012

    Faye, Not all of us consider cell scrapings sacred. I respect your right to do so, but don't expect me to agree with your religious beliefs.

    Lago, I posted a chart a page back indicating that 3% of PP funds go to abortion services.  Not one penny of that 3% is taxpayer money, it comes from private donations.  I have to fund wars and Viagra with my tax dollars, but they don't have to fund abortion services even if a woman's life is endangered.    

    Signing off now to take shokks advice and follow your good example--donating to PP right now. 

  • angelsister
    angelsister Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2012

    Precisely! This is about politics and business when it should be about people. The law could also state that low income people dont deserve the same healthcare and Komen could agree but that doesnt change the fact that its a crock..

  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    If parents aren't emotionally, physically, or financially set to raise a child, there is adoption. 

  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    SAB, it's not about religion, it's about life. 

    And to me it is about people, including the unborn people.

  • Nico1012
    Nico1012 Member Posts: 1,492
    edited February 2012

    "Susan G. Komen Loses Support After Planned Parenthood Decision"   Outstanding! If there is one thing SGK Foundation does understand, it's money!!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/susan-g-komen_n_1247262.html

  • angelsister
    angelsister Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2012

    Faye ive read your previous posts which were all, everyone one, considered and supportive so please dont feel i was attacking you or your beliefs but in my experience it is the women and families who need support from places like PP no matter what ones view on abortion, who need these services the most. I deplore the idea that someone is going to die because of callous decisions made by a corporation like Komen, an organisation which is far from squeaky clean itself. Best wishes

  • Faye33
    Faye33 Member Posts: 180
    edited February 2012

    cynsister...No, I don't feel attacked, a little outnumbered, but I'm OK with that. :-)  I just enjoy deep conversations... it challenges me, and I hope it does the same for others.

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited February 2012

    This isn't even about abortion.  It's about Komen inventing a policy to fit a current situation - one "investigation" launched by Cliff Stearns from Florida.  He's asked for financial records from PP and 83 affiliates going back as much as 13 years!  It's obviously politically motivated and it's also obvious he cares nothing about the women served by PP.  

    I hope the Republicans enjoy their brief moment of obfuscation and obstructionist glory.  It won't last much longer. 

    The war on women continues.

  • momof3boys
    momof3boys Member Posts: 896
    edited February 2012

    My viewpoint: any money donated to Komen is intended by the giver and is assumed by the giver that it is going to "find a cure" for BREAST CANCER! We all know this isn't the case, unfortunately.

    Before I was diagnosed, I was blissfully unaware of this and donated a lot of money to Komen and the "Race for the Cure". I would love the public to become AWARE that the lion's share of money is not going to research for breast cancer.

    If you want to support Planned Parenthood, donate to them directly. I don't believe that Komen should take donations and disperse them to organizations that dispense birth control pills that may be a cause of BC! Nor should they, for example, disperse money for any other cause other than the one intended by the donors. I think they are deceptive and I can't wait for the movie "The Pinking of America" to come out. Maybe then our money/donations will get into the hands and teams of actual researchers, not a controversial corporation and money making cog like Komen.

  • angelsister
    angelsister Member Posts: 474
    edited February 2012

    I agree momof3boys i was involved in the 'pink' for a long time but now we donate to local cancer societies and research orgs. Your right there does have to be transparency when people are donating money and devoting time. This may end up meaning that more money gets to where its needed

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