January 2012 chemo

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  • PCBarbie66
    PCBarbie66 Member Posts: 84
    edited January 2012

    Lumpynm~I have always had good veins..my ONurse says I have veins the size of canons.  Even after the second infus. yesterday I have no discomfort in my RT arm, the arm that NO nodes were taken out of.  I have extreme pain from pricking my finger for the blood work before chemo, and they said they will not do that again and use the Pipe line they install for the Chemo to get the blood next time.

    They did stick me on an antibiotic for the next 6 days as I have severe Nasal inflamation and they want to make sure I haven't gotten a head cold already. 

  • Shell-Seeker
    Shell-Seeker Member Posts: 49
    edited January 2012

    Nancy, You did some homework. Thanks!

    We need to remember this is on page 20.

    I dont understand most of the chemo lingo.

    Im going to go look up what Im on cause I dont think I gave the right info.

    Here goes:

    Fluorauacil,Doxoubicin (red stuff),cyclophosphamide x4 every three weeks

    Then I will do one of the Taxene or Taxol drugs with Herceptin and something else 12 x weekly or he may choose to do every three weeks which will take forever.

    RADS 6 weeks daily.

    Herceptin one year.

    Is there anyone else who has to do 12 of the Taxol drugs? Seems like alot to me.

    My haed feels weird. Wonder if my hair will survivve the weekend?

  • PCBarbie66
    PCBarbie66 Member Posts: 84
    edited January 2012

    Karen ~ We go back to Sloan Kettering for my shot the next day (today)... Sloan had checked this out before we even knew, and made us aware our Horizon plan had a cap on prescriptions (never needed to know that till now) we were told the cost was $8,000. a shot..it could have maxed out a prescription plan...Going back to the facility bills it out differently-not as a prescription ...we chose to go back to be safe and it is only 33 miles away...and my nurse can check me out...makes me feel a little better to hear "really, your doing great, this is all normal" before the weekend starts.

    Momof2inME~A First couldn't figure out yesterday if I was more anxious the second time or the first time ...Fist was the unknown and second was the Knowing what was coming...But during the infusion I was definitely better on the second (and I opted for NO Ativan this time) I asked more questions, I have better pain killers now, I know when the SE's are going to hit...I am ready and better prepared this time, I have more confidence, I will take those pills faster instead of waiting for it to get bad, I had to dig and find a lighter/brighter side...Don't get me wrong I'm not made of stone, I started to cry (emotional reasons not pain) after 5 minutes in the chair, and the last session nurse came over smoothed things over and I was fine after that....It's the bits of kindness and compassion that I receive...that a latch onto and hold & expand...I get those bits on this board too...
    I need this board~feels like a secret Hug, and...."I'm not a Hugger"
    Barb

  • Momof2inME
    Momof2inME Member Posts: 683
    edited January 2012

    Thank you Barb. It means alot you responded to me. I feel a little better today. Going to take my daughter to her play group and then to Target, just the 2 of us. She loves the smoothies there and well I just love going to Target. Gonna have a date night with hubby on Saturday. Make the absolute most of the next 3 days and try desparately not to fret to much about Monday. Thanks again and I hope you SE's stay minimal for you.... HUGS!!!!

  • PCBarbie66
    PCBarbie66 Member Posts: 84
    edited January 2012

    Momof2inME~I can do Internet Hugs!!!

    Trivial information ~I found out that Longhorns Steakhouse is the slowest 1:30-2:30 pm M-F...our new brunch time...love my steaks, when I have those good days.

  • CharB22
    CharB22 Member Posts: 310
    edited January 2012

    Nancy - you can change my "no rads" to rads now - 35 tx.

    I got my BRCA results yesterday and they are negative. I have mixed feelings about that. I'm happy in one respect because I won't pass this crap on to my boys and future grandchildren, but now I don't know what caused my BC!

    So at this point, the boobs can stay. I need to make a decision about prophylactic removal because of my TN status. My MO says I have a higher rate or recurrance than ER+/PR+ for the first 2-3 years. But TN responds better to chemo. So, if I can get past 4 years, my rate of recurrance actually drops lower then ER+/PR+. And, my change of ovarian cancer is the same as the general population's - another good thing.

    I just don't know if I'll be able to stand that feeling of a dark cloud hanging over me for 4 years.

  • momof3boys
    momof3boys Member Posts: 896
    edited January 2012

    I guess I'm confused about Rads... I had BMX with TE reconstruction. My surgeon said "no radiation, there's nothing to radiate! I got great margins and there's no nodal involvement!" he was adamant. My MO, when I asked her said, "I don't think so, but, I'm not a radiological oncologist, and you have the right to an opinion from one.... So, she referred me (twice as it turns out, couldn't stand the 1st guy). Long story short, even with great margins (they both agreed to that), and no nodal involvement. They explained that my Low Oncotype score (16) is for Distant recurrence, not local recurrence, and since I'm "so young" (43, hahaha, don't feel so young) and tumor was larger than 2 inches, the protocol is to at least do rads to the incisional scar, bring down my 10 year local recurrence rate of 15% to under 5%....

    My MO said that she totally agrees after hearing it explained that way and is glad she referred me to the head of this well respected group. Interestingly, one of her colleagues, a male MO, went thru BC a couple of years ago and also agreed to the incisional scar radiation. My cancer was on the right side, so I'm less worried about heart issues. I do have a lot of time to decide... Wouldn't start until a month after Chemo....

  • CharB22
    CharB22 Member Posts: 310
    edited January 2012

    Grrrr....just got back from getting my white blood cell count checked -- LOW! Ugh....PA doesn't want me to go into work on Monday (I was looking forward to the human contact, instead of my howling cat!) Fortunately, I can work from home. But I miss people. Only eat fruits/veggies that can be washed and peeled, blah blah blah. Stay out of crowds (I wanted to go out to dinner tonight since DH got paid). grumble, grumble, whine, whine.

    Gotta go back for another CBC on Mon. Ugh.

  • Kite
    Kite Member Posts: 265
    edited January 2012

    Sorry Char I bet that is frustrating. Thanks for letting us know your update, I know how you feel about the negative status. I was the same way when I found out. I still got rid of both boobs but that was before I did the test. My situation was a little different though. My left one had to go, and I am young enough I wanted two boobs that looked the same.

    Thanks Nancy for posting all of that! What a lot to do! 

    Not sure if I mentioned this already but after reading the posts about hair coming out and the uncomfortablness of it all, I've decided next Wed (day 14) I will shave my head. Between school, kids, house, homework, I just need to not worrry about it anymore. I appreciate everyone's honestly and openess about their hair loss experience. It makes it less scary.

    School is Fabulous! I absolutely LOVE my classes and my instructors are so good, The material is so intresting to me. Now I can't say that about next fall. Blah! Biology and such are not my thing. So something in me knew to take classes I not only enjoy but am good at.

    Screw this chemo and this cancer it ain't gonna stop this girl!

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited January 2012

    WOW Nancy! Great job...



    Can you alter my 3T to 12T as well. Seems like a couple of us have had that changed :-) Jennt28



    Jenn

  • momof3boys
    momof3boys Member Posts: 896
    edited January 2012

    Hi Char I'm sorry about the WBC... It's so cold here in Northeast PA and we're supposed to get snow tonight and tomorrow. Maybe your husband can order in from the restaurant you were going to and you can get cozy and watch a movie?

    I know it's frustrating... I have 3 boys 16,9,7.... It's so hard staying away from kids parties, basketball games, the carpool. I feel like a hermit. But, I'd rather I have to do this in January and Feb than in the summer... This too shall pass... Hang in there!

  • kblack
    kblack Member Posts: 13
    edited January 2012

    Hi - adding my stats:

    1/12/12, dd 4 x AC, dd 4 x Taxol plus Herceptin for a year (S2 G3 ER+/PR+, HER2+). 

    I'm 38 with 20 month old twin daughters.  Had a BMW with expanders on 12/14/11.  I found the cancer myself during a self exam.  Hadn't had a baseline mamo yet as I had just finished breastfeeding 8 months ago.  In retrospect, it seems the cancer was growing while I was breastfeeding as I used to get blockage all the time in that breast.

    I don't know how I will get up the courage to show up for the 2nd treatment.  I'm sure I will find it, but the first one hit me way harder than I anticipated.  I feel like I will just feel about 100% myself again in time for the 2nd treatment.  But my husband reminded me that that is kind of the point.  I haven't had any issues with hair yet, but plan to shave my head proactively (hopefully) the day of the 2nd treatment (Day 14) or the day after. 

    Did anyone have a SE where they shook?  I basically had the shakes for about 6 days after my first treatment.  I don't know if it was because I couldn't stomach eating very much during that time or if it was all the chemicals in my body, but that was what made the recovery so difficult for me.  Just curious to know if anyone else experienced something similar.

    Thanks! Kim

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited January 2012

    Shell-Seeker: the standard treatment regimes for Taxol are either 3 infusions that are done once every 3 weeks or, the newer regime which is the same amount but spread out as 12 infusions done 1 weekly.

    Technically these really both take the same amount of "time" ie: 12 weeks from first in the body to finally flushing out of the body entirely.



    The second lower dose more frequent regime is becoming more popular due to recent research that has shown less side effects with slightly better chance of not getting any more cancer occurring afterwards (progression free survival).



    Hope that helps :-)

  • CharB22
    CharB22 Member Posts: 310
    edited January 2012

    momof3boys - This low WBC isn't going to stop me! LOL. I asked the PA if I could go to my son's outdoor hockey game -- it's playoffs! This is for the trophy! She said that as long as I bundled up (we're getting that same snow, but not until after 10pm), and stayed away from anyone coughing, it was better for me to be outside because the germs won't transfer as easily and don't live as long in the freezing temps!

    As for the rest of the weekend, I think be watching a lot of OnDemand or have DH get a DVD from RedBox.

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited January 2012

    ely - made the change, thanks for catching that!

    So, what is everyone doing for sleep caps, or cotton caps to wear under wigs?  I have only been able to find these knit wigs caps that remind me of pantyhose, and they might be nice under the wig now, but I don't know if they'll be a good enough barrier when the hair is gone and the scalp is sensitive.  I don't even know where to begin looking for something - wish I had time to just make something!  Thanks!

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited January 2012

    Nancy - I ordered some online from TLC. They are cotton wig caps. They look good and I guess I'll be finding out in a couple of days how comfy they are...



    Jenn

  • CharB22
    CharB22 Member Posts: 310
    edited January 2012
    NancyHB - go to www.tlcdirect.org - it's from the American Cancer Society. I haven't ordered anything there yet, but picked up a catalog from my MO's office. I also have a friend/BC survivor that got stuff from there. They have some sleep caps that I want to get and a few other things. I picked up a sleep cap from a local wig shop, too.
  • grateful33
    grateful33 Member Posts: 58
    edited January 2012

    Hello everyone

    I finally feel like I'm resurfacing from my first AC treatment Wed am. Had the worst nausea as well as headache. Did anyone else have less urination all day(eventho drank 3 L of water) then pee it out hourly overnight in huge amts. so strange

    NCBeach gal- good tip on the Ativan for nausea. Maybe my headach was fromZofran as well

    NancyHB- great work on the list. I wish your first treatment had less side effects. I'm also dd forAC thenT

    Janetanned- hope your treatment goes well. Good luck to you!

    Rachelvk- I am so impressed that you were doing the Rumba. 

    Jenn28 andChar22- thanks for the tips for TLC- I will need to order one. was lost what to do with this

    Kblack- welcome. sorry you had to join our group, but everyone is so supportive and it certainly helps me when I have my treatments to have others to think of and pray for

  • Shell-Seeker
    Shell-Seeker Member Posts: 49
    edited January 2012

    Jenn, Thank You for helping me understand that. I totally get that now. Sounds so much better that what I was thinking.

    Well here we are day 14 and while at my post surgery check up, I reached up and pulled a plug out of my head. It's coming out in clumps of about 20 hairs at a time. If I dont touch it, it stays but I think it will have to go this weekend. Gosh this is hard. I have heard "It's only hair" like 100 times, I think I will be fine when its done and over with. My head is getting very sore.

    My sweet sister sent me a day 14 bouquet of pink flowers.

    Heres a easy scarf idea. I wanted some casual bandana type scarves but the actual bandana is too small so I went and got some material and made 36 inch scarves. You can stitch the edges down or use stitch witch with your iron. I didnt prewash material but should have. Also cut the salvage edges before folding over to make square. The lady in the fabric department can talk you through it. It takes one yard if you want 36 inches. You could do 32 in. or whatever you like. I made 8 for the price of three in TLC catalog. TLC had some real cute ones though and the are fairly priced.

    My chemo lounge at the hospital always has free hats and wraps. I will donate all of mine after too. Maybe even on here as unfortuantly there will continue to be new groups until a cure is found. Maybe someone will need all of my stuff.

  • Deb267
    Deb267 Member Posts: 46
    edited January 2012

    Kim I had the shakes for about 5 to 6 days, I continued to work everyday and my rotation now is in the lab doing blood draws my hand was shaing so bad I had to do the paperwork the other nurse did all the draws. the other nurses have been great

    Today was my first day at work with the wig. again everyone was great, wig takes some getting use to. I went ahead and whipped it off first thing, showed everybody my old bald head iIt was a good moment some of the other African American nurses that wear wigs all the time whipped theirs off too it was all funny got some good wig tips, one of the men there is bald and put my wig on got some good pic. kind of lighten the mood. I love my friends!

  • FLDREAMER
    FLDREAMER Member Posts: 166
    edited January 2012

    A big thank you to everyone on this board.  I continue to read it all when I can.  I'm sorry I was so freaked out the other day over the cost of all this.   I've decided I will fight this like crazy and do all I can to get better.   I had chemo school today.  Thanks to this forum, I knew what to ask and understood all she told me.  Our facility is one large room with about 20 infusion chairs, big screen tv, and it looks out on a pond (snow covered at this time).  There are always three nurses in the area at any given time.  I even got a free wig that I can play around with this weekend to see if I like it.   

    My chemo is now changed to start on Thursday, February 2nd.  I'll get my shot on Fridays.  As for trying to work during chemo, I've finally accepted I cannot plan this like a schedule and have to go with the flow and just wing it to a great extent.

    On the plus/negative side, the workers at my place of employment just went on strike today...first time since 1960.   IF I was working, I'd have to park a long way from the entry, cross a picket line and be concerned about the conditions and emotional stresses that go along with that.  So, it's sad for the workers and the company but good for me that I don't need to be going to work just now.

    Again, a big thanks to all of you. 

  • Janetanned
    Janetanned Member Posts: 532
    edited January 2012

    I had my second AC infusion this afternoon and everything went smoothly.  My blood counts were great, so no delay in treatment. I went to chemo by myself, which was rather nice.  I rested quietly, with no need to carry on a conversation. 

    My room had a wall of windows that faced HUP and Children's Hosp of Philadelphia.  I watched the medivac helicopter land twice on HUP, which made me thankful that I was in my chair not in the helicopter. I could also see the front of CHOP.  At one point I realized that there was a small child standing at one of the widows on a high floor of CHOP watching traffic.  He was so cute!  Again, I was thankful that my own children are all healthy and safe in their own apartments!

    So far, I am feeling better than I did on my first infusion.  I ate sensibly before going, sipped ginger ale and ate some cracker while there, and ate a bland but nourishing meal for dinner.  Unlike the first time, I plan to medicate at the first sign of trouble.  Zofran might not be my first choice since it can cause headaches.  I guess I'll see how I feel if/when I need something.  I did buy the ginger gum that was suggested.  Haven't tried it yet.  I hear it tastes terrible.  I'll let you know.......

    I bought a wig liner and a sleeping cap from the wig store.  Haven't tried them yet.  I also bought some hats on ebay and a Buff Headwear thingy.  Not sure how to wear it yet, but there is a good youtube video showing the possibilities.

  • Janetanned
    Janetanned Member Posts: 532
    edited January 2012

    Speaking of youtube, Someone on the stage4 board posted this video.  It is hilarious.  If you need a laugh, take a look.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_7JJrU9HUg&feature=youtu.be

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited January 2012

    Thank you all for the head gear suggestions - I could not be getting through any of this without your support, love and kindness.

    Keep making changes/updates to the list; I'm an info geek, in some ways, and having a list helps me feel so not alone.  I promise to keep it updated as long as we want!

    I'm glad to hear second treatments are going well.  I'm only on day 2 and feeling really good, so I'm nervous about the next few days.  So far, no real SE.  Classes all day tomorrow, I've been such a mess this week I haven't even cracked a textbook so hopefully I'm alert, aware, feeling good AND can dance around the homework issue with style and class.  :-)  And if I can't, I'll just play the Cancer Card.

    A good, restful and peaceful evening to you all.  And thank you so much for being here, my sisterhood of amazing warriors!!

  • seacretgardn
    seacretgardn Member Posts: 269
    edited January 2012

    Hi ladies, I'm on the beginning in Dec thread but just wanted to drop by.



    Kim I'm on AC also, and have shakiness for at least a week betwwn txs. Usually worse upon the morning.



    grateful, I mentioned the same se day of tx. My first time I was so concerned, also drank 3 liters and when I wasn't peeing, very upset. But up all night. Mardibra on the Dec thread said her nutritionist said it was not unusual. I just had my 4th AC yesterday, drank a ton of water and even asked for extra saline and the same thing happened so I guess it just happens to some.



    My nurse coordinator had suggested asking for extra saline and I dont know if it's only psychological but it makes me feel better and I've gotten it each time.



    Feel well and have a good weekend all.



    Laura



  • CJRT
    CJRT Member Posts: 524
    edited January 2012

    Nancy- Thank you so much for all that work you did on the list! My TCH is a little different- I'm Taxotere, Carboplatin, and Herceptin....not the standard "C" for Cytoxan.  I guess there are 2 regimens called "TCH."  Glad to hear you are feeling good and hope it continues. I really admire that you are taking classes throughout this and your positive outlook in general.  I luckily work only part-time from home doing reports and enjoy trying to keep my mind sharp and distracted throughout all this.

     Hope everyone has a good, minimal side effect weekend. I'm going to try to enjoy mine before having to go in for my next treatment Wednesday. I'm also hoping to shake a cold I picked up from my daughter so that my treatment isn't delayed.

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited January 2012

    CJRT - thanks for the info.  I had heard Carboplatin bandied about, but didn't know much about it, and didn't realize it was used in conjuction with Herceptin and Taxol or Taxotere.  By the time we're through our treatments, we could all become medical professionals!  :-)  Hope you feel better soon, too

    Going to dig myself out of the driveway and head 60 miles east to school; luckily my afternoon class has been cancelled so I'll be able to come home early and nap.  Except for being tired, I really don't feel much else, but it's still early (day 2 post-AC) so I'm waiting...waiting...waiting...  Might be constipated, but will wait until later today to decide if that's the case, or I'm just not eating enough.

    I thought about taking this semester off of school but because of the graduate school rotation I would actually have to take an entire year off - something I don't want to do.  Additionally, I'm the graduate assistant for the MSW program, so they pay my tuition and give me a stipend that has, so far, helped with the medical bills. Luckily (or not so much, really), those I work with and my instructors have all been touched by breast cancer, some personally, so the accommodations they are willing to make will make this time so much easier.  Another blessing.

    Stay warm and dry and safe today!!

  • CharB22
    CharB22 Member Posts: 310
    edited January 2012

    My WBC was low yesterday, so I laid low and didn't do much. But around 10pm, my temp started rising and I felt lousy. I kept an eye on it and fortunately my temp never went above 99.4, so I didn't call the doctor. Also, my lower back was killing me. I wanted to take some ibuprofen, but the paper from the doc said not to with the low WBC. I sent sweet DH to Walmart to get a heating pad and that helped.

    My Neulasta shot was almost a week ago. Do you think the lower back pain and low-grade temp had anything to do with the low WBC?

    Besides the insomnia last night - didn't fall asleep until almost 3am, I feel good today. I'm quaranteening myself, which should be easy because it snowed last night.

  • momof3boys
    momof3boys Member Posts: 896
    edited January 2012

    Hi Char- my lower back pain didn't hit me until day 5 after the Neulasta shot last time. This time, I'm trying the Claritin trick.

    Today is day 3 after my 2nd TC treatment. No nausea, but woke up able to feel every square inch of skin on my body-- kind of like "sore to the touch" it's odd. I think a massage right now would be painful. Put my wig on for the first time today...so sad. Feel bad that I kind of snapped at my baby Cooper (7). He asked me 3 times to take it off and show him my head. I did it cheerfully the first time, so he could see it's just me, then tearfully the 2nd time, then the third time, I snapped, "no, I'm not a circus act!" oh boy. I hate cancer.

  • JoyceNYC
    JoyceNYC Member Posts: 88
    edited January 2012

    Char, my bone pain hit on day 4 after neulasta.  Try claritin.  It really worked for me.

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