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naturegirl2
naturegirl2 Member Posts: 332
edited June 2014 in Alternative Medicine

Ever wonder what has caused us to be in the predicament we are now or have been in?  Me too.  I only had two relatives who have had BC.  I wonder what I have done/ taken or whatever to get breast cancer.  I do know that I was once on birth control pills for some five years from 1972-1977.  I must say I strongly contribute birth control pills with the connection of breast cancer.  Would you believe I know two local women who took Ortho Novem 1/50(same birth control as I once took) and was diagnosed with the same kind of BC as me, infiltrating ductal carsinoma. 

Others?

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  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited January 2012

    Sure, I wonder, but I wouldn't get into blaming yourself too much.  I mean, taking BC pills for five years 30 years ago is hardly a risk factor.  Me, I haven't had kids yet and I am over 30.  I also took BC pills for a really long time.  Other than that, no risk factors.  And I have to say, I have other friends who haven't had kids yet who have been on the pill longer than me and they don't have cancer.  So it's not as simple as saying, "If only I hadn't been on the pill, then this wouldn't have happened."  Especially since I was otherwise very healthy - ate right, didn't smoke or drink, exercised every day, ate broccoli EVERY day...stuff like that.  

    Personally, I think there are a lot of environmental factors in play here, too. 

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited January 2012

    I feel pretty certain mine was directly influenced by Birth Control pills. I took BC for 10 years, and did everything right.... exercised, ate right, breastfed 3 children. BMI under 18. No family history of cancer.

    My doc even told me that I was increasing my risk for breast cancer when I switched brands to one which had higher estrogen.

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited January 2012

    P.S. another strange thing.... when I was nursing my now 4 year old, I kept having clogged ducts on the side that had BC. My little boy refused to nurse on that side.... maybe it tasted bad? 

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited January 2012

    I believe the main contributer (not only due to one thing) to my bc was Premaritan during menapause. I took the pills and the cream. I do wonder in that so many younger women are now being dx with bc if birth control pills is a contributer...don't know?

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited January 2012

    My GP said that Birth Control pills are 5 times the strength of HRT. I asked my surgeon which hormone receptor measurement indicated the cancer could have been caused by taking hormones and she said the ER percentage. With 2 bc's way over 90% ER+ve, I think that taking the pill for many many years caused it - added to that 4 years of HRT.

  • sandilee
    sandilee Member Posts: 1,843
    edited January 2012

    I don't know.  I didn't take BC pills, I have no other risk factors, and I still got BC.  I don't drink, smoke, I'm slender, I exercise and have always been healthy and still am, other than my BC. 

    I don't think you all should be blaming yourselves. I'm sure you know women who smoke, are overweight, drink too much and have taken bc pills, and they don't have cancer.

    My brother had melanoma, diagnosed at 45 and he was dead by 50.  I've had some basal cell skin cancers, and now BC. I think each one of us has a unique biology that may predispose some of us to having abnormal cell replication under certain circumstances that no one could predict- at least at this point.  Are BC and HRT pills a contributor?  Perhaps, but not  just by themselves. Otherwise, BC would be much more prevelant than it is.

     My 83 year old mother has been on HRT- premarin and others- for the last 30 years.  She's cancer free, bless her heart. She also is very overweight and eats unhealthfully.   HER mom, on the other hand, had colon cancer, and her dad, stomach cancer.  My paternal grandmother also died from cancer- ovarian, I think- not sure.  Women have been getting breast cancer long before BC pills and HRT have been prescribed.  IT's NOT YOUR FAULT ladies. Take care.

      

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    To me it's all about the variables and what will affect each one systemically, what upsets the apple cart.  My cart was tipped by...

    ---a trauma (fell in barn, hit head then rammed into by the wagon that had wrapped around my leg which I had been hopping across the room to get off - you gotta laugh, it will help). 
    ---Then there was the exposure to pollution esp. pseudo-estrogen from the neighbor's outside wood boiler which is always in my house. 
    ---And the anger I always felt when dealing with this issue, not being able to open windows and enjoy spring or summer, the birds, work in my garden, swim in the pool, walk on my own property,  I was so angry.  Still struggle.
    ---And I was eating a lot of sugar and the wrong type of dairy which I think can be a factor.
    ---My computer pisses me off and I have to use it all the livelong day.

    ---Hubby is a stress factor but he has his great qualities so I will keep him.

    ---And I used a natural soy-free bio-identical progesterone cream for a few years which would have raised my ratio without me realizing it could, naive, gullible, clueless...... whew..... the mass was right where I massaged the cream in maybe half the time, not smart in any case and I didn't think it would be an issue, but now I wonder.  And now the experts are sayingto apply vaginally or rectally instead.
    ---Stress now.  Foreclosure, bankruptcy so we can flee the outside wood boiler smoke.  Doing this though we had not been late on any payments, but do not have luxury to stay here and fight.  Nor the heart to place a tenant in this situation.
    ---Birth control pills for a few years here and there
    ---Menopause, weight, plus cancer happens in our family though not BC

    This equation and I have encountered cancer.  Breast and nodes.   These variable for someone else may manifest as lung cancer or other. Or no cancer at all.

    I feel like I let my guard down, but somehow I don't blame myself, it is what it is and now to get out of it.  And now, though I am stressed, I feel like we are embarking on an adventure.

    Diane

  • Padiddle
    Padiddle Member Posts: 853
    edited January 2012

    I just want to say that I never took birth control and no family history of breast cancer.  I got invastive ductal carcinoma at 40 years old.  Jean

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited January 2012

    For those who didn't take BC pills, how did you not get pregnant? Sorry for such a personal question, but I only ask because we had an Oooooopz! baby while using condoms..... Just wondering, because several ladies have mentioned that.

  • CTMOM1234
    CTMOM1234 Member Posts: 633
    edited January 2012

    Don't beat yourselves up if you took the pill or hrt. I never did nor did I do much of anything on the "list." But I was born a woman.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited January 2012

    Re:birth control pills, Not every one is fertile myrtle. It turned out I had a deformity in my uterus, not discovered until I did pursue infertility treatment. Wasn't fixable.

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited January 2012

    Chicakadee-  Sorry for asking such a personal question, but it's something I was wondering about. Sorry to hear of infertility issues.  I probably was  fertile when I conceived our 3rd child while not using pills, at the age of 38. He was the baby that wouldn't nurse on my left side, so I wonder if the BC had already started at that point. 

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited January 2012

    It's normal to wonder what our role was in getting our cancer. But it's moot because you can't rewind to change it, and it most certainly has to be multi-factoral. I think as humans, we try to validate our experiences with anecdotes, and consider it to be the "truth." We're analytical creatures, looking for cause and effect. But what we lose sight of in this process is that correlation is not causation. And nor is our search for validation true research. It's just a process for us that fits our values system. We look for what WE believe is true, and we tend not to look at other things.

    I see way more people trying to figure out how they caused their breast cancer than people trying to figure out how they caused their lymphoma, colon cancer, sarcoma, thyroid cancer, etc. Why is that?

  • Layla2525
    Layla2525 Member Posts: 827
    edited January 2012

    No offense intended but if the most highly educated and funded scientists dont know for sure what causes bc....how are we supposed to figure it out on our own? LOL .....lots of us did as much as we could,,,we ate right,exercised,had kids young and breastfed,we did everything we knew to keep healthy but it didnt work and then I see women at work coming in with cakes and fried chicken and they cant even spell the word exercise and some of them...never been sick a day in their lives...go figure. I live in a Kenny Rodgers song (The Gambler).

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited January 2012

    I see way more people trying to figure out how they caused their breast cancer than people trying to figure out how they caused their lymphoma, colon cancer, sarcoma, thyroid cancer, etc. Why is that?

    Good question, Anne.  I've wondered that myself!  There are specific things scientists can point to for causation -- asbestos and mesothelioma, pesticide exposure and certain lymphomas, for example.

    But I have 2 nephews who are dealing with prostate cancer.  Neither of them has spent any time wondering aloud "What caused it?"  or "What did I do to cause it?"  My BIL recently passed away from lymphoma, after having chronic lymphatic leukemia for the past 20 years.  We had many discussions about cancer, but never once did he question "What caused it?"

    Layla, I couldn't agree more!  Cancer researchers all know that cures won't be found until the cause (or causes) is discovered.  Why on earth are we trying to figure it out? 

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited January 2012

    That is a great question, Anne!  I hadn't really thought about that.  I wonder if part of it may be the fact that it's largely a women's disease and women (in general) tend to rely more on intuition.  I see posts here all the time telling people to "trust their intuition" about treatment choices and causes of disease, etc.  I prefer to rely much more on the scientific process over intuition myself, and so that advice to trust my intuition always throws me for a loop.  Can you imagine a man telling another man to trust his intuition about whether to undergo standard treatment for prostate cancer or whether to pursue alternative treatment instead? 

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited January 2012

    We try to figure it out because we want some scrap of control in our lives. But I don't think we can ever do any more than guess. I know that doctors and nurses said to me before diagnosis that I was doing everything right and I wouldn't get breast cancer. Boggles the mind doesn't it? We all did what we could to prevent breast cancer, Many if not most of us did everything right but here we are.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited January 2012

    I hear you.  My onc looked at me during my first appt and said, as she was taking down my history, "Huh.  I wonder why you're here."  And I thought, "You and me both, lady."  Even with my risk factors (the pill, no kids), my risk of getting BC was under 4%.  But here I am - and you can see by my signature that my diagnosis was no joke.  Who knows - maybe my super-healthy lifestyle slowed it down some?  Just glad I went to the doctor when I did and that she didn't dismiss my concerns.

  • ej01
    ej01 Member Posts: 155
    edited January 2012

    I never used Birth Control pills, and have no family history of BC.  I have never been overweight, and had always been active and healthy, but that doesnt mean that I always ate healthy.  Because I never gained weight easily, I always thought I could get away with eating whatever I wanted.  Now I wonder if those early years of eating lots of junk caught up with me and gave me BC.  Also, I used to use plastic water bottles for my workouts (that sometimes sat in a hot car for too long allowing the chemicals in the plastic to de-stabilize.)  Not to mention, plastic containers in the microware.   I really believe that for me it was a combination of unhealthy things that caught up with me.  I feel more empowered thinking I know that factors that contributed to my BC ...i don't beat myself up for it.  Like Rosemary-b said,  "We try to figure it out because we want some scrap of control in our lives"

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Hi - I posted above what variables I think I had before the cancer.  The things I did right are endless too, eating mostly organic, using natural fertilizers, washing and or peeling foods, using personal care products that do not have questionable ingredients, stopped smoking two+ decades ago, on and on.  I would like to know what and why so when this is gone for certain, I will have moved all the possibilities for causation to the other side of the list IF possible, by making different choices.  For instance, plastic bottles, was too lax in so many ways and this ended up being a factor because my ER+ PR+ are 90% each and I cannot afford to screw around with this anymore.  Caused it? Don't know.  A factor, you bet.  Driving the cancer, definitely.  As is the outside wood boiler at the neighbor's, everytime I breathe I am soaking in estrogens, no escape is fast enough from this place.  If I had thyroid cancer or lung cancer, I would be asking the same questions, it is in my makeup though.  But I am not beating myself up, heaven knows I have worse things to worry about that what I did and to feel guilty  or mourn it, but I do want to know all I can.  Am so glad to see this is an active thread.  I think saying it is a therapy, I did this and that, but I am beyond that now, I know more now, I am making changes and spending my time in answers more than the why,l for certain. 

  • SheChirple
    SheChirple Member Posts: 954
    edited January 2012

    So, we all accept that no-one really knows the cause of breast cancer.....

    and yet, there is article after article, and post after post, and recommendations after recommendations to eat less sugar, less starch, avoid this or that, do this or that, all to prevent a recurrence.

    WHY?

    Isn't it best to just live health, happy and stress free and take the radiation, chemo or other medical treatments based on the exact nature of our individual cancers?

  • Ca1Ripken
    Ca1Ripken Member Posts: 1,254
    edited January 2012

    Marianna... when I was nursing my oldest, I also had clogged ducts... same side as the BC... and my middle child, now 10, preferred to NOT nurse on my BC side... my youngest, 5 now, preferred to not breast feed at all... although I did pump for him, and you know I always got more milk from my non-BC side... strange!!  I also had a clean mammo about 18 months before diagnosis which I pulled the report for after this diagnosis, that said I had some things where my tumor ended up being... but that they were not concerning, were benign and needed no further follow-up.  I often wonder if that mammo was for the radiologist's wife, would he have had her follow up??

  • Ca1Ripken
    Ca1Ripken Member Posts: 1,254
    edited January 2012

    Oh, and for birth control... I used a diaphragm, then after our 3rd, I got a copper (no hormones) IUD.  I still have that IUD. 

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited January 2012

    Somewhere I read that women who had clogged ducts tended to be diagnosed with ductal carcinoma at higher rates. Can't recall where.

    As for the "searching for a cause", it is just a personality thing. Some people accept things at face value, while others analyze. I am a natural born researcher, so I tend to read, read, read, read until I am saturated. Why else do I read scientific journals on cancer? Why do I read studies? I wish I had applied this amount of fortitude to my graduate work, because I probably would have ended up with a PhD!  

    I think it just means so much more when you have "skin in the game....."

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012
    Marianna - LOL, that PhD could still happen, I'm thinking about specializing though not the allopathic degree, still somehow, perhaps nutrition and .... dunno know yet. Undecided

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