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  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited January 2012

    After my recent DIEP stage II surgery, my PS wants me in compression 24/7, covering the entire trunk. I have a few Under Armor shirts I've been using for flying, as I have mild truncal (on the side under the armpit) and upper arm LE. But the Under Armor shirts do not play nice with much of my wardrobe, as the neckline (whether V or rounded) is too high for many of my clothes, and the squish factor on the boobs is uncomfortable, with or without a bra. 

    So, I searched for more compression options.  Here is one I found, and I just love it, and I wonder if it might be a stand-in for a light LE compression T shirt some are looking for: http://www.timeformecatalog.com/cgi-bin/timeforme/cate_id/apfsha/prod/95559/item_detail.html?keywords=&srcmode=&sortbyprice

    The shirt has a waffle-type weave that is supposed to 'micromassage'.  It is not a 'wave' pattern like the Arm Care. However, the compression of the shirt is quite good, and I find it is giving me more support than the Under Armors.  The shirt is made in Italy and on the box it is labeled as a 'Medical Device Class 1'.  I have no clue what that means!

    I do not imagine that this item substitutes for a true LE arm sleeve, but as a full-shirt option, it is much more comfortable than Under Armor and has room built in for the boobs. No compression there, but plenty to meet my under-armpit and arm needs. The biggest disappointment is the price: $89.  This catalog also sells some much less expensive compression shirts with scoop necks.  I tried one and I do like it, but it's not as compressive as the one I linked to.

    I tried to paste in a photo from the website, but no luck.

    I have a sleeve and gauntlet coming soon for flying and exercise, so I'll be revising my flying approach, but for light compression, this t-shirt may be of interest to others.

    Carol

    farmacell t shirt

  • Katiejane
    Katiejane Member Posts: 789
    edited January 2012

    Carol,  Do you know if this has a short sleeve version?  I wear compession sleeves on both arms and cannot imagine having both on would be very comfortable......I'm hot all of the time anyway.  :)

    Thanks, Katiejane

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited January 2012
    thanks, Kira: im looking into the new one.. i love the arm care, but had to shorten it in the back, also.. sounds like this might be the fix for it.. i have yet to shorten the arm, but its WAYY too long for me...still juzzing it...3jays
  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited January 2012

    katiejane,  The sleeves are long, so no luck with short sleeves there.  But the same catalog retailer sells two short-sleeve 'shaper' t-shirts. I have both --they are much less expensive than the one I linked to, but have the advantage of lower necklines that are more compatible than the Under ARmors with normal wardrobe items. These shirts do not have as much compression as the long-sleeve item, but I find them to give as much compression as the Under Armors.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Carol, could you tell me about the sizing of the long sleeve top? Before my bilateral mast, I wore a size small shirt or tee, and I definitely do now with my implants removed. However, shape wear is trickly, and sometimes I wear a medium. Does the long sleeve top run small?

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited January 2012

    Tina,

    I'm in a medium/large, which is indicated for sizes 10-12.  I am of medium build, size 10 for pants but 12 for tops, with a B+ cup from my diep recon. The shirt looked humorously small when I opened the package, but it stretches quite a bit, fits me very snugly, but not inappropriately tightly--doesn't bind incomfortably anywhere, but I certainly feel the compression.  The S/M size is indicated for sizes 4-8, which we would all say is quite a size range.  I imagine you would use a S/M and find that it would give you more compression than someone in a size 4.  I haven't needed to return anything, but the products I bought came with 'easy return' labels included.

    Carol

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited January 2012

    Carol, 

    I have LE on the side of my breast and in my breast, and when I fly or get a flair, I use the Under Armour T's, and even the lower V neck, you're right, they can stick out.

    This one though, I am afraid would not work on my boobs! I looked at the large pic, and it looks like there may not be boob compression. Does it give you support there? Thanks for the pointer... 

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited January 2012

    Springtime,

    The shirt does give some boob support, but the fabric is not waffle-textured like the rest of the shirt, so the amount of compression is much less.  For me, the shirt is very very snug even over the breasts, and it seems to be doing a good compression job where I have my truncal issue, which is on the side of my chest, just under the armpit.  I am about ready to look for someone who sews skating or dance wear, to see if I can learn any special tricks about sewing on stretch fabric. Without graduated compression fabric, a homemade shirt would never do what a sleeve does for an arm, but it just seems like making a flight-worthy shirt should be possible. I wonder if anyone looking at this thread has ever tried that.

    We really need a LE fashion convention, to check out each other's garment choices!  I'd bring my whole drawer ful of various compression camis and shirts--ones I have needed to wear for weeks of compression after stages I and II recon, and of course the ones that I'm using for flying. I would love to see--live--all the various compression garments and listed to what everyone says about the plusses and minuses of what they kept and what they rejected.

    Not to mention that wouldn't I just love to meet all the wonderful human beings who post their advice and support here!

    Carol

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited January 2012

    Carol, Okay so if I got it in Small vs Medium, sounds like it may do the trick, and I also have that spot on the side of my chest under my arm pit!!! I think that may be a universal "bad" spot for LE. Like it's trying to get suked up in the arm pit and pooling under instead!!!

    I was just thinking today that Under Armour should make a compresison T without SEAMs!! So this way, i could wear it the correct side out, and not worry about the seams. I wonder if they have any clue how many of us LE people use their shirts. :) 

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited January 2012

    Springtime, how about telling them? Sometimes it helps if manufacturers are aware of us. Under Armor does have a huge October pink splash every year, with biographies of athletic women who have "triumphed" over bc, but not a lympher in sight. Yet we lymphers do use their products. Tell them one researcher's estimate is that at least a third of women who go through bc treatment will eventually develop LE, and ask them if they can do Ts without the pesky seams. There's probably a "contact us" link on their website. Go for it!

    No point leaving them in ignorance!LaughingWink
    Binney

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited January 2012

    Binney, what a great idea to get in touch with Under Armor!  We could ask them to make a scoop neck--one that doesn't hug the back of the neck so closely that it's guaranteed to show under virtually any other garment.  And then there's the logo: practically a headlight!  Perhaps they could locate that elsewhere in a special edition shirt.

    Springtime, let us know if you send an email to the company.  Then it could be worthwhile to have others of us follow up with 'me too' emails, just to add weight to the suggestion.

    Carol

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited January 2012

    Just for fun, I used the bc.org search tool to check for mentions of Under Armor and Under Armour:  240 mentions showed up!  I don't know how far back in time the search checks for posted key words, but it's a pretty good indicator that there's a lot of Under Armour (just verified and that's the correct spelling) being talked about here.

  • cooka
    cooka Member Posts: 278
    edited January 2012

    Hello everyone, I have been reading your posts with interest as a noob trying to develop a good LE wardrobe. I bought some Under Armour shirts but I am also supposed to wear foam block thingies (I am sure they have a better name) under each arm...so I wear an UA shirt, with foam blocks over that, and a bra over that. I did not have reconstruction and finding a bra that hits in the right places without rubbing is tough (the UA helps with chafing). I have been running in this getup, but can't imagine doing this forever. Has anyone tried triatholon compression suits (unis) for sports/workouts? I'm wondering if i can forego the blocks and bra (really p o'ed that I'm still stuck wearing a bra with no boobs) and invest in a good sports compression suit. Realize I need to run this by my therapist but just curious if anyone was doing this...thanks!

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited January 2012

    I do not see a "contact us" on the Under Armour web site! 

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited January 2012

    Springtime, in the top right-hand corner of this page, in tiny print, is a link to click on that says "email." If you click on it, it opens a page with a contact form on it:

    http://www.underarmour.com/shop/us/en/customer-service

    If you're on Facebook or Twitter you can also check out those sites for posting.

    Hope that works!
    Binney

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited January 2012

    Thank you Binney, I sent them an email and apparently, they will get back to me. Here is what I wrote:

    You may or may not be aware of this, but there are an army of women wearing your compression tops who are breast cancer survivors and who suffer from Trunctal Lymphedema. We need te compression when exercising or in air plane flights. We all have to wear your tops "inside out" to avoid the seam.

    Have you ever considered creating a compression top that is seamless on the inside? We would love this! it would be the bomb!

    Just passing on. 

    Thanks for your consideration!  

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited January 2012

    Here is the response from Under Armour!

    Response Via Email (Ali)01/10/2012 09:00:40 AM
    Hi Beverly- 

    Thank you for taking the time to share your feedback with us! 

    We have forwarded your feedback about offering compression shirts that are seamless to the Product Development department for examination. 

    If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to get in touch with us via phone (1-888-727-6687), live chat, or e-mail. We’d be glad to help out any way we can.

    Thank you for choosing Under Armour. 

    Ali F
    Customer Service Representative
    UNDER ARMOUR®
    1.888.727.6687
    WWW.UNDERARMOUR.COM
  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited January 2012

    Bingo!CoolKissLaughing

    Okay, fellow truncal lymphers, now's a good moment to let them know Springtime is not a lone voice.  Here's the link:

    http://www.underarmour.com/shop/us/en/customer-service

    In the top right-hand corner of this page, in tiny print, is a link to click on that says "email." If you click on it, a page opens with a contact form on it.

    Thanks, Spring!
    Binney

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited January 2012

    Done!!!  Becky

  • Journey
    Journey Member Posts: 905
    edited January 2012

    Done!  My request below:

    "I think your company has already received some requests for a seamless shirt design, and I wanted to follow up on that.  As a result of breast cancer surgery, statistically many, many of us end up with a condition called Lymphedema which can cause uncomfortable swelling in our arms, chest, back (we call trunctal).  To prevent additional swelling, and to aid in general comfort we are advised to wear compression camis or shirts.  Since our swelling is as individual as each of us we can not all find the same garment to do the trick - except for UnderArmour shirts.  BUT, the problem we have is that the seams are irritating to our LE.  So we wear the shirts inside out.  Another issue is that because we need to wear these with our everyday clothes the neckline and logos placement can be very problematic.  Please consider a shirt design to fit our unique needs.  No manufacturer has addressed this that is affordable to the average woman.  Thank you for your kind consideration."

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited January 2012

    Done!!  Here's what I wrote (I'm a writer...it's long...):

    "Hello, I know you are hearing from a few women about this, but I thought I would chime in with some additional perspectives for you. 

    I have truncal lymphedema -- a common side effect of breast cancer treatments. One recent study estimates the number of women with breast-cancer related lymphedema to be about 800,000 in the United States today. Not all women with lymphedema benefit from wearing compression shirts, and I do not have an estimate of the number of truncal lymphedema cases, but I can tell you that every woman I know who uses compression shirts to help control truncal swelling has more than one of them.

    I own four Under Armour shirts, for example; two with a lighter fabric that I use when exercising, one heavy and very long one for outdoor sports, and a V-neck that I use for compression when flying on airplanes.  I also own some other shaper-type T-shirts that provide less compression than your product, but that offer the advantage of giving me a scoop neckline or a V neckline that differs from your product in that it does not hug the neck and show through much of my wardrobe.

    My dream Under Armour shirts would all have no internal seams, and they would offer me a choice of necklines that are not visible under a variety of clothing. The logo (as much as we love you for making these shirts) would be placed near the hem of the shirt, as currently the logo shines like a beacon where it often peeks through other, professional clothing.  I would also love to be able to buy these shirts in a variety of fabric weights, sleeve lengths, and colors.

    The women who are writing to you know each other via a wonderful online breast cancer support community called breastcancer.org.  If you spend a few moments reading some of the discussion threads in the lymphedema forum, you will get to know some of us.  Out of curiousity, I used the website's search tool to get a simple count of the number of mentions of the term Under Armour (I also included Under Armor...we often seem to spell it wrong): 240 times!  That's a small indicator of the number of discussions about strategies to find compression garments that meet our lymphedema needs and also fit the bill for garments that look good, are easy to care for, can be worn with a variety of wardrobe items, and sell for a reasonable price. 

    We do have options, but they are generally either expensive medical garments or not-quite-right shape-wear. Medical compression wear is extremely pricey and generally requires a prescription, adding to the cost and practical difficulty of acquiring it. Shapewear exists in abundance, but it usually comes with one shortcoming or another:  armhole cut too low, offering no compression just under the arm or straps that are too thin and put too much pressure on the shoulder, cutting off our lymph flow, or other functional problems.

    To sum, women with breast cancer related lymphedema, including me, are ready to purchase more of your terrific product, with just a few design changes.  Many thanks for your consideration of our need."

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited January 2012

    You ladies ROCK!!! Thanks for the follow up! And the addition of a lower neckline, totally agree!!

    Spring. 

  • kerrie389
    kerrie389 Member Posts: 66
    edited January 2012

    Hi Everyone,

    I have just been looking at this site and the sleeve looks wonderful. I am curious though as to the measurments. There is no mention about the length of your arm.

    I am very tall and my sleeves are always too short.

    Has anyone had issues regarding the length of these sleeves.

    Also i live in Australia and cannot see that they send OS... has anyone any ideas about this. I have sent an e mail regarding these 2 issues but thought i would ask you girls first.

    Many thanks.

    I learn so much from you ladies. 

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited January 2012

    Kerrie389,

     I get Juzo sleeves because they come in "long". I am not sure they sell them in Australia, but you could google to findout! There are insturctions on how to "measure" your arm in different spots. I save the box so when I need a new one, I can remember my size, etc. Hope this helps!

     Spring. 

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited January 2012

    Kerrie, are you referring to the LymphedemaSleeveCompany sleeves? If so, they were developed in Italy, so the US is "overseas" to them. Don't know if they're in Australia yet, but if not perhaps you could stir up some interest and get some local suppliers to request it.

    Let us know what you discover!
    Binney

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited January 2012

    Ladies, I wanted to tell you that the UnderArmour folks requested that I formally submit this proposal, with documentation, to their new-products team. It's a many-pages-long application that tells them what we want, why it's important, and what kind of market is out there (which, thanks to all our emails should be kinda obvious!Laughing). I submitted it and they'll get back to us within four months.

    The mind boggles. Springtime, thank you! Don't know what they'll decide, but isn't it amazing to be listened to?!Cool

    Brownies all around!
    Binney

  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited January 2012

    Sounds promising!

  • Huskerkkc
    Huskerkkc Member Posts: 536
    edited January 2012

    Wow, very cool!

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited January 2012

    Binney, thank you so much for the time you put into the UA document. Time well spent, we all hope!

  • kcshreve
    kcshreve Member Posts: 1,148
    edited January 2012

    I have 5 UA shirts that I rotate throughout the week, and 5 older ones as backup with a more worn-out compression.  This is expensive, and I'm annoyed at the odd looks I get with the inside out seams. A flat seam would be a dream.  I justify the costs since by using compression I need to see the LE therapist less, so i guess it balances out.  I wish the compression lasted longer for me.  I wash them in a laundry bag on delicate, and I hang dry.  Not sure what else to do.  If UA will make a different kind of shirt, how cool would that be?  I agree we represent a large potential customer base.

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