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  • MiniMacsMom
    MiniMacsMom Member Posts: 595
    edited January 2012

    phgraham:  I have been seeing a chiropractor for two weeks now and I feel sooo much better with all my aches and pains.  I have been going 2x per week (this will be week 3) and next week I start once a week.  Our goal is to get to maintenance so I only go once every 6 weeks or so.  Anyway the point is that she "adjusts" my sinuses and I actually have good drainage, no sinus pain or headaches and I can smell.  The smelling thing sucks when it comes to the poopy diapers :)  But overall its been great!  I couldn't smell our fresh christmas tree the whole holiday, until after my visits and we started taking it down.  She charges $30 for when I am self pay and the insurance covers 12 visits per year.  I am so tired of meds and pushing my liver and kidneys, that finding a more natural solution is awsome! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    MMM,  you're brilliant!  I've never been to a chiropractor so it never entered my mind that they could help.  I'll check that out before I let the ENT poke things up my nose and give me more drugs.  Thank you!

  • MiniMacsMom
    MiniMacsMom Member Posts: 595
    edited January 2012

    Its amazing how non-integrative some doctors are about different types of medicine.  The only reason I thought about it was because my girlfriend is a DO and has adjusted me in the past.  It does make a huge difference, my chiro was telling me today about how she adjusted a 38 week old pregnant women last week and her baby rotated out of breach position WITHOUT having to be internally pushed by the OB.  I really wish mainstream doctors were more open minded about this kind of stuff :)

  • stjude10
    stjude10 Member Posts: 390
    edited January 2012

    My stepdad is a chiropractor, so I'm a bit biased. We have had pregnant women, cancer patients, crones, and many other illnesses in the office. It really can help and acupuncture can be truly beneficial as well.

  • Bonseye
    Bonseye Member Posts: 193
    edited January 2012

    I am happy to report I just finished my four rounds of AC and have a week off before Taxol. This last AC knocked me off my feet and really scared my family. I haven't been so drained and nauseous! I went for my Neulasta shot and had to lie down on the table while waiting....finally getting some energy today but lying low.......learning to let go. I ordered my groceries online and found a friend going by the store and will pick them up. What a great service! I am very anxious about Taxol but being guarded and hopeful. I have quite a celebration planned when I make it to treatment 12!! I really didn't realize how hard this all is and am just trying to ride the wave. Mastectomies done....AC done.....so happy to be moving along. When I look at the journey to date I didn't think I could make it this far and with the grace of God and the support of so many people I love I plan to stay focused. A dear friend was just diagnosed and I hope to ease her journey and help her down whatever path she is given.....Blessings to you all and may we forge on with strength!

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited January 2012

    Yes - chemo does definitely suck. My pattern for Taxol se's was that the first three days after infusion were not too bad - but towards the eve of day three, the flu-symptoms hit me like a brick. Ibuprofen was the ONLY thing that helped. I believe I took more than I should have, but could not bear the aches and pains without it. Lots of hot showers helped, also. 

  • Quaatsi
    Quaatsi Member Posts: 385
    edited January 2012

    Hi gals-- got back from a visit to my onc-- my insurance WILL cover navalbine for my stage3 cancer (normally used for stage4).  So I will get 3 more Taxol and go onto to 12 weeks of Navalbine.  I am happy since I am told and have read (although not much information) that navalbine is an "easy" chemo---hmmm wonder what easy chemo really means???? LOL  But at any rate, I am really done with this Taxol!!! #10 tomorrow!

  • TAPPY
    TAPPY Member Posts: 283
    edited January 2012

    I am going in for #3 on Taxol.  Maybe I freaked out about the nails - they seem fine now.  Just sensative....

    I hope anyway.   I am very nasueated today...I think it is nerves and worrying how much this treatment will hurt.  It kicks my azzzzzz with the bone pain -and I dread it,

     I agree - Chemo sucks - big time....I am still feeling the bone pain for the last time.

  • Quaatsi
    Quaatsi Member Posts: 385
    edited January 2012

    Tappy-- I REALLY think that the SEs differ each week with Taxol. I was talking with another gal on this thread and it reminded me that on my  first or second one I too had low back pain-- excruciating-- right down to the bone. couldnt walk for some time. went to the chiropractor a few times which helped... in other words-- DONT EXPECT the same result each time.  You will get over through it!!!! :)

  • Kim137
    Kim137 Member Posts: 183
    edited January 2012

    Well, tomorrow is the big day! I go for my first Taxol with herceptin. I'm very nervous about side effects and what's to come. My oncologist says Taxol will "be easy" compared to the AC combo.....we'll see! :)

  • kelleysgroi
    kelleysgroi Member Posts: 227
    edited January 2012

    Hi Ladies- well taxol has proven to beworse so far than any of the AC treatments were..I just know something is wrong..I have been struggling for a week. my boyfriend tonight finally agrees that something seems amiss..we will be at the onc office when they open tomorrow at 9 to see her..she does not call me when I call, I only get the nurses who just take guesses at what could be happening..

    Kim- good luck tomorrow- I pray it goes well and easy for you..I was told so many times that taxol was a walk in the park

    Tappy- awesome on the nails..amazing how we can freak ourselves out about side effects..I was sure 2 hours after my taxol that the neuropathy had set in

  • Kim137
    Kim137 Member Posts: 183
    edited January 2012

    Kelley, I'm so sorry to hear that you're not doing well. Please let us know what your Oncologist says tomorrow!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    I had my 9th of 12 Taxol treatments today.  Only 3 more to go!  Today went very well. Onc and I discussed supplements and she wants me on 2000 units of Vitamin D and to also take a Super B complex.   She is also checking into the TN vaccine trial for me and is very interested in me participating.

    I also had an appt with an ENT about my sinus infection/irritation.  The ENT reviewed my sinus CT scan from last month with me and did a very gentle scope of my nasal cavities. He thinks that the infection is gone but agreed that the irritation is severe and definitely can be related to the Taxol. He wants me to use Neosporin inside my nose until it heals enough to use a saline spray.  Even if this doesn't work, it will hopefully prevent any further infection until Taxol is complete in 3 weeks.

    I start FAC in February.  For those of you who are doing FAC or AC, how often (or how many) echocardiograms have you had to check your heart function? 

    Thanks everyone and may your SEs be minimal!

  • shore1
    shore1 Member Posts: 739
    edited January 2012

    Kelleysgroi, are you taking a B Complex and L-Glutamine? My onc has had me taking both & I had #9 taxol/herceptin yesterday with very minimal SE so far. Maybe you can ask your onc about this if you are not already taking them. Good luck -with I hope you get some answers when you see doc.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Dear ladies,

    T#3 down--25% done as of yesterday, yay.  Doc prescribed tramadol for any lower back pain (experienced it 2days after tx #2 last week) since I refused to take any oxycodone. I have 2 bottles from two other surgeries--I didn't use them those times either. Still hate the steroids but onc. will not reduce the IV dosage, so I have to give up that battle and choose another I guess. I am not taking any more oral steroids though, I had no problems with full speed infusion yesterday without any oral meds beforehand.  

    I have great energy but the lack of sleep caused by the jacked-up feeling from the steroids is awful. I know I'm tired but can't relax.  It's not like me so I feel I've been robbed of who I really am, you know?

    I guess I'm just finding all of this rather tedious anymore...how about you?  It's not particularly hard, nor easy-just downright tedious.  

    Peri-colace OTC works great for digestive problems...I'm icing my nails, eyebrows and lashes every week.  I do wish we had more privacy at our chemo center since I'm getting kind of tired explaining weekly why I'm sticking my hands into bags of petite frozen peas, and why I've got them plastered on my toes, and why I'm holding another bag to my face (I use one hand and switch out about every 5").  I'd take the nurses up on supplying me with ice, but it's easier to handle it myself and not have to wait on them for help in this task.

    The looks that I get when I ice, though, are sometimes pretty priceless: mostly incredulous disbelief, or other patients joke about it.  No private rooms in my chemo place so I will be explaining the process 9 more times.

    I'm still taking glutamine and b complex...other supps 2 days a week. My WBC was borderline in the lower range and so was my RBC, so I've got to eat more meat and start taking my astragalus again...My RBC has always been low for me due to my mostly vegetarian habits but I never suffered any ill-effects from it. I stopped taking the astra. during AC b/c it tasted like dirt and I was getting Neulasta shots then.  But it seems it's the best herb for upping WBC, and I don't want to be delayed in this journey. However, I don't have any fatigue or shortness of breath or infection/weakness/paleness or anything related to low WBC/RBC.  But my onc. is a numbers person: even if I feel and look great she won't infuse if numbers are below range.

    Didn't mean to write so much--but I was thinking of all of you and it helps to know we are all out there together on our taxol journey. Namaste!

    XXOO

    C

  • seacretgardn
    seacretgardn Member Posts: 269
    edited January 2012

    Hi ladies, haven't started yet, one more AC to go, but following along to hopefully be prepared.



    Kellysgroi I, so sorry you've had a difficukt week. Ihope they can give you some information and feel better.



    Claire did your onc approve the glutamine and b complex to be taken every day? Or just 2 x a week. I used to take astragulus but haven't since starting chemo.



    Phgraham that sounds so uncomfortable. I was very irritated with the first 2AC. I hope the neosporin helps.





  • seacretgardn
    seacretgardn Member Posts: 269
    edited January 2012

    Sorry, hit submit before I was finished.



    Just want to wish all the ladies here well.



    Laura

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Hi Laura,

    (I just realized your dx is nearly identical to mine, with a few less positive nodes.)

    My onc. approves my supplement protocol--my naturopath faxes it to her, then my onc. approves or tweaks (mostly when to start and stop).

    I hope you'll find like many others that Taxol isn't as hard to get through as AC.  How many tx do you have of Taxol and when will you get them (bi-weekly or weekly)?

    Claire

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    oops meant to edit that last--I meant I have a few less positive nodes than you, Laura, but enough to scare me to death when I think about it most days.

  • kelleysgroi
    kelleysgroi Member Posts: 227
    edited January 2012

    Doc didnt have much to say other than she thinks the depression is hormone related due to chemo induced menopause.  I started the antidepressant the other day so hopefully it will kick in soon. I just want to quit now but apparently onc does not find that to be an acceptable solution so I have to stick it out for 5 more weeks.

  • Kim137
    Kim137 Member Posts: 183
    edited January 2012

    Well, I had my first taxol with Herceptin yesterday. Of course, the steroids kept me up last night and I'm wired today. Cannot concentrate on a thing! So far I feel fine, only thing I have noticed is my bright red face, which I believe is the steroid flush I got with AC as well. Those of you who have experienced side effects, what day do they typically begin? My Onc told me not to expect neuropathy during treatments 1-2, that it's usually cumulative beginning with treatments 3-4. (I'm doing DD every 2 weeks for a total of 4 Taxol infusions)

  • kelleysgroi
    kelleysgroi Member Posts: 227
    edited January 2012

    Kim- glad it went well- my onc told me the same thing about the neuropathy setting in around treatment 3 or 4 and lasting awhile once finished.  I found my knees started to ache about day 3, 4 and 5.  Physically I didnt have many side effects other than that, although as you know I am struggling with my mental state these days.  Maybe I am just so sick of the whole thing! I am on the sane taxol regimin as you. I go next wednesday for my 2nd of 4.

  • kelleysgroi
    kelleysgroi Member Posts: 227
    edited January 2012

    2 Questions-

    Hi ladies- I have 2 questions for you.  The first question is about appetite. I was under the impression that once taxol started and the nausea from AC was gone that my appetite would return..well..my appetite has hit a wall..I can barely force myself to eat at all.  Is anyone else experiencing a total loss of appetite while on taxol?

    The second question is about working- I am returning to work next week after 3 months off. I am wondering for those of you that are working, how do you fight thru the fatigue or just plain yuckiness an days that you arent feeling that great?

    Thanks for all your help and support

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Hi Taxol ladies-

    re SE from Taxol--I've had three tx now; a week ago I had my first SE--back pain lasting about 5 hours.  Advil/aleve didn't touch it and I won't take the codeine based pain relievers, so I have tramadol on hand in case it happens again. It started exactly 48 hours after infusion--right on time you might say.

    I teach at a Univ. and my dept has been wonderful letting me slide on work meetings, etc. It's not an 8-5 job anyway since I work long hours at home. I can't help with the work input--I'm sorry! And right now I'm on family medical leave this semester anyway.

    I had awful food and appetite issues with AC and lost nearly 10 lbs--none with Taxol.  Even the smell of food doesn't make me sick like with AC--I just notice smells more.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Question for all Taxol ladies--

    Most of us are in different places in our T infusion schedules. I just wondered if anyone is seeing hair regrowth yet?  I keep anxiously looking to see if it's happening to me since I know that hair can re-grow on Taxol.

    Anyone?

    C

  • kelleysgroi
    kelleysgroi Member Posts: 227
    edited January 2012

    claire- no hair regrowth yet for me either. Im starting to get worried about the appetite as it was bad with ac and I lost 12 lbs on that..now I can barely force anything down and I have no energy. Thanks for your input..I am very nervous to return to work. 

  • shore1
    shore1 Member Posts: 739
    edited January 2012

    Hi clairinez, I had 9 of 12 taxol/herceptin this week & after #7 i started noticing that light grayish fuzz I have seen many women mention in the "hair hair hair" thread. It doesn't seem like its really growing, its just more than I had on AC & I also don't see the new "hair" coming off in my hands in the shower or in my hats. I ordered nioxin system 4 & can't wait to start using it. Who knows if it will really work though. The gray color is a little alarming tho! I will color it as soon as possible :)

  • 3girls
    3girls Member Posts: 94
    edited January 2012

    kelleysgroi-  I have finished 3/4 AC tx and will staet weekly taxol/herceptin after that.  I have had minimals/e so have continued to work full time as anurse.  I work 3 12 hour nights.  Fatigue has been my main issue but I think working has really helped me.  It has kept me feeling"normal"  and made the time go by so much faster.  As I said though I have been lucky to have had minimal s/e if I was feeling really lousy I think working would be hard.  Take it one day at a time:)  Good Luck!!

  • NWArtLady
    NWArtLady Member Posts: 360
    edited January 2012

    I've noticed a lot of questions about fatigue and my onco-physiatrist stresses the need for us to practice energy conservation within ourselves while on chemo. It is important that we rest, exercise, and choose carefully that which we will spend our personal energy resources on.  It may sound odd, but a daily walk or other mild exercise really helps with the fatigue! But don't overdo it - that will have the opposite effect. His and other helpful podcasts can be heard here: http://swedish.org/Institutes---Services/Cancer-Institute/Patient-Support---Resources/Cancer-Podcasts-and-Videos#Rehab 

    As to appetite - mine came back with Taxol (and so did the weight!). It was not sudden or anything, just a gradual return of appetite.

    And hair - mine is slowly returning. It began about 2/3's of the way through my 16 weekly Taxol treatments. I am now at the scruffy stage and keep my hats on all the time. It's exciting to have hair, though! I hope to keep my lashes and brows, but we'll see.

    My nails continue to lift and are painful (but not overly so). I soak them every other day in warm water and Epsom salt to keep them clean and infection-free. It is helping and the odd odor 4 of them had is dissipating.

    Finally, in regards to neuropathy, I take L-Glutamine twice daily per my oncologist's orders and while I do have some numbness and odd feelings in my fingers and toes, it is not too bad. I add it to my morning protein shake.

    3girls, like you I continued to work throughout my chemo. I took the occasional day or afternoon off here and there as needed, but found the work to be helpful and distracting. If it is possible for anyone to get in a 20 minute nap, that might help get through the day.

    Hope this helps.

    Hang in there ladies!  We can do this!

  • Quaatsi
    Quaatsi Member Posts: 385
    edited January 2012

    Hi Taxol Ladies-- I am almost done with my Taxol regimen and I can confidently say that you can expect nothing to be linear and predictable week to week on Taxol.  I still have my hair, thin and some bald spots but I was told it would go.  I do have neuropathy despite the 30g L-glutamine daily and NAC.  I do get tired but I have also been very energetic some weeks.  I have put on way too much weight, so my appetite was affected but some weeks were worse than others.  And it is all so do-able.  Good luck to all of you starting this particular part of your journey.  I am to begin Navalbine for 12 weeks starting in February (and there is not thread for that!)

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