NIA...and other exercise

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garnet131
garnet131 Member Posts: 64
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema
NIA...and other exercise

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  • garnet131
    garnet131 Member Posts: 64
    edited January 2012

    As background, I've been taking tap dancing for almost 2 years and doing Leslie Sansome walk at home stuff. My rec dept runs a "potpourri" of classes over the holiday break, so I've been trying some different classes over the past 2 weeks, one of which was NIA. When I checked it out online, I noticed it said one of the benefits was for the lymphatic system. I had no idea what to expect and found it very unenjoyable--after 20 minutes I was ready for it to be over. I felt dizzy, not from the turns that I was used to from tap, but just from all the movement, I guess. By the end, I had a headache and then the next day I felt miserable, just generally achy all over and sluggish.

    I've done Zumba in the past and last week did a class with my favorite aerobics teacher from 15 years ago. An hour of Zumba one night and an hour of step aerobics/weights another (1 lb on the left!) left me energized and raring to go, and I'm just baffled by how awful I felt after the NIA.

    And I'm even more baffled that I've decided to give it another try tomorrow night! Guess I feel like I should give it another chance and wondering if anyone has experience with NIA.

    Of course, I wore sleeve and glove for all.  Didn't see any changes in my arm, though I did MLD after, as I'm trying to get more regular with it--I tend to forget to do it if my arm isn't acting up. 

    Garnet131

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    I tried NIA twice. First time was emotionally upsetting to me, as I realized how out of shape I had become from dealing with reconstruction pain. I had a little truncal swelling, but I chalked it up to lack of exercise. The second time I went in with a more positive attitude, willing to try and learn something new and do what I was able. The arm movement triggered my truncal LE and it took a few days to get it back down. I've done a lot of dancing on my own in my living room, as I have always found that enjoyable. It always includes a lot of arm movement, but I never experience swelling. I decided that the NIA for some reason just wasn't right for me. I think the reason that my home dancing works is that it lets me work naturally within my own limitations and I can set the pace, choose the music, etc. It also feels more relaxing, less stressful. Since my deconstruction and implant removal, I wonder if the NIA would still trigger my truncal LE, but I'll save that for a later day.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited January 2012

    I tried NIA also, it was at a "senior" center, and I was fairly early in the course of my bc/LE experience, and I found the circle experience somehow intrusive and after doing the class, my swelling spread to my fingers for the first time.

    I had signed up for a series of classes and cancelled them. The whole experience was uncomfortable.

    I had read that it was based on Alexander technique and all sorts of great things, and just didn't like it, and my LE didn't like it either.

    Kira 

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited January 2012

    Garnett, just as a matter of reference, a few years ago the idea of giving your lymph system a boost became a pop-health phenomenon. It had nothing to do with lymphedema. Spas started offering "lymph massage" which was by no means the same thing as MLD. It was a part of the "clear the toxins from your body" movement, and it took off in that way that pop-health ideas often do. So an exercise program that claims to have "benefits for the lymph system" is not addressed to people with lymphedema, but to anyone who's into that popular conception about clearing toxins.

    Which of course the lymph system does. And muscle movement is a huge part of how it pumps lymph fluid. But then, any muscle movement will do that, so the specific claims of an exercise system like this is mostly funky fun. It's got nothing to do with lymphedema, MLD, or even with the kinds of exercises (like the Norton or Lebed routines) that actually help direct fluid movement.

    Still, exercising alone can be a drag, and a lot of us count on classes to keep us motivated. The whole issue is to choose a class that will do that without messing up the LE. Or to choose one that MOSTLY doesn't mess up the LE and then modify the parts that do. 

    (For me, in a class setting, it's hard to be the only one who is leaving out the parts that bug my LETongue out, but maybe that's just me.Embarassed)

    Be well,
    Binney

  • BoobsinaBox
    BoobsinaBox Member Posts: 550
    edited January 2012

    No, it's not just you, Binney!  I quit Yoga because I had so many things I had to change due to arthritis and now LE.  

    Dawn 

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2012

    What does NIA stand for?

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited January 2012

    I googled and found this woman who created NIA--I couldn't find what the letters stand for

    http://www.nianow.com/company-story

    So, then I went to Wikepedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nia_%28fitness%29

    Nia (previously Non-Impact Aerobics, Neuromuscular Integrative Action) is a physical conditioning program based on a premise that movement is a pathway for self-discovery and personal transformation. Nia is intended to deliver cardiovascular aerobic exercise and whole-body conditioning. Nia was created in California 1983 by Debbie Rosas (now Debbie Rosas Stewart) and Carlos Rosas (now Carlos AyaRosas).[1]

    Nia is considered a body-mind-spirit exercise like yoga by Inner IDEA http://www.inneridea.com/about-us. Inner IDEA is part of IDEA Health and Fitness Association.

    As a movement form, Nia Technique is based on 52 moves (and lots of variations)

    who knew it was created by this couple--I read the story and see what you think

    Kira

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2012

    Thanks Kira, she sounds like a kook, if I may be so bold.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited January 2012

    No argument from me, no wonder the class creeped me out, and make my fingers swell....

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    I literally had to stop and step to the back of the room the first time I tried it and had my "mini-breakdown". I was embarrassed, but at least it was within a cancer-centered program, so the other participants didn't think I was goofy. The instructor did talk to me and said it was normal for emotions and thoughts about your body to come up when one did NIA. After the second session, I listened to my body and it said "don't do it". 

  • garnet131
    garnet131 Member Posts: 64
    edited January 2012

    Well, I listened to my body and didn't go to NIA last night. Actually, I think I was listening to the wisdom of Binney above re the lymph system and "pop-health" and realized that I read the mention of "good for the lymphatic system" through my LE eyes, looking for the magic exercise that would fix my LE. 

    Last night's alternative to NIA was Ballet Barre Exercise, which I also skipped since that was the class that brought on my LE back in July. My tap teacher leads it and said she would accommodate my LE, but I couldn't face it. So I signed up for tap (it will be 2 years in March) and for a Saturday Zumba class that won't interfere with my second job.

    Kira, thanks for the links on NIA. My research was mostly student testimonials that made it sound so life-changing ("Dancing Yoga"), but I think it's too "new agey" for me. The class I was in didn't do anything in a circle and didn't teach any steps or movements--it was all just follow the leader in moves that ran the gamut from stretching and shimmying to modern dance and kung fu to music that I just couldn't get into. Just weird--I like your phrase, "creeped me out"!

    So after seeing NIA in the rec book for 3 years, I now know what it is--and it's not for me!

    Garnet

  • Ralsper
    Ralsper Member Posts: 352
    edited January 2012

    Hello Ladies! During my UMX they removed 23 nodes 7 months ago. My upper arm has been numb since then. I also have a TE. My arm is not swelling, but sometimes I feel the tightness and heaviness. I need to exercise and my PT recommended doing some aquarobics. My problem is that she keeps telling me that I should not do too many repetitions with my left arm and I have to wear my sleeve all the time. Okay, I can't wear the sleeve in the pool and aquarobics require a lot of arm movement. I am really confused... Have any of you has done aquarobics? Any advice?

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited January 2012

    Ralston, I haven't done aquaaerobics, but I think that you don't have to wear your sleeve in a pool.

    I think Joe Zuther had a blog post about aquatic exercise, let me look:

    http://www.lymphedemablog.com/2011/01/20/the-benefit-of-aquatic-exercise-for-lymphedema/

    And it says, no need for a sleeve--see what you think of the article.

    Kira

  • Ralsper
    Ralsper Member Posts: 352
    edited January 2012

    Thank you so much Kira! This info was really helpful. I still have some concerns about frequency and intensity, but I think I need to learn to listen to my body. I am also planning to wear a compress for a couple hours afterwards. Thanks!

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