Burzynski: The Movie **SKEPTIC ALERT**

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  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2012

    Just tested the link and it didnt work.  You can search for the topic "Corruption? You bet!"  If you want to see more.

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited January 2012

    I would be glad to know that American children are the most vaccinated in the world. I thought there were other countries that had higher vaccination rates but I have not yet found the statistics.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2012

    rosemary-b, why would you be glad to know that?

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited January 2012

    If not that...sorry IF American children were the most vaccinated. Edited because I still couldn't get it right.

  • digger
    digger Member Posts: 590
    edited January 2012

    Impositive,



    If I had more time, I'd do a quick Internet search and figure out where you cut and pasted the manifesto in your last post. Some anti-establishment, anti-system blog somewhere, I suppose.



    It's just so sad, in my opinion, to maintain a certain position so steadfastly, so black and white (that's borderline personality disorder traits, for anyone interested), that one cuts off her nose despite her face.



    No, all pharmaceutical products are not bad, and no, all vaccinations are not bad. Some are, some aren't. Likewise, some of the purportedly "natural" products are good, some aren't, and some are just deadly. See, that's how not to think in totally black and white terms!

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited January 2012

    I did not think the topic here was childhood vaccinations. That is a conversation for another website.

    Wellness care is an ideal but what do you do with the people who are seriously ill? (That would include anyone who has had a breast cancer diagnosi). 

    But let's not hijack this thread.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2012

    We are "required" to vaccinate our children. Our gov officials being in the back pockets of our pharmaceutical companies of have lot to do with that.  I don't believe Canada "requires"  them.  Please someone correct me if I'm wrong about that. 

    My 6 mth old grandson was recently hospitalized due to a vaccine.  He received the rotovirus "live" vaccine.  A day later he became sick.  A week later, he was hospitalized.  His primary care doc who administered the virus denied that it could be the rotovirus and said its just coincidental.  The hospital confirmed it was the rotovirus.  A vaccine that was supposed to inoculate him from the virus gave him the virus. Hopefully, there will be no long term effects.  This is just a mild example of what these mandatory vaccines can do to our children.  We are ill informed about these vaccines.  We just blindly submit our children to be vaccinated and aren't familiar with any of the side effects or risks.  It's a scary thought that a number of these have been pulled from the market only after  so many of our children have been injured.  We must be informed and protect our children.  I for one refuse to take the risk without first being educated. 

    IF our children are the among the most vaccinated, we must ask ourselves why.  Is it because we are the sickest?  If that's so then vaccines haven't really helped much. 

    It could have been worse.

     http://vran.org/personal-stories/katies-story//

    There are many sad stories on this site and others...I just hope we are informed before we submit our children to the many, many required vaccinations so we know what the risks are.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2012

    Digger, do your search. You'll find that those are my words...not some cut and paste.  If I were as black and white as you say, then I wouldn't say pharmaceuticals have their place...talk about a personality disorder!  But I would expect that from you....resorting to personal attacks.

    Rosemary, I post about things that I am passionate about.  Sorry to hijack the thread.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2012

    impositive, we U.S. citizens are NOT required to vaccinate our children. My 3 grandkids have not been vaccinated. I disagree with my daughter's decision, but she has not allowed them to be vaccinated and they are in public schools.

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited January 2012

    In Michigan you may refuse to vaxxinate your children for religious or personal reasons. You tell the school you are not vaccinating and the children can attend. I guess I know how many vaccinations are required in Michigan anyway. None.There are No mandatory vaccinations where I live. No big pharma conspiracy here.

  • Lulu22
    Lulu22 Member Posts: 175
    edited January 2012

    Impositive, would you rather go back to the days when kids died in substantial numbers from now preventable diseases such as polio, smallpox and diphtheria?

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2012

    Yorkiemom, Your daughter sounds like she may be a great advocate for your grandchildren.  I am not against all vaccinations.  I am against being forced into them and to being uneducated about them before blindly subjecting our children to them.

    According to the Institute for Vaccine Safety, it is the law in all US states that children be properly immunized before attending school.  However, in addition to medical exemptions offered in each state, 48 states allow for religious exemptions and 20a states allow personal belief exemptions for daycare and school.

    My son is also in public schools. They added a new vaccine to the schedule last year (he's 16)and I was threatened if we did not submit, that he would not be allowed to continue to attend.  There is a "religious exemption" loophole in my state but most parents dont even know it exists so they feel forced to vaccinate...another reason we need to be educated.  Every state is different.  I guess it would be correct to say they are forced unless you can provide an exemption.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2012

    Lulu22, I would like to go back to the day when the government couldn't force us to medically do something against our will.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2012

    Impositive, my daughter is a wonderful advocate for her children. There are pros and cons for vaccination. Horrible epidemics have been wiped out because of them, but there are serious and sometmes fatal, albeit rare, SEs.

    Any parent who is determined to not vaccinate can find out about exemptions. It's just not that hard to do.

    When my children were small I read about the SEs and seriously considered skipping vaccainations. I didn't because statistically the chances of getting serious SEs from the diseases being vaccinated against were much higher than those arising from the vaccinations.

    I firmly believe this is a personal decision however. I love and applaud my daughter for doing what she thinks is best for her boys. It's not what I would do, but I know her heart and soul guided her decision. 

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2012

    yorkiemom, I agree.  I too applaud your daughter.  All we can do is follow our hearts and let our souls be our guide.  It's a very personal decision and one we should be allowed to make for our children.  She sounds like a great mom and that can only be attributed to the wondererful infuences in her life.  So I applaud you as well. 

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2012

    Thanks impositive! She and my other DD are lights of my life. I'm sure you feel the same about your DS. Children, and grandchildren, are wonderful.

    I am one who tends to go with traditional, research based, medicine. But, I believe we all are competent and entitled to make our own medical decisions. I pray for all bc survivors, no matter whether we take traditional or alternative medical routes.

  • Ang7
    Ang7 Member Posts: 1,261
    edited January 2012

    I don't think everyone "blindly submits our children to be vaccinated and aren't familiar with any of the side effects or risks."  My twin club is made up of all kinds of moms who started questioning the flu shot last year due to a large number of children in Europe supposedly getting narcolepsy after getting the vaccine.  I asked my pediatrician to look into this at the time and she did find information about it for me.  At that time we chose not to get the kids the flu shots.  This year we researched the flu shot and due to 2 of our kids having asthma we had them get the flu shot.  I respect our pediatrician and she knows that we are going to question and want to be informed.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2012
    Blindly submitting seems to be the major consensus, Ang7 but it's really good to know that people are questioning these vaccines more and more and making educated decisions based on what they find.  That's all anyone can hope for. 
  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited January 2012

    Because of parents refusing to vaccinate, babies are now dying from Whooping cough. We have had quite an epidemic here recently.

  • impositive
    impositive Member Posts: 629
    edited January 2012

    susieq, you state, "Because of parents refusing to vaccinate, babies are now dying from Whooping cough." 

    I'm not sure about the situation in Austrialia, but here in the US your statement appear to be incorrect.  This is what our government would have us believe but if we look closer....

    According to an article from The Associated Press, "A study revealed that the whooping cough vaccine given to babies and toddlers loses much of its effectiveness after just three years - a lot faster than doctors believed - and that could help explain a recent series of outbreaks in the U.S. among children who were fully vaccinated."  "I was disturbed to find maybe we had a little more confidence in the vaccine than it might deserve," said the lead researcher, Dr. David Witt, chief of infectious disease at the Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in San Rafael, Calif. 

    "Marin County has a reputation for anti-vaccine sentiment, and Witt said that when he started the study he expected to see the illness concentrated in unvaccinated people. But more than 80 percent of the children who developed whooping cough in Witt's study were fully vaccinated."

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited January 2012

    I'm talking about babies only a month old. I did a google search "baby dies whooping cough" and got lots of hits. A friend of mine's son just had a baby and the doctors insisted that the whole family be vaccinated before they came in contact.

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited January 2012

    Well if the shot wears off in 3 years go get another one in 3 years. Babies do die of whooping cough. There is no big conspiracy to get kids vaccinated. If there was there would not be excemptions in EVERY state. I knew when I had kids there were excemptions, my kids know there are excemptions  It is not a big secret.

    A day care center as a private business can have rules that every child gets immunizations. Why would we want the government to force private businesses to follow even more rukes?.

    My daughter used a modified vaccination schedule because when my grandson had a reaction the first time he was immunized. I think that was wise. Relying on herd immunity to protect your children is risky business.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited January 2012

    Just an observation.  

    In reading this forum and the Alternate forum, there are lots of posts that talk about how Big Pharma do not want to find a cure or prevention for breast cancer.  It's a Big Pharma conspiracy because they make so much money on the drugs they sell for breast cancer treatment and they don't want to jeopardize that revenue stream.

    But when Big Pharma does come up with a way to prevent disease - vaccinations - their motives are questioned because these same pharmaceutical companies make money when they sell the vaccinations.  

    How can the argument go both ways?  Think about the possible life-long effects of rubella and polio.... wouldn't the Medical Industrial Complex make so much more money treating these diseases instead of giving a simple vaccine to eliminate these diseases?  What about HPV?  Isn't the Medical Industrial Complex shooting itself in the foot by promoting these vaccines?

    Yes, I know that they 'force' everyone to get - and pay for - the vaccination whereas only a small percentage of people would get the disease.  So that's it. But it doesn't take a PhD in math to figure out that there's simply no way that they can make up the revenue lost on treatment, even if everyone gets vaccinated.  Let's say that 100,000 people all get a vaccine that costs $500. That's $50 million. Let's say that only 2% of the 100,000 would ever have contracted that particular disease or had a serious enough version of that disease to warrant major treatment.  That's 2000 people.  Would the average treatment cost for each person with the disease be more than $25,000?  If it's a serious, potentially fatal disease or one that has life-long effects, you bet the cost would be a lot higher than that.   

    So I'm confused.  Big Pharma and the Medical Industrial Complex seem to be the villains no matter what they do.  I guess what it comes down to is that their primary focus is revenue and profit, and therefore it follows that they must be jeopardizing our health or putting our well-being at risk by whatever they do.  Is that it?  

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited January 2012

    Where is the "like" button? I like what Beesie said.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2012

    lassie, I was just thinking the same thing!

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited January 2012

    Beesie

    What a well-reasoned post.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited January 2012

    Beesie,

    You are consistently the voice of reason, logic and reality. Thank you!

    Caryn

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited January 2012

    Great post Beesie!

  • orange1
    orange1 Member Posts: 930
    edited January 2012

    As usual, great post Beesie.

    Also, lets not forget that no one in big pharma is interested in developing cures for deadly disease because they have magic protection and don't get horrible diseases, nor do their loved ones.

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited January 2012

    I'm not sure how this turned into a vaccination discussion, but here we are.  As usual, Beesie, you nailed it!   Laughing

    I certainly don't understand the anti-vaccination agenda either, but it sure does seem to be going around these days, LOL.  As a parent of school-aged children myself and from working with medical records from a lots of patients from lots of different doctors and locations, I think you'd have to live under a pretty big rock to be unaware of immunization exemption.  I know for a fact that it's extremely common for pediatricians to be very familiar, upfront, and open about vaccine issues, including side effects, pros and cons, contraindications, exemptions, and modified scheduling, contrary to the beliefs of some conspiracists who like to believe their children are "forced" to be vaccinated by the vaccine boogeyman.   

    It's a parental choice, and actually a fairly common and physician-supported decision to decline, delay, or modify vaccine scheduling.   Accurate, fact-based information on vaccination issues is readily available to anyone interested.  Of course, so is misinformation, fearmongering, and downright made-up horror stories to encourage herd immunity, that endanger the health of all our children.  As always, it's so important to look to credible sources for information.  

    The World Health Organization has this to say:

    "Deaths due to vaccine-preventable diseases
    Total number of children who died from diseases preventable by vaccines
    currently recommended by WHO: 1.7 million
    .
    Hib: 260 000

    Pertussis: 195 000

    Measles: 118 000

    Neonatal tetanus: 59 000

    Tetanus (non-neonatal): 2 000

    Pneumococcal disease: 520 000

    Rotavirus: 527 000b
    Estimated number of all deaths in children under five in 2008: 8.8 million.
    Nearly 20% of all deaths in children under five is vaccine preventable.
    Estimated number of all deaths in children 1-59 months of age: 5.2 million.
    30% of deaths in children 1-59 months of age are vaccine preventable. "

    ******************************************************************

    The Centers for Disease Control talks about the RISKS FROM DISEASE VERSUS THE RISKS FROM VACCINES

    "Even one serious adverse event in a million doses of vaccine cannot be justified if there is no benefit from the vaccination. If there were no vaccines, there would be many more cases of disease, and along with the more disease, there would be serious sequelae and more deaths. But looking at risk alone is not enough - you must always look at both risks and benefits. Comparing the risk from disease with the risk from the vaccines can give us an idea of the benefits we get from vaccinating our children."

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