My sister is forever changed...help!

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Hello,

My sister was diagnosed with breast cancer 4 1/2 years ago.  She had a double masectomy and chemo.  She is HER 2 positive which isn't the best.  She decided to have a hysterectomy too.  Just in case.  She has been through a lot.  People came out of the woodwork to help her--for almost 6 months.  It was so nice.  I kept people in the loop throughout her treatment and went to all of her treatments or most.  

 I find now it is hard for her to move on.  She misses all the attention that people showed her.  She's even said that now that she doesn't have cancer people don't care anymore.  She reminds people daily of what she went through.  Very subtley but reminds them.  We'll be talking about getting older and she'll say "I hope I live to be that old" or if someone is sick she'll say "That's how I felt when I was on chemo" and I could go on and on.   I think she wants people to remember she had cancer.  As much as she says she doesn't want that...her actions are so different.  HELP.  

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  • emailtracylbrown
    emailtracylbrown Member Posts: 15
    edited December 2011

    I should also say that her doctors have given her excellent prognosis.  They have said they would say she is cured but we all know they can't use that language.  They've told her that she was one of the lucky ones.  She had very little problems with treatment--never got sick and had very few side affects.  She has so much to be thankful for and yet...doesn't want to be.  Do I just listen?

  • minxie
    minxie Member Posts: 484
    edited December 2011

    As someone who has had cancer, I don't know if I'm even supposed to post here, but... wow, you honestly think she's doing this for ATTENTION? I'm not her, and I can't speak for her, but I'm 3 years out from a cancer DX and I feel just like her.  I'm not sure if I'm going to live to be an old lady. There is a much larger chance than there is for the average woman that I won't. And yes, I do think about it a lot. And chemo was the worst thing that has ever been inflicted upon me mentally and physically and it's a hard one to forget as well.

    I'm just trying to say... I know you'd like her to move on, and be the person that she once was. But cancer changes you and there's no going back. Accept her as she is now, and I'm sure that in time some of the fear and uncertainty will leave her, even if she never is as carefree as in her pre-cancer days.

  • tarry
    tarry Member Posts: 156
    edited December 2011

    This is a difficult situation, and I hope you can get some help from people who've actually solved the problem.



    I would say that she may need some help. I'd bet it is a bit more than her wanting the attention and missing it. For maybe deeper reasons, being a cancer patient may have really entered into her basic understanding of herself.



    Maybe I'd try to talk to her about her feeling of being neglected. That is the price she pays for being in the kingdom of the well. When one is very ill, others can let it disrupt their lives, but when you are well, what you get is the busy normal life. Maybe she could tell you why she's finding it difficult to be well. Maybe she felt a little neglected before she had cancer. Maybe she needs to find new things to do. Or perhaps she could return to the cancer world as a survivor and volunteer. If she is helping people much more involved with long- term cancer, her past treatment might seem less interesting.



    I'm sort of guessing here. It might be that having cancer was one of the most significant events of her life; I could understand that! If so, she could start to use it constructively.

  • tarry
    tarry Member Posts: 156
    edited December 2011

    I also think Minxie has some wise words. Somehow, though, I get the sense from her sister's report that there's something too static, as though she isn't finding her life. As though there is nothing else. I hope I'm wrong in reading it like that.

  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited December 2011

    Sisterhelp- Hi, well you said it yourself your sister has gone through a lot and she has from what you said. Do you think you could talk her into coming on this forum and talking to someone who has gone through what she has? This forum has been a lifesavor for many of us and it may help her. Its hard when all treatments finally end when all you did was fight to live and get through treatments and yes even all the attention stops too, but when it does you dont feel like it is over, there is no cure for breast cancer it is treatable, but it is always in the back of your mind with every ache and pain. Im 2 years out but it did take some time adjusting because it does change your life forever.

    Breast cancer is a crap shoot, you just wait for the other shoe to drop, but after 4 years she should be ready to enjoy life, maybe counsling wouldnt hurt.

    Please talk her into coming here, she will get lots of support and advice from a group of wonderful women here who understand. 

    We are here for you too, it effects everyone not just the person going through it, If we can help let us know and we will answer any more questions you may have. Keeping your sister in my thoughts and prayers as well as for you too.

    Hugs,

    Debbie

  • emailtracylbrown
    emailtracylbrown Member Posts: 15
    edited December 2011

    Hi Minxie.  I'm so glad you posted and honestly when I read what I write I feel very guilty.  I know I can't even begin to imagine what she, and you for that matter have gone through.  Physically, emotionally, everything.  I think my concern is really what Tarry has said.  I think this has been one of the most significant things in her life and for some reason having had cancer made her feel important in people's lives--and now that the treatment piece is over--she's floundering.  No, I don't think she wakes up each day and says, "how can I get attention for my cancer".  But I do think she needs people to remember.   Specifically when there is a disagreement with her friend or me for that matter, whatever, she does say "how can you do that or say that to me--I had cancer and I may not be here."  Please continue to give me your comment...

  • anonymice
    anonymice Member Posts: 532
    edited December 2011

    She's not doing this for attention.  She's been through hell and back - it's not really something you can understand unless you have also been through this.

    People very commonly talk about devastating things that have happened to them, until they don't need to talk about them anymore.  And yes, it's the same thing over and over.  

    If you would like to hear the perspective from a different side, I believe the "depression,anxiety, PTSD"  section has many threads that are entitled things like "so now I am just seeking attention?".  

    This thing, cancer, is not over for her.  Every day she faces problems that were caused by her treatments - I can say that because it's just the way it is, after chemo, a double mx, and a  hysterectomy.  The rest of the world is tired of hearing about it, but she is still in emotional and almost certainly physical pain or discomfort.  These things, they don't just go away.  You pay for your extra time, dearly.

    I don't mean to seem harsh to you but understand - we so often read posts from women who feel isolated, angry, frustrated, hurt, and so alone because other people are sick of hearing about the cancer.  It is wonderful that you have been there for her, and you are only human, you want to move on.  But understand, she may very well not be able to do that.  

    I wish the best of luck to both of you!  Perhaps your sister would like to come here and talk with others that understand?

  • emailtracylbrown
    emailtracylbrown Member Posts: 15
    edited December 2011

    Thank you Debbie.  I can't tell how glad I am I have found this site.  I'm finding help already.  I'm not sure she would come on.  I don't think she thinks she needs it.  Not sure I could convince her.  Suppose I'll start trying.  Thank you, thank you.

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited December 2011

    sisterhelp.....I don't talk about BC anymore. that's why I'm here. When i have an Oncology appointment and nervous women here can understand the fear as well meaning family & friends would say <Everything is behind you don't even think about it>

    Unfortunately it doesn't work like that.

    Maybe your sister needs some support from women who went through it.

    Good Luck to her

    Sheila

  • emailtracylbrown
    emailtracylbrown Member Posts: 15
    edited December 2011

    As I said to Minxie--no I don't think she says "how can I go get some cancer attention".  But I do think she needs someone to remember.  I'm not sure her husband, though a great guy, has given her what she has needed.   I guess I'm concerned that she has no one remembering at home--so she tries to find it elsewhere.  I guess I just want to hear that one day, one day, this will be something that made her stronger--not something that tore her down to nothing.   Thank you for your comments...

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited December 2011

    I think bc does change a person, and your sister may never be the person she once was.  That being said, you can love her unconditionally, with all of her little quirks, as she has been through quite an ordeal.  You can just be there for her when she needs you...that is the best you can do.

  • OneBadBoob
    OneBadBoob Member Posts: 1,386
    edited December 2011

    I agree, I think it would be wonderful if you could get your sister to join us here--we certainly understand what she has gone through, since we have all been there.



    I guess it is really difficult for us to discuss our worries and concerns with our families who really have no clue how much this disease changes us and how our worries continue even though everyone in our "non-cancer" world thinks we should get over it and move on.



    I know it has helped me tremendously to get all of the help and support from the wonderful people on this board.



    She can be totally anonymous and rant and work through her emotions that way--whatever she is feeling she has many loving Sisters here who know how she feels and will give her much support.



    And please do not feel guilty. You are "out there" looking for help for your sister and help understanding here feelings and that shows you are a very loving concerned sister.



    Let us know what we can do to help both of you.

  • emailtracylbrown
    emailtracylbrown Member Posts: 15
    edited December 2011

    Thanks Sheila.  I know it can't be easy.  I suppose I'm just trying to figure out how to make it easier and maybe that's just not possible.  Thank you for your thoughts.

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited December 2011

    Breast cancer changes one forever. People who love us don't always understand and they want us to move on. She is lucky to have a sister who will listen - good for you -- but it's true that even though bc changes us, others around us want to forget it ever happened. Even having hysterectomy and changing hormones affects our moods and we never get over the fear of recurrence because it does happen - even to many at early stages with excellent prognosis. So on a couple of levels - great support on these boards if she is willing - also many of us continue to see therapists at our cancer centres because of the ongoing, lingering feelings following tx. And having a supportive sister is great. I think others have also given good advice here.

  • minxie
    minxie Member Posts: 484
    edited December 2011

    Sister, sorry if I made you feel bad. But the thought of someone saying cancer survivors play it up for attention - well that got me riled up. Doesn't take much sometimes :)

    It's a time of my life I'd like to forget but the constant aches, pains, my ugly reconstructed breasts, all the blasted pink ribbons everywhere - the reminders are ever present.

    I think it's great you want to help your sister. But does she think she needs help? If the answer is yes, these boards are a good place to share things with some of the few people who really understand. There are also counselors who specialize in working with cancer survivors.

    The thing for you to remember is that cancer is a profound, life changing event. It's not like the flu or a broken arm that you get over without any lasting damage. Particularly breast cancer, with so much stigma attached to it, so wrapped up in our notions of femininity...  Her cancer is now permanently a part of who she is and hopefully you and your family can accept that and still support her.

  • thatsvanity
    thatsvanity Member Posts: 391
    edited December 2011

    Maybe she is scared of being alone, or a fear of being abandoned. Cancer is an emotional and spiritual journey for everyone involved, peace and blessings to you,

    Love Amy lynn

  • Margi1959
    Margi1959 Member Posts: 178
    edited January 2012

    wow - you ladies are so diplomatic.  My hat is off to you.  Sisterhelp - have you ever considered agreeing with her?  She HAS been through a lot, she IS a victorious warrior, her courage to go through the treatments she did by far surpasses that of most of us.  Not everyone does survive what she has.  I think she does deserve congratulations.  I see others here who I know have lost loved ones (myself included) to this vicious disease and I'm sure there isn't one amongst us who wouldn't love to be able to hear our loved one ask for a little more attention....just one more time.  Like I said, the others are far more diplomatic than I.  What I wouldn't give to be able to praise my mum just one more time for what she went through.  But you see, sisterhelp - my mum died.  Three months ago today in fact.  So forgive me for not being as diplomatic and kind as the rest of these people are about your complaint.  In my books, it's far better than the alternative!

  • Southamptonmom
    Southamptonmom Member Posts: 491
    edited January 2012

    You can't help your sister in anyway, but to listen to her. I guarantee you that if you push, she'll clam. I've been through hell, and don't think that ANY doctor can predict an excellent prognosis. Read on a little in other threads. Breast cancer can strike again and spread at any time, with any stage. It rips away at your soul. It's traumatic. I lost my mother to breast cancer at age 58. She was a year older than me when she was first diagnosed. I keep thinking ~ If I live 2 more years, my kids will be 13 and 14, if I live 5 more years, they'll be 16 and 17... I love my sisters, but when I mentioned the pain I am in from having LE, my one sister's response was "well, at least your alive." That's not what I needed to hear, and I'm not stupid, so it gets me upset. I'd rather hear "what can you do about it" or even "that stinks."

    Enjoy your time with your sister. Find what makes her smile. Allow her to say whatever she wants. If she needs help, with trust and care, hopefully she will let you know. I come here on these threads, and hear everyone else's fears, struggles, triumphs, hell, and death, and we support each other as best we can. When I am here, I always know, no matter how I feel, I'm not alone.

  • Druanne
    Druanne Member Posts: 295
    edited January 2012

    I have been reading this thread and am finding it very interesting......Every woman is so very different.....for myself I chose to tell only a select few people about my BC......figured if I need chemo eventually everyone will know......but until then it is my secret. I purposely do not talk about my BC....When I was first diagnosed I found myself fixated on it and could see in the few that I did tell, including my husband.......that people were already tired of hearing about it...and hearing about my concerns & fears........now since my lumpectomy and finding out my path results I have not talked about it at all.......went to my RO Friday to set up radiation.......called my husband afterwards on the way to work and he didn't even ask me about anything....I briefly told him I have to have radiation 33 times and that was it......To him it seems to be as if I have had my wisdom teeth removed and it is done....I feel like this is partly my fault however as I tend to act like everything is ok all the time and smile constantly......I would like to add at the end here that my Mother suffered cancer for 19 years........started in her kidney......spread to her lung, gall bladder, and brain......the 2nd brain tumor took her out in 8 months flat.......she hardly ever said a peep.....me being in my 20's at the time never had a clue what she was going through....I was too busy being a single Mother of 2 & going to school...and she hardly ever complained....then in 2006, during the last 8 months of her life....I was driving her to every appointment....& taking her to the emer room a few times...including once on Christmas Eve.....living an hour away made this a bit difficult for me...I am an only child so there was no one to share the driving with.....I always smiled in front of my Mother.....but inside I was thinking, I am ashamed to say......How annoying it was to have to take time out of my life to drive her around to appointments...her drinking & smoking caused all this!!!!...I am self-employed, too busy etc etc!!!.......and she would call me everyday and not remember things because of her brain tumor......so I would have to explain her weekly schedule over & OVER again and she STILL wouldn't get it right..even if written down...it would not make sense to her..I would get so frustrated!!!!!...One day near the end.....I was looking for Hospice......then took her to one of her last doc appointments......we were just sitting there talking and laughing about silly stuff......she thought it was so funny that she couldn't remember stuff.......then all of a sudden she looked at me very seriously......and said......"I am so sorry I got cancer".......Cry.....I felt like such a creep at that very moment......We just cried together and I told her that she had nothing to be sorry about ever!!......Being a very independent woman.....she hated me when she was delivered to hospice by ambulance....screaming my name.......DRU how could you do this to me!!!...........after awhile she calmed down so I took her for a tour of the place in a wheelchair.......it was a BEAUTIFUL place!!! Flower gardens and huge aquariums!!! I remember showing her the fish and her saying...."When I get better can I feed the fish everyday??" Cry Then we went to the cafeteria and had her favorite ice cream.....butter pecan.....I wish I would have known that would be the last time I would ever have a chance to talk to her......she slipped into a coma that evening.......I never once told her how proud of her I was......My experience with cancer has been nothing so far compared to hers.....She went through all of that basically ALONE....how TERRIBLE!!!!......and now I am on the other side...I have cancer...it is only the beginning.....and my 21 year old daughter says to ME last month after I tell her I have breast cancer.........Oh Mom, you'll be fine......

    She is her Mother's daughter as the saying goes.......as I am mine.......

    Oh If I could have that time with her back....I would tell her how proud of her I was as often as I could!!!!

    Sorry so long........When I started writing I had no idea where I was going!!! I will delete if this doesn't belong in this thread........

    hugs to everyone........

  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited January 2012

    Druanne- Your post made me cry! It sounds like you were there for your mom even if you feel like your werent. Sending you big warm cyber hugs! ((((((((hugs)))))))))

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2012

    Sisterhelp, my mom had ovarian cancer 5 years ago. She too was very lucky, tolerated treatment well etc. As with your sister, it seemed like she has been unable to move on. That is how I felt about it a year ago.

    This last year I was DXed with BC. So far I have been lucky and have tolerated treatment well. However, I will never be the same. The ordeal of cancer will loom large in my life for a long time (hopefully) to come and it will alway be part of who I am now. Even when treatment goes well it is quite horrific. I understand my mom a lot better now. try to cut your sis some slack. Cancer is not the flu, and as you well know the reason the docs can't say she is cured is that it is a chronic illness.

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited January 2012

    Druanne...what a post...you made me cry, too.  Thank you for sharing your story so honestly and vividly and lovingly...  I am with debbie...it sounds to me like you were there for you mother in so many ways...

    sister...I have one of the easiest most straightforward diagnoses...dcis...low grade...completely removed during biopsy...nothing even left in the breast when they removed it by mastectomy...no chemo, no rads...back to work...  And I am a completely different woman.  I am stunned.  I will never be the same person.  I want to be sure that, as you say, something positive comes from it, rather than being stripped down to nothing.  But, damn, that is a tall order.  It will take a lifetime.  My best friend and husband are both struggling to keep up with me.  They don't know what to do with me now...but I am ever so grateful that they are trying like hell.  That's all I really need from them...to try like hell.

    And that is with a simple straightforward diagnosis and a prognosis as good as anyone's...with cancer or without.

    I wish you the best of luck, strength, fortitude, grace and forgiveness...for yourself, your sister, your brother-in-law... May you love each other's quirks and weaknesses and draw on each other's strengths...

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited January 2012

    your sister is forever changed..

    magine losing both your boobs, being on meds and having a hysterectomy.  just imagine what chemo is like.  I think she would really enjoy the company of the like stricken. (us)..

    best of luck as you move forward sis and try not to be irritated by your sister.

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited January 2012

    It took me a long time to respond to this. It stirred up a lot of feelings in me. Your sister will never get over cancer. EVER. Breast cancer is a cancer that can come back after 10, 20, 30 years. Your sister has scars and areas with lack of feeling and range of motion problems every day. Could you forget all that suck it up and move on?

    Most breast cancer survivors learn to shut up about the lasting effects of breast cancer because nobody wants to hear about it. I think that is pretty sad. Listen to your sister. Really listen. You will get an idea of what is really bothering her. Maybe it is the fact that with all that cancer has done to her everyone wants her to forget about the whole experience or at least act like it never happened.

    As for wanting cancer to make her stronger, it might. I do think though that what comes out of this is up to her, not you.  

    I hope my words were not too harsh but I think that people who have not had breast cancer seem to think of it as a problem that goes away. It doesn't.

  • emailtracylbrown
    emailtracylbrown Member Posts: 15
    edited January 2012

    Hi Margie.  First I am so sorry about your mother.  I feel I need to explain myself just a bit.  You say, have I ever thought of agreeing with her?  Well, that's all she sees me do.  She would never know I feel this way.  I have only been supportive.  When she was preparing for her surgery, she mentioned wanting her room redone (painted, etc.)  Myself, my mother and a friend of hers, repainted, redecorated, everything.  She came home from a weekend away to her own little paradise.  To help her heal after her surgery.  To date, I have led a group of women, including my sister, in the 3 day 60 mile walk to raise over 100K for the cause.  I suppose I am just finding it hard to keep the pace I had when she was first diagnosed--I guess I thought she'd slowly move on.  Not forget--but begin to live again.  Again, not forget but begin to live again.  I do listen and support but sometimes I feel I have to bring her back to reality.  For example, just because people don't do some of the things they did when she was ill, doesn't mean they don't care.

  • ALittleBitBritish
    ALittleBitBritish Member Posts: 627
    edited January 2012

    sisterhelp08,

    Does your sister belong to any cancer support groups? You could attend one with her, it may help. Or does she blog, journal or come onto these sites to vent?

    Sometimes I found it is better to talk to those who have been there and done that...I also joined the Relay for Life event for 2012, would your sister and you like to be involved in a BC event local to you? 

    I thought at the beginning I could move on after the surgery and neatly tidy away my experience with BC...but woohoo...that is not the case...I got LE 

    But I certainly don't sweat the small stuff anymore! Smile 

  • emailtracylbrown
    emailtracylbrown Member Posts: 15
    edited January 2012

    Thanks Rosemary.  As I mentioned to Margie, I'm not expecting her to forget and move on.  Or suck it up.  I guess I just want to help her lower her expectations.  She is forever changed--and I get that.  Here's an example.  She honestly felt that she wasn't invited to something (a party of someone she was acquaintances with)--because she wasn't going through treatment anymore.  It's been 4 1/2 years.   She believes people were much more inclusive when she was going through treatment.   Which may very well have been the case.  I think when someone is ill, specifically a woman with BC, women do whatever they think may help in the moment to help another woman. Because it is such an evil disease.  People came out of the woodwork to help her--in many ways.  I keep telling her that people did those things when she was going through treatment because that's all they could do--and she can't expect that from them indefinitely.   It was their only way to show how sorry they felt for her to be going through such hell.  But now it's hard for her to not to have all that...I'm not sure it's healthy to think that way.

  • stephN
    stephN Member Posts: 284
    edited January 2012

    Hi Sisterhelp,

    I'm really still new in my diagnosis (six months) so I'm not sure if I've reached the point your sister has.  I am so, so ready to find some kind of normal again.  I know the people in my life are tired of me being sick.  I know that I am forever changed, not just because of cancer but because I had a total hysterectomy/ooph and will be taking a drug for five years, too.  Treatment doesn't end for a long time.  It doesn't affect everyone the same way but I have been stunned at how consumed I have been with it and I have a really great prognosis, too.  

    I do hope that as I move from the active phase of treatment to the living beyond cancer phase that my sister and my daughter and I can work together to make positive lifestyle changes.  My sister and I plan to start walking together for exercise and my daughter and I are working together to find organic, whole food recipes to change the ones we eat now.  Maybe you could replace the things you did with your sister during treatment with a positive post-treatment activity.  She would still feel like you are spending time with her and it could be a positive change for both of you. 

    I do think that you are a great sister, to be there for your sis during treatment and to take the step to come here and ask for help.  You can't really understand cancer unless you have experienced it.  But you are trying and you want to do what you can to help, so I think your sister is really lucky! 

  • Southamptonmom
    Southamptonmom Member Posts: 491
    edited January 2012

    I'm sorry, I an not saying this to be mean, but this is not about you.If you really think about it, did you walk for your sister, or for yourself? My sister and friends keep asking me about the 3 day or the 5 K etc... What are your concerns that are specific to your sister, and not your own feelings.Is she not smiling, not laughing, not going to family functions? If she is compairing what she went through to someone else's hang nail, or pneumonia, she will forever. I think that illness, pain, and stress is all relative to the moment, and will change a person forever. I would never love my sister any less for responding with "at least you are still alive," but it will make me internalize it, and not say anything to her the next time.

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited January 2012

    Sister

    I know you are trying to help and that is a really good thing. If she wants help the suggestions of coming to this board or an in person support group are really good ones. It is just not the early intevention and you can move on thing that the media feeds us. I guess that is why you got so many strong reactions. It is only when you get into this that you find out how hard it is.

    To be frank, there are times I would like the attention I got when I was having treatment but I know that is not realistic. Your sister is saying things we all think at times. She just has not seen it necessary to filter those things out of what she says.

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