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  • beacher4209
    beacher4209 Member Posts: 540
    edited December 2011

    Hi ,  i have been following this thread for so long but just realized i do not know what takes place when you have the diep part 2? Can you let me know thanks!

  • CookieMonster
    CookieMonster Member Posts: 1,035
    edited December 2011

    beacher4209 - I haven't gotten to stage 2 yet, but my understanding is that it is surgery to make any adjustments/revisions to either the abdominal incision site and/or the breast if things are not exactly as you want them. It happens usually 2-3 months minimum after stage 1. I'm sure others can add more detail if you want it.

    -Judy

  • regenschirm
    regenschirm Member Posts: 82
    edited December 2011

    Such a lot can change in a few weeks.   I was originally scheduled for bmx with immediate diep on Dec. 16.   Preop led to questions about whether I was a potential candidate for post surgery radiation.    Which in turn led me to head to MD Anderson for an opinion on the whole thing.  Now I am scheduled for the BMX on Jan. 3.   No tissue expanders (personal decision) no immediate reconstruction (surgeon recommendation).  My risk of radiation is low but there.   Decision on timing of the DIEP will have to wait on final pathology of the tumor.   The surgeon gave us a long lecture about how doing the unaffected side wouldn't affect my long range survivorship (though she can't guarantee this).  That and the battery of tests were probably the  most exhausting aspect of the trip.  STill waiting on results of bone scans and CT for staging (ie to rule out spread).    I'm tired.  But feel good about the decision and that I'll be with a surgeon who really specializes.   Meanwhile, here I am 8 weeks post chemo and my eyebrows fell out!

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited December 2011

    regenschirm... I know of a woman who did have immediate recon, knowing she might need rads (which she did) and they overstuffed that side, to allow for shrinkage.. just so you know.

    Beacher... stage II includes nipples, scar revision, lipo, fat injections or any combination of those... Some doctors do it all at one time, others space it out, some do lots of lipo, others do almost none.

  • treesprite
    treesprite Member Posts: 359
    edited December 2011

    link to Stage II / stage 2 thread: (you may have to copy and paste) 

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/44/topic/769050?page=28#idx_838

    We all have different journeys and have to decide what is best for us based on the recommendations of our team and personal and family needs. Before BC, I had no idea how many different variations of BC out there. There is no right or best way to do reconstruction, just what is right for you.

    My goal for 2012: how to truly take good care of myself!!! work in progress and so much to learn about the reality of what 'self-care' means! 

    step 1: acceptance 

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited December 2011

    Had the DIEP Dec 15, and I managed a work meeting today. All the buildings were closed and it took quite a lot of walking energy to find an entrance I could get in via card access and get to a place to have my meeting. Good that it was closed so no one could see my shuffling stooped over make-up free face except for the woman I was meeting. I am not sure my concentration is A1, but I cranked out the 2 1/2 hours and shuffled back to car (to be driven, not drive) and I will surely sleep well tonight!

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited December 2011

    Kathy...

    Couldn't agree more
  • puce
    puce Member Posts: 159
    edited December 2011

    Good for you goldlining!!!  Awesome.

  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited December 2011

    Congrats Goldlining! Now relax and get some good sleep tonight!

  • regenschirm
    regenschirm Member Posts: 82
    edited December 2011

    Got word that the bone scans and CT were negative for cancer.   The chest xray result is preliminary but also looks good.  This was the boost I really needed today!

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited December 2011
  • mrsnjband
    mrsnjband Member Posts: 1,409
    edited December 2011

    Puce, I just work my way around the flap kind of overlapping as I go.  On the wider radiation area I use a couple fingers on each hand & do the same thing. 

    Julieanna, my ps said if you have light work, like a desk job, I could have gone back in 4-6 weeks. I am a music teacher so my job is a lot more demanding. The up and down isn't so bad if you take your time getting up. I didn't have issues getting up as long as I could get my feet under me. So make the best decision for you.  

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited December 2011

    Okay, I am starting to wonder when I will rejoin the ranks of the people who can walk upright...

    As I approach day 14 tomorrow, I can move okay especially once I get rolling, but I cannot yet straighten out. I have constant low-level discomfort, well below what I would take Tylenol for, and still quite an appropriate level of comfort in the circumstances. The ab skin is still too tight to straighten my back. My follow up is not for another 2 weeks yet (thanks, holidays.)

  • CookieMonster
    CookieMonster Member Posts: 1,035
    edited December 2011

    DH has maintained that I'm mostly upright, but after seeing me out of the shower yesterday without clothes to hide it, he noticed that I'm not fully upright, but almost. I don't know when we'll actually get back there. It is so weird to have such a drastically different body, I'm sure I'll get used to it sometime. I certainly hope I will.

    -Judy

  • treesprite
    treesprite Member Posts: 359
    edited December 2011

    something that has been said on this forum before that I want to reinterate . . . be very clear with your PS at each stage of the process if you want to see a change; especially a downward change in your breast size.

    I asked to go smaller, from a DD to a single D . . went for bra fitting yesterday and now I am a DDD.

    I had a reduction on the non-mx side so perhaps I was wearing an incorrect size pre-surgery because I'm definitely not bigger on the non-diep side or perhaps having the lift adjusted my size up?

    In going through the uni-diep, my PS made the diep side larger to accommodate for potential necrosis and during the lift of the non-diep side, matched to the diep side and then matched the diep side back to the non-diep side . . . if that makes any sense. 

    I should have been more insistent about size at each stage. I'm a bit disappointed to end up in a larger bra size rather than a smaller; even harder to find a good fit in a triple D versus a double D.

    I do look fabulous (she says modestly), but I would prefer a smaller cup size and less construction in my bras.

    After wearing camis and non-underwire for most of the past year and a half, I don't love going back to a more constructed, underwire bra but that provides the best support.

    Hi Shirley from Nordstroms!! (sorry I was a bit scattered yesterday . . . I hope I didn't mess up your name after asking you three times . . . I seem to have lost the ability to remember names and nouns  . . . .now where did I put that thingie-ma-bob?).

    treesprite / kathy

  • Seashellie
    Seashellie Member Posts: 152
    edited December 2011

    Kathy - Sorry to hear you're disappointed in your size. I do wonder though if a lift can change the size a bit or maybe you were in the wrong size before or just the sizing variations with different brands (which I found a lot of when I was bra shopping recently). Just a thought, but glad that you still look fabulous!

    Goldlining and Cookie Monster - I'm a month and a day out and am still not totally upright. But I've noticed a pretty big change just in the past couple of days so I'm getting there... slowly. I may be an exception though because I didn't have a whole lot of tummy material (to be about a C cup, as I wanted) for a bi-diep so he worked for it and pulled me really tight. The worst part now is the back pain after walking around a lot. I also get a little swelling in my belly if I'm on my feet too much. I'm still taking a tylenol or ibuprofin now and then. Glad I saved a few vicadin too for when needed.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited December 2011

    Thanks SeaShelly -- The light at the end of the tunnel for us all... I want to get upright so I can do more walking. The back is rough, and when I do try to straighten up, the skin forces the ab muscle against all my giblets--stomach, bladder, ovaries, what have you--and they complain. I think my situation/reason is similar to yours. My PS said afterwards "you were not so fat". He said the immediate uni mastectomy was 700g, and the belly flap was 500g. That was made into two breasts, so I am definitely smaller than I was, and very happy about that. I have plenty of random thigh fat I would love to donate to fill in any gaps in the tune-up, perhaps later in the spring or summer, but I'm very happy with the first draft. Happier when I can straighten up!

  • CookieMonster
    CookieMonster Member Posts: 1,035
    edited December 2011
    goldlining - to make you laugh, my PS said that he could have made me a third foob from my flap - he only had to make one not two, as I still have one as original equipment, but he could have made a second one out of the flap that he took. I definitely didn't get the "you were not so fat" comment. Maybe I can keep this new flat stomach!
  • ReadingMama
    ReadingMama Member Posts: 573
    edited December 2011

    I'm 4 weeks out as of yesterday and have been fairly upright for a while now.  My skin is so stretched that I feel like I'm pregnant and I just started walking yesterday and although I know I didn't look like it, I felt like a 7-8 month pregnant lady walking down the street.  I am still taking 2 Alleve each day and since Christmas Eve (when I overdid it) 2 tylonal in the middle.  I'm also still taking a nap every day, I lie day for about 1.5 hours each day.  No way could I return to work now as I can't even stay awake the whole day!  But each weeks gets lots better.

    I've done 7 HBOT treatments and the breast is no longer red, but is much smaller that the "perfect" right side and the underside is dry and hard in some places.  I am doing 3 more HBOT treatments next week.

    And my most important item in the hospital was definately my Ipod and headphones!  The one thing I didn't buy that I needed for home was an airline U pillow for sleeping on the recliner. 

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited December 2011

    Meegan... I was thinking of you the other day... was in Ridgewood for Christmas Eve.

  • ReadingMama
    ReadingMama Member Posts: 573
    edited December 2011

    Bdavis - how funny!  Were you at a relatives house?  Hope you enjoyed it!

    NJ - Also, I forgot to say that Wow 5 weeks doing HBOT sessions!  That's a long time!  Were you bored?  As I said, I'm going back for 3 more next week, which will make 10 in total.  I need to look at my DVD's to see if I have any movies I want to watch, as I have just been watching TV.  Although I've been somewhat enjoying The View!

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited December 2011

    Yes... up on Colvin Ct.

  • micheleboots
    micheleboots Member Posts: 1,993
    edited January 2012

    Ladies, I just found you.  I have recon planned for the end of Jan.  Here is my question...my husband works out of town and I only see him on weekends.  He plans to take a week off for my surgery.  Is this unrealistic.  Will I need him to be around a lot longer...I am getting a little freaked out.  I am wondering if I should wait until the summer when he can take more time off to help.  Since I live in snowey Canada, I wont be able to shovel I assume. 

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited January 2012

    Micheleboots I was in hospital 5 nts, and am 2.5 weeks out. While I've been taking advantage of the spousal breakfast in bed service and take-out etc, I have been more or less mobile since coming home and showered independently including shampoo the day I got home. I even went to work at 10 days out on a couple of occasions due to deadline issues, but I do plan to do less work after the deadline and focus more on my healing. I have walked an hour on the treadmill (and slept all the next day) and while I have not done heavy cooking, I chopped ingredients for dinner yesterday.

    Just not lifting anything. If you prepare to have things at counter level, you could probably cope unassisted. But NO shovelling. I haven't asked whether my city's shovelling for elderly and disabled residents applies to short term disability. I am also not driving. I find the anaesthetic leaves me wooly headed attention-wise for weeks and weeks and it's just not good for city driving. If no one drives me, I can take the streetcar (off-peak, not when it's crowded) when I need to get somewhere.

    The hospital arranged a homecare nurse from the CCAC as long as the drain was in (but the sooner I got rid of her the better). Home care can help with some things that are beyond your unassisted coping.

    I am finding this actually easier recovery than the mastectomy last year. Despite the abdomen cut up, the drain came out much earlier and I just don't feel as tight and numb. Maybe it's just that the plastic surgery team is more artful about closing the incision than Dr. Home Hardware with his staple gun.

  • JustLaura
    JustLaura Member Posts: 276
    edited January 2012

    Micheleboots - my husband also works out of town and is only home Friday - Sunday. He took the week of my surgery off but traveled the following week. My sister came to town that same week to stay with me since he was going to be gone. It was great to have her here and she was wonderful cooking meals and cleaning everything! But having said that, I could have been ok without her. Now I would have eaten microwave meals and not cleaned a thing - but that is doable. I also had several friends who brought meals by after I got home from the hospital and this was absolutely wonderful. I have never been the recipient of meals before, only brought them to others, but I have to admit it sure came in handy. Then I could just warm up a small serving of something for a meal and be set. I did this for about 6 weeks until I had the energy to shop and cook again. I do not have small children. I have a senior in high school and a junior in college. So I was working just on healing I did not have to care for someone else. If this was the case I would say that you would definitely need some help.

    You can stage your house accordingly too. All things that you need a arm height. Any dishes/glasses/towels out on the counter so you don't have to reach up to pull anything out of a cabinet or anything. Save laundry and other cleaning for your husband when he gets home. You will only need this for a few weeks and then can do most of it yourself. You can't lift anything greater than 10 lbs for about 6 weeks - but you can do a lot without that. Just takes more work (loading laundry in several smaller bundles, moving things one can at a time, etc.)

    You will most definitely not be able to shovel. Not for a long time (perhaps through the end of winter this year). Maybe you have a nice neighbor that can take care of you when your husband is out of town? This is one thing my son was great at. He would come home from school and see the driveway completely covered with snow and actually do it voluntarily (very unlike him) before even coming inside knowing that I always shovel right away and if there was still snow there than that I couldn't do it. I couldn't even push the shovel (yes I tried) as that hurt also.

  • formybabes
    formybabes Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2012

    I appreciate the reality, actually. I want to know what I am getting into. Have bi-lat mx scheduled for February. Then rads. Then recon.

    Have DIEP consult on Jan 4 to see if I am a candidate. I am terrified of the mx and all that will follow. At least chemo will be over by then. Good luck to all you brave women! You are my inspiration!

  • ladym13
    ladym13 Member Posts: 251
    edited January 2012

    Micheleboots- I am also in Canada, where are you having surgery and who is your PS?

  • micheleboots
    micheleboots Member Posts: 1,993
    edited January 2012

    Ottawa, Dr. Guey.

  • redninrah
    redninrah Member Posts: 773
    edited January 2012

    Ladies i go for surgery Monday......petrified. Anyways, what vital stuff shall I pack. I guess I'll be wearing hospital gowns for 5 days.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited January 2012

    There are some great lists somewere on this thread... I would pack slippers, a nightie (in case they let you wear yours, I did), toiletries, laptop or ipad, phone and chargers, yoga pants (loose wide waistband), loose tops.

    Its understandable to be scared but I think its a great feeling to just get the ball rolling... The first few days are sore, but you will improve.. one day at a time... 

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