A husband who has rendered me speechless

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  • LadyinBama
    LadyinBama Member Posts: 1,132
    edited January 2012

    Hey Miss,

    I was diagnosed with BC in May 2010. Then in Feb. 2011, I found out I had ovarian cancer. 10 surgeries and 12 rounds of chemo later, I'm still here and doing well. But my prince of a husband left me in November. He didn't "feel loved" anymore and I hadn't paid enough attention to him. Oh really? I never asked him to clean the house, do the laundry or cook a meal. It took all my energy to just keep things running as smoothly and normally as possible. So, I can either chalk it up to having made a mistake with who I chose to marry; or try to understand and work through it. The longer he is gone, the less I miss him. And I'm not even mad anymore. I have looked at my part in this and know I neglected him/my marraige, but not to the extent he says. So ... who knows? Sometimes we just have to cut our losses and move on. I'm getting to that point. Do an honest appraisal of what you feel and where you stand, pray about it (if you are a believer), and then do what is best for YOU!

  • Jodycat
    Jodycat Member Posts: 123
    edited January 2012

    How in the world could he know you are using your cancer to get out of things? He sees inside of your mind? He is a trained expert in the effects of cancer? I think i'd tell him that expert advice is crucial in for a solid recovery; if he'd like to accompany you to a doctor's visit, to discuss which of his ideas are realistic, that's fine. Otherwise, he has to realize that your listening to any amateur advice is at best risky and at worse lethal.



    He is an amateur. He needs to consult with experts or stop criticizing you.



  • Ang7
    Ang7 Member Posts: 1,261
    edited January 2012

    Oh my goodness.

    I finished chemo 2 years ago and I am just starting to get around to taking care of the house.

    Please take good care of yourself.

    Everything else will wait.

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited January 2012

    misswim...I am so sorry you have to deal with this.  Hang in there...it will get better.  You will start to feel better physically and then you will be able to sort out this whole dh thing.  Things always look better in the morning, they say.  And I know for a fact that things always look better once you are able to get back to exercising ....so hang in there.  And remember that you are not alone.  Anyone that has been married knows what it is to question that marriage.  And many of us who seem perfectly well married continue to have that question come up.  I have my doubts many a time.  We are in marriage counseling now, and I think we will make it...but whoever knows?  You are not alone...hang in there.  I will be thinking of you...

  • nwest125
    nwest125 Member Posts: 240
    edited January 2012

    Why is it that people lash out to the people closest to them. The things they say to us they never would say them to their friends or co-workers. Sorry you had to go thu that.

    Nancy

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited January 2012

    I am going to remember the dickhead comment, deborye.... and i have a good husband.    even tho he does drive me bats upon occasion... in fact i'm going to remember it all the time..  heh

    seriously, about every other day, his dick takes over his brain.

  • nora_az
    nora_az Member Posts: 720
    edited January 2012

    I'm sorry you had to listen to that BS. You know sometimes we try to hard to act as if we are fine, we try to do well, we were so damned determined to get through chemo and through treatment and act as if we were wonder women that people (even the jerks who we lived with who thought they knew) dont honestly understand what good actresses were really are.

    Chin up XXX  and big hugs.   I'm sorry your husband was being a jerk

  • deborye
    deborye Member Posts: 7,002
    edited January 2012

    Send him to Massachusetts, I'll kick his sorry ass for you, 

     

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited January 2012

    Several years ago I read a novel, If Not Love, written by Kay Langdale. Each chapter was devoted to a different woman and spoke volumes about her unique marriage. The book has continued to resonate with me because I once was critical of other women's partner choices. I wondered why some marriages were ideal and yet ultimately ended. Since reading the book, I no longer question those marriages that work or those that don't. The only thing I can say to you now is that I hope you will have the strength to find a journey that brings you peace. I wish you well and with Godspeed that the journey ends with happiness as well.

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited January 2012

    missswim.... i feel i must apologize... i do not mean to trivialize your situation with humor.  you have some tough stuff to deal with.

  • Spinnerpom
    Spinnerpom Member Posts: 106
    edited January 2012

    You don't know me, so please take this in the spirit it was intended, but your husband is a lucky guy.

    Lucky you don't own a gun.  Yell

     ((hugs))

    I'm sorry you had to go through that with everything else you're dealing with.  I'd like to try to excuse his behavior but I can't and I won't. 

    ((more hugs))

  • Timbuktu
    Timbuktu Member Posts: 1,906
    edited January 2012

    What a horror story!  It doesn't sound llke he has any empathy at all.  Sort of like my son who doesn't believe that breast cancer kills anyone and he's a dr.  He got a dog the day I went into chemo.  I am horribly allergic to dogs so now I will not be able to babysit my grandkids anymore.  Basically, I've been eliminated.  And he thinks he's done nothing wrong too.  

     I sent him the video of Martina McBrides song
    "I'm Gonna Love You through it".  It's a great little utube that shows how it's supposed to be.

    If you need release, go see "the girl with the Dragon Tatoo".  I walked in not knowing what it's about but there's a scene where she attacks a man.  I won't go into detail but you could feel every woman in the audience enjoying that scene, including me!  I'm not sure there is a woman alive who has not wanted to do what is done in that movie to some man sometime.  Good luck!

  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited January 2012

    Somtimes men can be so freaking mean and cruel! If i was you i would pack his bags and throw them out on the lawn. Was your H born an asshole or did this happen since you were DX? I agree with what Deb and Apple said he is a big D...Head!

    My DH can be a jerk somtimes but he was amazing throw my surgeries and tx's, in fact it brought us closer because i saw how much of a man he was and how supportive he could be. 

    Sending you big warm hugs! Debbie

  • nurseronda10
    nurseronda10 Member Posts: 209
    edited January 2012

    I feel I must chime in.  Three weeks ago I had pneumonia.....felt like death and my DH tells me to "move around more and you will feel better."  I felt like I had the flu, temperature 104, couldn't breathe, so I  go to the ER and I am admitted to the hospital with pneumonia.  He felt like an idiot.  I believe in karma "what goes around comes around."  He got sick too about a week later chest congestion, fever, sore throat and he is still coughing.   

    My 75 year old mother would stay with us and do laundry, cook, clean for a few days after each chemo session.  DH and DD, who was 15 years old at the time, complained that she got on their nerves, but neither one of them would lift a finger to do anything to help out.  So I had to listen to them ask the same things over and over for 5 months..."when she coming, how long is she staying, does she have to come this time."  

    My husband was an only child.  His dad was an alcoholic and his mother a frazzled mess. My childhood was totally different from his...2 sisters and loving parents who took us to church every time the doors were open.   I really feel some of his cold heartedness stems from his childhood.

  • LuvLulu07
    LuvLulu07 Member Posts: 778
    edited January 2012

    Much of this resonates with me.  My DH for the most part has been supportive and helpful.  He even read a book about partnering someone going through BC.  But some of the stuff that he says - geez - I just look at him and wonder if he can really hear what he's saying.   The worst is when I tell him that I'm still pretty tired and recovering from surgery and he looks at me as though I have 3 eyes.  He is expecting me to bounce back and be "normal" again - I let him know that I'm trying to figure out what the new normal is. 

  • Hpios65
    Hpios65 Member Posts: 8
    edited January 2012

    I'm so sorry. I too, am speechless.

  • misswim
    misswim Member Posts: 931
    edited January 2012

    My husband lost his mom at 2 from BC. He just lost a cousin to cancer who was like a brother two weeks ago. That was a terrible, miserable, heart breaking loss for us both. It hurt.

    But to come out of left field with the toughen up buttercup line and tell me I needed to get over myself becuase I am not dead, that I am sore from elective surgery not life saving surgery, that the fact that I am 38 and have breast cancer is no stinking big deal is totally unacceptable to me. TOTALLY.

    And this is a guy I love with all my heart. I am torn.

  • Lee_Asbell
    Lee_Asbell Member Posts: 12
    edited January 2012

    Perhaps you should ask that selfish, lazy little boy you married if HE would like to have the cancer for a while.

    OK, I've said my rant. Seriously, you have to tell him that counseling is the next step in the healing process. I am a thirteen-year survivor and I am telling you the road is long and winding. If he thinks this cancer stuff can just be put on the shelf he's completely deluded. 

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited January 2012

    Oh my gosh, Lee_Asbell...somehow, just now...you hit a chord with me...I thought...I don't still want to be "surviving" this in 13 years...then, I realized, that is precisely what I want...  Like a board between the eyes in an old cartoon.

    Thank you...for bushwhacking a path for so many to follow, for me to follow...  I am so grateful to you and all of the other women who have battled this for so long...and share your journey with those of us following you...  You are all so strong...I want to grow up to be like you...:)

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited January 2012

    seriouslythen.. I'd let it sit for a couple days.. write out what you want to say, kindly.. so you have your communication to him thought out. 

    guys have all sorts of crazy ways of dealing with this.. perhaps he is crazy scared for you and wants to shake you up.. they think so differently than we do..As my friend says.. I am just a man.. I can never do anything right when it comes to my wife.

    then i'd have a heart to heart.  For me, I've found it better to keep all my retorts and snarky comments buried inside where they can do no harm.  I am full of them.

  • corgi09
    corgi09 Member Posts: 53
    edited January 2012

    Does he have a support system he can dump his anger at?  I mean, we have here; what has he set up to help him?  There is so much to be angry about in us having cancer for the entire family.  So I think he needs to put on his big boy pants and get some support outside of the family and leave you out of the anger loop.  

  • CorinneM1
    CorinneM1 Member Posts: 539
    edited January 2012

    Miss Swim,

    How about this approach; you both need to reprioritize household responsiblities which include chores, bills and kids activities.  He feels as if you use cancer as an excuse?  Well show him that you don't. 

    Maybe if you map out what you both do and bring to the table, he will see that you do a lot, despite of cancer...and if you show that you do more (work, eat healthy, do 60% of the housework, 80% of the kids activities etc) vs his work and no activity, less of a share of a household chores, he won't be in a position to critize much if at all.

    I would sit down and write out what you did pre-cancer and what you have done during treatments. I would write down what he did pre-cancer and what he picked up during your treatments.  My guess is that he didn't do much if he is complaining that he has to do his own laundry. 

    You have a son?  How old?  What additional responsiblities did he take on?  If he is going snowboarding he is old enough to do laundry and help keep the house organized too.

    For example laundry--I do it 95%.  I carry it up and down the stairs, wash it, do the hand washables, dry, fold and put away.  When I couldn't do all of this, my 10 year old carried it up and down, my husband and 8 year old would start the washer and put into the dryer, my 10 year old would bring the dry clothes back to me, which I would fold, and every family member was responsible for putting away their clothes.

    Beds--I make them. But my kids learned to make their own every morning when I couldn't.

    Kitchen--I clean it 90% of the time.  But my husband would do the dishes with me, while one kid would sweep and the other would spray and wipe the countertops.

    Would this work for you?

  • misswim
    misswim Member Posts: 931
    edited January 2012

    The sad part, Corrine, is that even during treatment, I still did 80%while he did 20%. My son has defnatley learned to be more responsible and that has been a great help. My husband figured out how to pack his own luggage and pour a bowl of cereal and even a little grocery shopping during chemo, so that is also helpful. Now, he just expects it all go back to normal. And honestly, it is not so much the division of labor. It was the words he used. Toughen up, like I haven't been incredibly tough. You aren't dead. Nope, not yet, anyway. Hurtful, hurtful things. I'd clean the whole house all day every day if it meant he'd be nice. But that was not the case. I will move on from my cancer, but I will not allow anyone at all to discredit my journey. Not by a long shot.

  • CorinneM1
    CorinneM1 Member Posts: 539
    edited January 2012

    Swim, you are awesome.  Love your last two sentences.

  • misswim
    misswim Member Posts: 931
    edited January 2012

    Thanks Corrine. xo Missy

  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited January 2012

    I second Corinne's sentiments!!!

  • D4Hope
    D4Hope Member Posts: 352
    edited January 2012

    I am sorry your hubby spoke to you like this. I honestly believe men don't get it. My husband went off one me because I did not feel well at his sisters party and went home. He told me I needed to excersise more and have a more positive attitude. He had no idea how much BC and it's treatments can make me feel. I am on Tamoxifen and I feel like I am 80 sometimes, he just doesn't get it. We went to a therapist and my husband talked about how he felt about me always feeling like crap, all about him LOL. The therapist told him that it wasn't all about him, she even told him have some of your body parts removed and take a drug for five years that makes you miserable and then he could talk. I think it woke him up a little. I also told my husband if he wanted a spotless house that he was going to have to clean it himself, since my diagnosis I really don't give a hang if my house is picture perfect, it's not important in the grand scheme of things.

  • misswim
    misswim Member Posts: 931
    edited January 2012

    I got a very long call from the DH to apologize, which was appreciated. But I asked for specificic things he was apologizing for  he just didn't really recignize what made me so upset/ He's away for a few days and that is very good for me so perhaps he will have time to think and I will have to time to relax.

    Thank you ladies for letting me know I am not crazy and my sadness is ok. :) Your support means so very much.

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited January 2012
    All men need to have just one peckergram...thats all.....maybe then they would undertand just a tiny drop of what we go through....And all the wives should be there watching....
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Glad to hear you got the apology you needed, misswim. And I'm glad you have some time apart, so cooler heads (and warmer hearts) can prevail.

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