The Flat Look Vs Prosthesis (with Pics)

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited December 2011

    It's always a pleasure to see this inspiring thread surface again, with its encouraging and empowering messages about making choices.

    Congratulations, Djustme!

    Judith and the Mods

  • dogeyed
    dogeyed Member Posts: 884
    edited December 2011

    Linda Lou, that is one great post!  Yah, I went the non-reconstruction route, and I too sort of go around regular without any prosthesis or whatever.  But I also am like you in that I find if I wear loose blouses or a little jacket, you just can't tell what's going on there!  I also have a trick, I keep handy a long decorative scarf tied in a knot towards the end, and I'll throw that around my neck wheb I go out, it hangs down a few inches below my old boob, and it acts as a "coverup" type thing, and it completely takes away the attention from my flat part (I just have one boob flat).  Also, plenty of women are fairly flat-chested, so "only our hairdresser knows for sure!"  GG

  • Djustme
    Djustme Member Posts: 156
    edited December 2011

    I have purchased a couple of patterned tops that have a drapped neckline, and a built in solid coloured cami underneath at the neckline (Walmart $12). Another of my purchases includes a loose printed t-shirt material tops that have a self scarf which is sewed to hang down on the left side and hides my missing left breast. I bought one with purple pattern and one with blue pattern (sears).  These tops are loose in the chest area but semi fitted at the waist so they make you are very feminine. There are also lots of tops with gathers at the neck, but after trying on dozens, it is clear you have to chose fabrics that don't cling to the chest. Any patterned top with a jacket also works.

  • bak94
    bak94 Member Posts: 1,846
    edited December 2011

    LindaLou-you look great both ways! You are right, not much difference. I just had bmx and have to wait a year for reconstruction, but mabe I won't do it.....

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2011

    Just wanted to tell you thanks for the pictures. You look great, then and at the walk. 

  • Lumpynme
    Lumpynme Member Posts: 747
    edited January 2012

    thank you!

    im thinking flat for me for everyday...not sure about any other time!

    your pics appreciated tho!

  • thatsvanity
    thatsvanity Member Posts: 391
    edited January 2012

    You look beautiful in all the pictures!

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited January 2012

    Thought I would add to the pics. Over Christmas I took the plunge and purchased foobs as my deductible had been met for the year. 

    Shot with a webcam so leaves something to be desired but will give an idea.  This is a go to outfit for flat days.  First is flat from the side. 

    Next is with ABC size 4 girls in a Genie bra from the front.  The Genie seems to me to act a bit as a minimizer.

    Last is a side view with the foobs.


    I think you will see the change is subtle and does not raise eyebrows between a day with and a day without which was the goal.

    Barbara

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2012

    Great shots Barbara!! I`m sure they will help more women see how little a difference it really does make just to wear a bra!!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2012

    Looking good, Starak, either way as always. I am very jealous of those stripy sweaters you have. They are brilliant.

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited January 2012

    Momine: I am very fond of my stripey sweaters as well.  They are St. Johns Bay from JC Penney. Very reasonably priced when on sale.  They come in several colors of stripes and also a good variety of solids.  I find them very comfortable to wear even with my sensitive skin.  

    Barbe:  You are right, it is subtle and really most people are too much off in their own world to notice such things or care one way or the other if they do.  For my part, I am playing at the moment.  The initial thought was that it would really broaden my wardrobe choices to include fitted darted clothes which are really favorites for me. While I am happy with pieces that create a flat look or even an illusion of a bust, I am not so happy with seriously fitted darted blouses that tend to cave in.  I am kind of seeing it as a best of both worlds.   I did specifically pick a form size that was not too ridiculously small for my frame and yet small enough to be subtle.  Also minimizes the weight.  As much as it is subtle it makes an enormous difference in tailored clothes. 

    There is another odd thing going on that I will just have to wait and see how it shakes out.  When I had to wear the silicone pad and compression wrap after The Mutants removal, I noticed that the usual nerve damage issues on the right had nearly disappeared. Once I was fully healed and the wraps were gone, it started coming back, not as bad as before but bad enough.  Oddly it seems the pressure of the forms hits in just the right way to simulate the same relief as the pad and compression wrap. Believe me, while I like to look good, I am first and foremost all about comfort.  If the forms and the really comfy bra continue to give relief, I may wear them more than originally planned.  If they become uncomfortable, I will gladly let them collect dust on the shelf.  As I live in a hot climate, it may also turn into a seasonal thing, only time will tell.

    I did have a revelation the last week or two.  I have decided that I will never leave the house without girls, be they foobs that all can see or the best two out there that only I can see in my mind's eye.   Whichever ones, I will be wearing them proudly. 

    Barbara

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2012

    Barbara, have you been checked for LE? I can`t remember, the relief you are getting by having some compression tells me a story. Do you have a compression garment?

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited January 2012

    These photos are incredible, thank you so much Ladies for posting these pics!! You look wonderful and it all calms my mind.

    I may even become brave enough to try stripes! I think they really pull your eye up into the stripe and your eye never sees the "missing breasts". Awesome!

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited January 2012

    Crystal:  You are exactly right, the eye goes right to the stripe and never sees the missing breasts.  It works best if you pick the one that the solid color on the bottom is dark.  The one that is red on the bottom will not hide as well.

    Barbe:  I really can see how your mind would immediately go to LE.  However I am very confident it is not LE.  There is no swelling.  In fact if anything it's the opposite.  I think the PS said a very key thing when he removed The Mutants.  He said he was very surprised at how extremely tight everything was when he got in there.  I think what improvement I have is because he freed some scar tissue which is what I think is the exact problem.  I have thought from the get go that there is scar tissue impinging on a nerve or blood vessels or both.  Living with it, looking and feeling the right side (proph side) of my chest in comparison to the left (ca side), and reading about contracture, I think it is more like that.  Even though I never had implants I really think it is some kind of scar tissue contracture.  The left has a nice smooth surface with a layer of tissue over the ribs.  The right is fairly tight without the tissue layer over the ribs.  The right is the side that had the softball hematoma under the arm, the crater in the fluffy stuff where the end tack down stitch didn't let go for a very long time and had a lot of swelling pressuring the stitches.  In my mind, I am convinced it is scar tissue.  There has been so much improvement since The Mutant removal.  Not a cure but better. It makes perfect sense to me that he may have cut something loose in the process of the removal.

    Barbara

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited January 2012

    Barbe:  To directly answer your question, I had several follow-ups with the BS but other than that nothing. Remember I had a broken hand/wrist at the same time and the hematoma that took many months to fully resolve.  I was of course sent to the oncologist, but outside of that, I had no LE evaluations, no physical therapy, nothing.  I was left to my own devices but then being inclined to less is more in many medical situations, I was happy with that.

    Barbara

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2012

    Hmm, okay. But I have truncal LE, mild, and swelling isn`t my first clue. Sensitivity to the area is. Are you massaging the area aggressively to break up any scar tissue? I`m glad you got some relief, but ALL relief would be nice!!!

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited January 2012
    Great post Linda!  I've had no recon and I never wear my pros.  I always hated my boobs....now I know why, THEY WERE TRYING TO KILL ME! Smile  Actually, they were big, didn't fit the rest of my body and prevented me from wearing cute things (buttons gapped, etc)  I now wear all the cute things I can and never wear my pros.  I'm sure some folks look and wonder what is wrong with her but I don't care.  I throw a tank top on under my shirt and I'm out the door and comfortable.  I'm probably different but I feel more confident without my boobs in a way.  I'm more confident in wearing certain things and think I look better in them than I did when I had boobs, if that makes sense.  I was always self-conscious of my old girls and tried to hide them, I wore minimizer bra's so I could fit into to things and I hated how creepy men looked at them before looking at me.  But not anymore...they look and you can see the confused, WTH! look on their face....hahahaha!  Love all the pics ladies. 
  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2012

    Jenny, that`s true!!! I could never wear those gamish looks of flat, layered things as I just looked like a stuffed potato. Now I can wear all those flowy things and look great.

  • ReginaR
    ReginaR Member Posts: 287
    edited January 2012

    Hey Girls, Linda I can't thank you enough for posting pics.Really help me!
    I had my Rt mastectomy Jan 29 2010 with reconstruction with TE,But March 9,2010 due to infection lost the TE & had a Pot hole, I was so Upset about be lopsided & then May 2011 ,Breast Cancer visited me again to left Breast, so I then got the double I wanted from the Beginning( 1st suregon talk me out of it) Anyway I have decided against any reconstruction & actually feel comfortable in my Matching Even Flat Set.
    I don't wear my Prosthesis much & don't esp @ work,Because I wear scrubs, so I just wear an Under shirt & I am comfort in my own skin now. But the other day, this co-worker, ask me why i didn't wear them?? I said because it more comfortable & it's not that noticable. She laugh & said yes it is, there flat & then there flat. I change the subjact & just wanted to cry, But didn't want her to know it upset me. I still don't wear them under my scrubs,Not going let her get to me.
    I am glad to know you all look so good ,Thanks for sharing pictures!
    Have a Great weekend {{{{hugs}}}} Gina

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2012

     Again...it`s all about not having to wear a BRA ever again!!!!! Woo Hoo!!!!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2012

    If men had to rope up and tie down their testicles every day, you`d see a big change in bras!

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited January 2012

    Regina, wow, talk about rude!!! Your co-worker was out of line big time. Maybe one of the clever ladies here will come up with something we all can say when someone says something rude.

     In my opinion your co-worker has no business studying your chest... and I make the same choice as you, no reconstruction, no foobs most of the time.

    I also had the same thing as you, mastectomies almost 2 years apart, and wow, it is so much easier having both breasts gone....I like being sleek and flat. And I am opting for *comfort*. I want my spirit and soul to heal now....

  • vivirasselena
    vivirasselena Member Posts: 278
    edited January 2012

    Flat is BEAUTIFUL!  I am 5'10  140 lbs...and had my PS put in 150cc foobs.

    I love it.  Heck, he could have gone 125 and I'd have been just as happy

    Flat is freedom!

  • ReginaR
    ReginaR Member Posts: 287
    edited January 2012

    Crystal,Thnak you for the encoragmnet, Yes she is rude. But it made me second guess myself, If i should be wearing the Fake ones. But I decide I had to be comfortable!

    Hope all of you Beauitful Ladies are having a great weekend.

    {{hugs}} Gina

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2012

    Good grief, Regina, what a freakin' bitch. I am so sorry. It really is too bad if your BC makes her uncomfortable, and it most certainly is not your problem. Maybe get a really tight and tiny tee and wear it around her, just to rub her nose in it.

  • Quaatsi
    Quaatsi Member Posts: 385
    edited January 2012

    Thank you for this thread.  I had a bmx in Oct11 and am fine in clothing except for finding more dressy clothes. I will get there.  i really dont much care that I don't have breasts anymore-- I am an outdoorsperson and it certainly makes that easier. But, that said, there are times when just a little bit of...hmm.. poof... in those cavities might be nice.  But I have a funny story--

    I play the guitar and haven't in some time.  I just pulled it out again for the first time since the bmx and weird...guitar doesn't quite "fit" me....LOL

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited January 2012

    Regina:  I am so sorry this happened to you.  Sooner or later, we will probably all run into the just plain mean idiot.  Apparently you found yours.  People like her really are the exception and not the norm.  My idiot who questioned the BMX, who seemed more concerned about boobs than my life, was my ex-husband.  Like it would be better to be a good looking corpse.  Made me grateful he was an ex.  Even he is not that big an idiot.  After a week or so to think it over, he came to realize that upright and doing well trumped boobs.

    How do WE treat others?  I ask because if I see for instance a war veteran with missing limb(s), that I know sometimes wear prosthetics and sometimes or even mostly doesn't, I do not feel compelled to ask them why they don't wear them.  It just doesn't occur to me that I need to get in the middle of how they handle that part of their life, and even in the conversation in my own head just presume it is likely about comfort.  Whenever I see people with whatever disabilities or challenges, if I feel compelled, I feel compelled to look them in their face, give them my biggest smile, and say Good Morning.

    When I go flat, it is with confidence but not defiance.  I am not looking to shock people or for some kind of confrontation.  I am certainly not daring them to question me.  When I say people generally don't notice at all or if they do it is of no consequence to them I mean it.   That really has been my experience over now some 20 months.

    Barbara 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2012

    My 2 kids got married within 6 months of each other after I lost my breasts! I got a beautiful gown, strapless that had boning in the chest area. We bent the boning over so the top lay flat against my chest and it gave the impression of a bit of swell. It had a shrug that I wore for one of the weddings and not for the other. Trying to make one dress look like two!! Makes you realize that breasts are just NOT such a big part of your day!!!!

  • Starak
    Starak Member Posts: 536
    edited January 2012

    BTW, the underlying purpose of my last post was to let those of you thinking about maybe going flat or trying it out, to realize that Regina's experience with a co-worker was an anomaly and not what you are likely to encounter.  Even the fashion police, Stacy and Clinton, from What Not To Wear, were happy to help a no reconstruction no prosthesis survivor, build a new wardrobe around flat using some of the same techniques we all use.  They fully embraced her decision to go flat and worked with it.

    I don't care whether anybody decides to wear forms always, sometimes, or never.  What I do care about and hope for all of us is that decision on any given day is never based on fear or anxiety and that it is no more earth shattering than what color to wear.

    Barbara

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    Barbara/Starak, you hit the nail on the head in both posts. I've only had one weird experience - the woman looked at my chest and her expression suddenly became disgusted or horrified. Didn't really matter why, because who knows what was going through her mind. When she finally looked up and realized I was looking at her, I just smiled a friendly smile. She looked a little uncomfortable, didn't acknowledge and looked away. Oh, well. It was very soon after my deconstruction, so if I was going to freak out over it, it would have been then. I just know my story and what I have been through and feel fortunate to be here, healthy and pain-free. It makes me feel confident, not embarrassed. I think if someone had made a direct comment questioning my choice, I think I might just say something like going flat was a choice I made concerning my body and my appearance. If they are ever faced with such an unfortunate decision, then they can make the choice that's right for them. And I don't mean that in a snotty or aggressive way, as I wouldn't wish this experience on anyone.

    Honestly, I don't think most women have a clue about making such a choice unless they have had a mastectomy. I know there is pressure for conformity in certain regions of the country, but even with that, each person ultimately deserves to do what is right for themselves.  

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