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  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited December 2011

    compassionate use????I need it for lots of reasons and all my drs said NO.its for extreme pain and MS only.

    what do they mean exactly compassionate use?????almost dead!!!!!almost overdosed from pain killers!!!!!!can you explain this horror to me....I have been fighting with all my drs.for years for many stomach issues...NO NO NO....grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  • BlueCowgirl
    BlueCowgirl Member Posts: 667
    edited December 2011
    It makes me SO ANGRY too. On a personal level, I am not opposed to breaking the law, and do so regularly. But seriously, to me this is such a huge issue, and one I hope to become involved in supporting as soon as I have more energy to do so!

    If it were up to me, I'd legalize it for everyone, but mmj is the first step...Best to you Grannydukes and I hope you find relief from your pain.
  • BlueCowgirl
    BlueCowgirl Member Posts: 667
    edited December 2011

    Oh re: the "compassionate use" thing. From what I understand, and this is just my personal opinion, "compassionate use" means lots of red tape, ambiguous wording, patients jumping through hoops, and government being too involved in what should be a personal right. The FDA has an official compassionate use policy which is clear as mud. 

  • BlueCowgirl
    BlueCowgirl Member Posts: 667
    edited December 2011

    And one more thing before I totally piss my family off by being late for dinner...Governor Christie of NJ, f*ckhead that he is, does not want to release the names of the hundred and some doctors who have signed up as willing to prescribe mmj, supposedly to prevent these doctors from federal persecution, but really IMO to put the onus on the patient and make it impossible to find the right place to go. Really? It all seems so reefer madness to me. You'd think we as the human race would be more fuly evolved than that by now, but nope, not in the state of NJ!

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited December 2011

    Blue---I sent you a PM

  • christina1961
    christina1961 Member Posts: 736
    edited December 2011

    In my opinion, restrictions against medical marijuana use are the result of closed minds lacking in compassion. The benefits for patients would far outweigh any risk to society.

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited December 2011

    Christina---I agree with closed minds and lack of compassion but i also feel the old mighty dollar has something to do with it too.its always how much can who/they make.dont you think?

    I heard someone say if they won the lottery the first thing that they would do was move out of NJ.....wonder why???

  • Mandalala
    Mandalala Member Posts: 162
    edited December 2011

    What a strange term, compassionate use! I google-translated it into Swedish (my mother tongue) and got something meaning "use for humanitarian reasons" which should apply to band-aid as well.

    I read that Copenhagen maybe will legalize marijuana, for all kinds of use. The city council has voted for it, and the parliament will decide in January. It will be interesting to see what happens. 

  • sarahlou1967
    sarahlou1967 Member Posts: 153
    edited December 2011

    Hi Ladies,

    Have been taking MMJ ever since April this year I was dx back in early March this year with IDC BC at stage IV with mets on both lungs. I live in England and risk going to prison if I get caught growing it, we make the oil out of the Indica strain bud using solvents which is very dangerous and we have to do it at night cause its illegal over here, I ingest it in a capsule form and have followed rick simpsons guidelines, it certainly helped me through chemo and helps me sleep now due to hot flushes from tamoxifen, I am currently on herceptin also, and my lung mets are after chemo tiny and stable, obviously we dont know what is keeping them stable it could be the chemo it could be the hemp oil, I would not advise anyone with cancer to smoke it but you can buy something called a vapouriser to take the bud without harming your lungs, I personally don't but it is an option. Being at stage IV from the get go has made me realize that I really don't care about anything anymore and if it means its saving my life to do something deemed illegal then so be it, I have to try everything within my power to prolong my life and survive, I don't just take MMJ I also have completely changed my diet and green juice ala Kris Carr.

    Mandalala - If they do legalize it I would definately look to move over to sweden I love swedish design (I am a designer) and if I can buy the oil without living in fear of the law I will do, can you keep us posted on that point of legilization. Many Thanks

    Sending you all healing vibes

    love and light

    sarahsweety xxx 

    P.S. my Onc. knows all about what I take and make. 

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2011

    No, I haven't tried pot. Mostly because I never liked it much. Also because the idea of smoking when I have a CA DX seems pretty dumb (I know you can eat it, but still), and because I never had any serious problem with nausea during chemo. I do have lingering aches and discomfort from the surgery, but not really serious enough to warrant narcotics or pot.

    However, I would not rule it out. I found that acidophilus and garlic worked better to keep my stomach in order and thrush at bay during chemo than the stuff the docs prescribed. So, if I have to do chemo again one day and I have trouble eating, I would probably look to score some pot and give it a try.

  • Mandalala
    Mandalala Member Posts: 162
    edited December 2011

    Sarahsweety – Copenhagen is in Denmark. In Sweden, it is just getting possible to mention legalization without becoming a complete outcast ... but from there, an actual legalization is many years away. Sweden is nice, but it's also the promised land of moral panic, in my opinion. (As if mmj would threaten anyone's moral ...) 

    Anyway, I will keep you posted. Tell your mets to keep shrinking and good luck with your garden work!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2011

    "Sweden is nice, but it's also the promised land of moral panic, in my opinion."

    LOL, Mandalala, obviously we Danes do you guys a grave injustice when we accuse you of lacking humor. 

  • Mandalala
    Mandalala Member Posts: 162
    edited December 2011

    Momine – LOL, too Smile

    I knew you accuse us of a lot, but that one I never heard! 

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2011

    Yeah, Mandalala, the top three accusations against the Swedes are that they lack humor, that their cooking sucks and that their women are, uhm, somewhat sexually predatory ;) We have never gotten over loosing Skåne, what can I say? :/

  • Mandalala
    Mandalala Member Posts: 162
    edited December 2011

    Oh, I thought you thought Swedes 1) just crawl around drunk in Copenhagen and Helsingør, 2) are moralists and 3) are just not Danish! Swedish accusations against Danes are that 1) they are racists, 2) they "speak with porridge in their throats" and 3) their cooking sucks ... 

    Prejudices can be quite fun! 

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2011

    LOL, quite hilarious that we each think the other's cooking sucks. I have to say that both sides may be right, if we are talking about old-fashioned Scandi cooking. Some of it is pretty abysmal, on both sides of the sound. We, of course, always bring up surströmming on these occasions. :p

    The drunk thing. Well, that used to be a biggie, but since you legalized alcohol, the problem has more or less disappeared. 15-20 years ago, it could get pretty bad in Copenhagen on a pleasant June day, with the hydrofoil coming in from Malmö every half hour. A popular advertising slogan in those days was 'Do the nation a favor, take a Swede to the boat."

    Racists? OK, that is a new one to me, but we do have those blasted "Pianists" also called "Dansk folkedragtsparti" properly known as "Dansk Folkeparti." Those folks are embarrassing, I grant you.

    But, yeah, you got me on the "are just not Danish." This is a problem ;) 

  • pupfoster1
    pupfoster1 Member Posts: 1,484
    edited December 2011

    Hi girls,

    Glad to hear this thread is still active.  Still haven't been able to access it here in MD, but here's a shocker---my PC has willingly px me in the past month 2 px's for oxycodone and one for vicodin.  I guess it's better for them to dump the $ in to the pockets of the pharmacutical companies.  Actually I don't fault him, his hands are tied by the law and I am just happy for some pain relief.  Just wish I didn't have to use the heavy stuff........

    Happy New Year Ladies,

    Sharon

  • Mandalala
    Mandalala Member Posts: 162
    edited December 2011
    The Pianists Dansk Folkedragtsparti, that's hilarous! You got us on the surströmming and I think we got you on the remoulade ... but I also think we are getting far away off topic ... Maybe we should start a thread about funny prejudices on the humor and games board?
  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2011

    Told ya we have humor ;) But, yeah, it is getting a bit OT. BTW, are you any relation to the Sterner family by some wild chance?

  • Layla2525
    Layla2525 Member Posts: 827
    edited December 2011

    It is legal in Oregon and Colorado? Is that right?  All it is good for is the nausea? What does it help with?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2012

    It is legal in Arizona too.  There are lots of places you can go and "apply" for a card.  Cancer patients do qualify.  Many people get a rx for insomnia and things like that.   I think funny though, it is medically legal but a felony if no rx and even have even one seed!  I am going for tx #6 on Tues of TAC.  I have had terrible nausea and stomach issues.  I am going to ask my onc if he prescribes it and if not I am seriously thinking of stopping at place that says "medical marijuana" on the way home.  A friend gave me some drops last round and it totally helped.  I would like to try during worst days of chemo and see if it helps.  I tried acupuncture also, helped a little but nothing like drops.  I agree with you Sharon I would much rather take a couple drops than all the heavy stuff.  Happy New Year!

    Sara ♥

  • BlueCowgirl
    BlueCowgirl Member Posts: 667
    edited December 2011

    Wrote a big long post and the $*#($& computer ate it. In summary:

    1. The Swede vs Dane thing is killing me, please do not do it in private, I love it too much

    2. Marijuana is *not* just for nausea. It was the only thing that helped the terrible headaches I got during chemo. It also has a number of other great properties, a more thorough list of which got eaten by my computer. 

    3. US marijuana laws (and apparently UK laws, sorry Sarahsweety) are inane, barbaric, and motivated by greed and ignorance. 

    4. No horrid side effects! But yes, by all means, continue to prescribe us addictive and dangerous narcotics with horrid side effects, that don't alleviate our pain nearly as well...because that TOTALLY makes sense. </sarcasm>

    JMHO

  • CherylinOhio
    CherylinOhio Member Posts: 623
    edited December 2011

    my onc has hemp pills that he offered but I declined as pot gives me the munchies. I assume med pot is legal here in ohio in a pill form, I smoked it anyways for recreation, but since I quit smoking cigs, have not been smoking pot. But it helps with stomach issues and with sleeplessness.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2011

    JMHO

    I agree with you totally, especially #3.  Greed and politics (controlled by lobbyist).  The nausea has been my main issue and I sure wish mm was offered from the beginning.  I am interested to see how it helps all se this last round.

    Sara ♥

  • Mandalala
    Mandalala Member Posts: 162
    edited December 2011

    Momine – I know of some Sterner's, but just by name, not in person, so no relations.

    Layla – Some studies show that marijuana may also protect against breast cancer and bc recurrence. I have posted some links in this thread earlier.

    BlueCowgirl – I just felt that we (or I) might go on forever and that hijacking the thread might not be OK ... but I take the chance Smile 

    So, Momine again – I am curious about the sexually predatory thing! What are we doing? (I have a feeling that it has to be someone else, but for now I call it "we".) About cooking: I quite like some traditional Scandinavian food, like pickled herring. But some of it is yucky, like the Swedish sweet, spongy bread which not even Swedes eat anymore, I think. And the fermented herring, of course.

    By the way, have you seen the tv series Bron (The Bridge)? A friend suggested that the character Saga Norén – the Asperger police inspector – was an image of how Danes see Swedes. What do you think?

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2012

    Ok, Mandalala, then we are not related, lol.

    I have not seen that series, but a bit aspergerish might sum it up. We tend to find you guys a bit too serious, a bit cold that sort of thing. Pretty much what Greeks say about us.

    The women, well, the idea is that Swedish women pretty much see a boy they like, bang him on the head, drag him back to the cave and then they rape him :) The boys don't mind, given the worldwide reputation for pulchritude that Swedish women have. 

  • Merilee
    Merilee Member Posts: 3,047
    edited January 2012

    Medical thc is available by rx. It is called Dronibinal. If you want to sleep through the worst days of chemo ( which I strongly suggest) it works great as a sedative. Also will help with lack of appetite.

    No hang over like some of the other chemicals on the market.

  • Mandalala
    Mandalala Member Posts: 162
    edited January 2012

    Momine – then I guess Saga Norén is really the Swedish female stereotype, because that's just about how she handles her love life!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2012

    LOL, I have to get this series. By the way, I don't necessarily think the approach is bad. 

    Danes can be really bad too though. Two of my girlfriends shared an apartment years ago. They are quite bohemian, so they also shared a bed. Not as lovers, just for practicality, so they would only need one bedroom. One day they found an American backpacker in the street. He was out of money, so they took him home to give him food and shelter. At bedtime, each girl stripped naked for bed and told him he could sleep in the middle. Then they said goodnight and went to sleep. The poor boy was apparently very confused. They told me the story, because I lived in the US at the time, and they thought that maybe I could explain to them why the boy had been so confused and upset. 

  • Mandalala
    Mandalala Member Posts: 162
    edited January 2012

    Well, it works for her ... 

    Funny story :-) I had a similar experience a couple of decades (like 3) ago, when two of my friends were living together and sharing a bed – also not as lovers. There was space enough for a friend or three as well, so I often spent the night when I visited them. But one night a friend of the brother of one of the girls couldn't handle the situation. I had to explain to him through the night that I didn't want his hands on me at all. When he finally got it, he peeped out and slept on the couch. The guy was Swedish, though.

    But now I came to think of some women who could probably be conceived as predatory ... Wouldn't call them typical, but probably ... protruding.

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