December 2011 Surgeries - want to wait together?

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  • Momof2inME
    Momof2inME Member Posts: 683
    edited December 2011

    I had my surgery (BMX) last Wednesday (21st) and was lucky enough to have the 3 drains out the following Monday (26th). I too am having a lot of difficulty with the TEs. I think all the pain I have left is from those suckers. I can feel them pressing in my ribs and it is painful trying to find a comfortable place to sleep, and sonetimes even breathe. The best so far is on my back laying on a wedge pillow with pillows under my knees and pillows under my arms. Now we are back to waiting for the path report about my lymoh nodes. Very anxious about that this week.

    Hope everyone else is doing well and good luck to the remaining surgeries this year!!! :)

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited December 2011

    For anyone who had a dye guided SNB, do you still have visible blue dye? My surgery was back on the 9th of December and I still have a patch of blue at about "6 o'clock". Just wondering if I'm going to be Smurfette forever...



    regards Jenn

  • CookieMonster
    CookieMonster Member Posts: 1,035
    edited December 2011

    Jenn - I had the dye procedure. I did not have a patch last so long, but I read that the blue patch can last for 6-8 weeks, I think. Boy did I pee blue for a day or so after it though.

    -Judy

  • CharB22
    CharB22 Member Posts: 310
    edited December 2011
    Jenn- I had the dye guided SNB the same day as you and I'm still blue, too - a lot smaller of an area, but still blue. Are you still sore? I am.
  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited December 2011

    Momof2in ME - praying for a good final path report for you...

    Keeping gabe2011 in my prayers for a successful procedure today...

    No blue dye for me, but I sure notice the difference in my SNB armpit and my non-SNB armpit!

  • chrissilini
    chrissilini Member Posts: 313
    edited December 2011

    No blue for me either. But I too notice a difference in the snb pit, my left one. I can almost lift my right arm straight up without any problems, just a little pulling and I think that's the expander. But my left, not even close. That armpit even feels more full, not really swollen , just weird. I hope the feeling will go away at some point. I did ask my ps about the 'fullness' I feel in my armpits. He said that breasts pull forward,(mine were small but saggy) and with them they take a layer of fat and pull that forward as well. So, what I'm feeling is the fat sitting there. Great. Hope with the foobs everything gets back to where it belongs!

    Hope everyone is doing well!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2011

    A week out from just a SNB...no blue dye evidence (other than peeing blue for 1 day) BUT on day 8 and now day 9, a larger area under my arm is much more sensitive than it was and seems a bit swollen, but only by feel.  Maybe I never felt it before, but it definitely feels sorer.  Could this be normal?

  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited December 2011

    Thanks everyone for the replies :-)



    CharB22: Yes, my breast is still sore. A weird mix of numb and sore at the same time around the surgery area and my nipple is very sensitive even though my tumor was nowhere near it. My breast also seems lumpy along and under the incision line. I'm just assuming it's where everything was cauterised back together...



    regards Jenn

  • CharB22
    CharB22 Member Posts: 310
    edited December 2011
    Jenn--thanks for the reassurance that I'm not going nuts. My nipple is extremely sensitive too and I thought it was strange (it gets a bit painful when I get cold, if you know what I mean!).
  • Jennt28
    Jennt28 Member Posts: 2,021
    edited December 2011

    CharB22: No problem. It's summer here so I can't tell if it's going to react to cold weather yet ;-)



    regards Jenn

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited December 2011

    I never peed blue nor do I have any dye marks on me, but I know they injected dye right under my nipple to find the SN.  My breast around the incision and nipple area are still sore and sensitive and it's been two weeks and two days since surgery.  I'm seeing the doctor tomorrow so I'll ask him if this is normal.

  • CharB22
    CharB22 Member Posts: 310
    edited December 2011

    Jenn--I wish it was warm here!! We're just starting our winter and I hate, hate, hate the cold!! When I retire in 20 years, I'm moving somewhere warm!!

     Kaara--let me know what doc says. I think we had our surgeries about the same day (12/9).

  • Kayce234
    Kayce234 Member Posts: 249
    edited December 2011

    Does anyone remember how long we are supposed to wear the sports bra after surgery (had a lumpectomy with SNB but was closer to a segmental mastectomy)  I'm so tired of the sports bra and want to get back into the normal underwire bra but am afraid to switch or not wear one to bed.  I still have some weird feeling in the area and under the arm so I'm not sure if it's okay to switch and to keep it off at night.

     Good luck to all our ladies coming up on their surgeries.  Sounds like the ladies who have recently had surgery are doing well --- prayers for all! 

  • mamabearto2
    mamabearto2 Member Posts: 11
    edited December 2011

    Hi Ladies,

    I'm just checking in... and I'm actually kind of glad to see that I'm not a total wimp.  Although it isn't BAD, I am still uncomfortable after my 12/9 surgery.  Even the side that was only augmented is still REALLY sensitive.  The tissue expander feels weird today... like it is pushing on my ribs.  I actually woke up to find myself sleeping on my side last night, and I actually think the TE shifted a little bit. I get a fill on Friday, so I'll ask the PS, but I've actually been feeling a little defeated.  I just want my life and my body back.  I know I shouldn't be complaining... I've gotten SO lucky with pathology, etc... but ....

    Anyway.... I actually drove to the mall today... took the kids on an outing.  I think they are beginning to feel like they have their mommy back!

    Jennifer

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited December 2011

    Kayce:  I stopped wearing my sports bra to bed about a week ago.  It just felt more comfortable to sleep without it.  As for the day, I wear it most of the time, unless I'm wearing something that needs a real bra then I switch.  Doesn't seem to make a difference on how I feel either way...I'm still somewhat sensitive in that area.

  • CharB22
    CharB22 Member Posts: 310
    edited December 2011
    Kayce234 - I seem to remember reading something about no underwire bras. I stopped wearing underwires after my 1st son was born (14 years ago). They're just too uncomfortable for me. Have you tried the Ah bra? I got one after my surgery and it's comfortable...kind of like a sports bra, but longer in the front, which I like considering my incision is vertical starting at the 6 o'clock mark and traveling up to my nipple. If you decide to try the Ah bra, I'd get 1 size larger than you think you'll need. I got a large (it's what most of my shirts are), but I really need an XL so it's not as tight.
  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2011

    BC is a maize! Just when I thought I had studied everything that could or would happen, I discovered I might have Axillary Web Syndrome- referred to as "cording" in my armpit, from the SNB. Feels as hard as a new muscle, located in my armpit and running parallel to my SNB scar. Not a muscle, but a part of the lymph system that isn't draining properly. I'm realizing now that being 370 miles from my care facility is going to be a big problem! Anyone else experience "cording?"

  • Ginger48
    Ginger48 Member Posts: 1,978
    edited December 2011

    Kam- I have a little cording with my lymphedema. Are you getting manual therapy?

  • CookieMonster
    CookieMonster Member Posts: 1,035
    edited December 2011
    kam - yes, I had cording. One went straight down the middle of my armpit. It did resolve eventually. My BS seems to think it was normal and not anything to worry about. I'm sure if it hadn't cleared she would have had me do something about it, but it did clear after 3-4 weeks, I think.
  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2011

    Ginger and Cookiemonster - no therapy (if even) yet. I called the nurse, not my normal one, yesterday, but I hadn't felt "this thing" yet, just increased sensitivity (rather than pain) in my armpit.  She mentioned "cording" ever so slightly, but as usual, I only half-listened because I didn't think or know that could or was happening to me.  So I only discoverd the ridge last night and did the self-diagnosis.  It makes sense, I didn't just grow a hard sinuey ridge under my armpit for nothing.

     My regular nurse will be back today, so will see what she thinks. I guess there is conflict in the literature whether this leads one to lymphodema, or just coexists.  So no "manual therapy" yet Ginger, but since I woke up today feeling so much better (except for this issue), but definitely not as sore ( but more congested would be the word), I'd love to work on getting rid of this thing, if it ever decided to grow bigger. I was reading about a woman that had cords all the way down to her hand!!!  Cookie - that is good that yours disappeared.  Since I have a lull in my schedule before BMX (still not scheduled), I thought this might be a good thing to be proactive about and stop dead in it's tracks!Smile  It's nice to find out one isn't alone!!!

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited December 2011

    I have considerable lumps under my armpits (worse on SNB side), but doesn't sound like cording. I do have an appt with a physical therapist/lymphedema specialist next week, so I am prepared to ask lots of questions!

    I was wearing a tight compression sports bra after the bandages came off and the drains came out, but found they were way too tight to sleep in. Others I had were too loose. I compromised and wore my mastectomy camisole (which I never wore while I had drains) with a looser sports bra on top. Today I just have on a smaller MX cami, which is just about as compressive as a sports bra, with the added feature that the band doesn't roll up under the IMF. Ow. Love my Genie bras, but the bands roll up.

    I think I may have discovered a combination of meds that work with the almost constant TE pain. During the day I kind of tough it out with either Aleve or Motrin, and a muscle relaxer.

    But at night, I start with DH giving me a back massage with some trigger-point therapy. Then I take a nice long relaxing shower.  I take a Norco at  7 pm, a Norco at 8 pm, and a Valium at 9 p.m. That helps me get to sleep and stay asleep for a few hours, and even if I wake up in some discomfort, I don't have to get up and take any more pain meds.

  • Janie-bug
    Janie-bug Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2011

    I to have not followed everyone surgeries over the holiday but I have scanned through them and it seems that everyone is doing pretty good. And I am so happy about that

    Kam170 so glad to hear your great news on your path report

    PickyChicky Hoping you drains are out soon. It is so much nicer when they are gone

    Terry71 When they took my drains out they did not hurt they just felt strange with a "pulling/Prickley feeling".....And it was awesome to have them out

    Blessings2011  I laughed out loud when I read that you think your PS inserted the AMAZON size TEs. That is exactly how I feel about mine!!!!!!!.... I also have been having trouble sleeping on my back. I am a belly sleeper. I have been doing a little better with sleeping on my sides. I can sleep on my left side better then my rt side. My right foob seems to be more painfull and still has swelling. That is the one the Ca was in and the SNB was done so mybe they did more damage to it or something but I can't lay on that side for very long.

    Going to see the MO on Wensday so I will know then if I need chemo. I will also be getting my second "fill up" for the TEs that day also. The first one was not to bad, I took my PS advise and took a mucle relaxer and a pain pill about an hour before and it worked out pretty well. Got my Oncotype results today and it was 2 the nurse told me that she had never seen one that low. Not sure it thats good or not. I guess I will find out Wensday at the MO's

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2011

    A Oncotype "2" is fantastic Janie-Bug!!  That means NO Chemo from what I know.  I friend of a friend of mine got a "0" and the doctor had never seen that before, so these low to zero numbers are rare indeed.  Congratulations!

    Can I ask how many cc's they fill you up each day and how many days or weeks apart??  Do you know your final goal?? 

  • Kayce234
    Kayce234 Member Posts: 249
    edited December 2011

    Janie-Bug a 2 is amazing!!!  Congrats!!!  Anything under a 24 is no discussion of chemo!  Mine was a 16 and I thought that was good but a 2 is AWESOME!!!!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2011

    I don't know if this is correct, or not, but my (very young) Onocologist said to me about the Oncotype Score:  You start out at 100% survival, subtract your Oncotype Score, and that is your probablity for survival....I didn't ask over what timeframe...probably 5 years, but I'm not sure of the 5 years part.  (This calc does not include the positive affect one would get from Chemo or other therapies.)

  • CookieMonster
    CookieMonster Member Posts: 1,035
    edited December 2011

    Hey ladies,

    They took out both of my drains today (exactly 2 weeks post surgery). I forgot to ask if I can sleep on my side now. I had a UMX on the right and normally sleep on my left side. Anyone know if I'm OK to sleep on the left side? Thanks!!

    Having these two out didn't hurt nearly as much as the boob tube one did. It felt weird as the internal part slid across my belly on the inside, but they didn't hurt much. I'm glad to be rid of them though. They weren't THAT much of a pain for me, but I'm just as happy to have them gone. Now I'm without any extras right now, pretty much (unless you count the binder, but it's more of a girdle than anything else). In fact the NP today said I could switch to a girdle, but I don't own one so I'll stay with the binder.

    Janie-bug - a 2 Oncotype is very good. Unless you have other mitigating factors, that number would definitely indicate no need for chemo. Mine was a 14 and I didn't need chemo either. The lower the number the less likely you are to need chemo.

    I hope that sleeping will be good tonight with the drains out. DS is off at a sleepover so it's just DH and me tonight, he might even get some snuggles, we'll see. :)

    Have a good evening all.

    -Judy

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited December 2011

    I just got back from the hospital a few hours ago. I wasn't for sure if I would come out with one breast gone or blmx. About an hour before surgery, the surgeon came by. I said, I didn't have peace about taking off the left breast. The bc surgeon said before surgery the debate was over, and what I wanted she would do it. The plastic surgeon then came in and I said the same to him. He shook his head and said both had to go. I brought up the RSD pain syndrom (from a broken wrist). He knows all about rsd, so he said, ok, I'll do one now, and the other when it heals. I said, what if I want to keep the one that's clean of cancer cells. He then said he wouldn't give me my implants until I did a mastectomy on the left. I wasn't about to argue at that point knowing I was about to go to surgery. There is a time to speak up and a time to shutup :)

    Due to the rsd syndrome I was on IV antibiotics and IV for pain meds for about 48 hours...so I stayed in the hospital a little over 2 days (2 nights, 2 days and a half).  I also took meds in pill forms for pain, vitamins and for whatever. I was popping pills right and left. The food was delicious...got to order my own meal plan...no gluten. The private rooms with their own shower and etc...very nice set up. My daughter said it felt more like being a hotel.The nurses were sweet and so helpful. The nurse gave me a shower yesterday. They put something over (mesh?). The biggest problem I had was feeling dizzy when sitting up or walking. It was probably due to all the pain meds. The other was or is my skin  turned yellow, and today it's orange. I look like I have a recent sun tan. Can't complain about that except I wonder if the orange/yellow skin is due to toxicity of the liver.

    Tomorrow morning I have my first post-op with the plastic surgeon. Next week I will have my second post op and also with the beast surgeon. So far the four nodes that was removed showed no cancer. Good news...I won't know more until the pathology reports comes back sometime next week. I'll probably know when I meet with the breast surgeon next week.

    I havern't read some of the recent surgeries, and how those girls are doing. I hope it went well for them.

  • Janie-bug
    Janie-bug Member Posts: 181
    edited December 2011

    Glad to hear that 2 is a good number on the oncotype test. Thanks everyone

    Kam170 - I go every week for the "fill ups" and they put in 60cc each visit my goal is 520cc. My PS put in 180cc at the time of surgery. The NP told me that I could go as fast as I wanted to or as slow as I wanted. She told me about a pt that wanted/got 120cc each time, because she wanted to get it over with but I think that might be a little much for me d/t the unpleasent tightness of the 60cc fill up. She also told me that after I reach my goal I will then have to wait 4-5 wks before I can do the exchange surgery. I am looking forward to that. These TEs are uncomfrotable to say the least. Painful most of the time.

    Evebarry- "CONGRATS!!!!!! on the 4 negative nodes,  that is awesome!!!!, Glad you are home and hope you are doing well

  • SuperFoob
    SuperFoob Member Posts: 505
    edited December 2011
    cookie monster: I had a Left Uni NSM w/Implant and FlexHD (like Alloderm) a few days after you. I always go to sleep on my right side then sometimes during the night switch to my back...then right again...back and forth. When I am on my side, I keep a rolled up towel against my back and a super soft pillow in front of me to rest my arm on. Sounds like a pain to do but it is actually pretty comfortable.
  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited December 2011

    I used the pillow as well....it really kept my arm from pressing against the incision area which was on the side (3 o'clock) of my breast.  I did that for about a week, but mine was just a lumpectomy and SNB.  

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