Emotionally Handicapped DH

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This is the one place I KNOW I can turn to let it out.....my fiancee is absolutely emotionally handicapped.  He has done "what he is capable of doing"....he has been great with day to day stuff and the sense of normalcy.  He has done laundry, cleaned the house (he's totally OCD), cooked dinner, etc. etc. etc.  So, I have gotten through chemo quite well.  But, now it's done.  And surgery is in January.  And the argument we keep having is that he isn't always up and ready to go to appointments with me, he doesn't even seem like he wants to go to the PS with me for the pre op, he just isn't emotionally able to handle me.  He ends the conversation and goes in the other room.  Typically, I'm the one going to him to "bridge the gap" and resolve the issue.

 He just isn't my emotional rock.  I don't think of him when I'm sad or when I need to just be cheered up.  I'm sad right now, well, because of everything, but mostly I'm wondering if he isn't my emotional partner, is he really the one?

Sigh.....

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  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited December 2011

    There's a lot to be said for the guy who will take care of all of the practical crap for you.  I suggest you make it really really plain what you want.  In the case of my dh...I had to say that if I was crying, I didn't want him to get me a tissue.  I wanted him to just hold me while I cried.  He didn't need to say or do anything at all.  Just hold me.  He needed those directions.  He followed them pretty well.

    Don't judge the man entirely on his ability to cope with this very very very difficult time.  None of us have done it perfectly. 

    Of course, there is also a lot to be said for marriages built on more than the practical crap.  So, it only works if you can communicate what you need and help him figure out how to provide it. 

    In my case, I don't get everything emotionally from my dh.  I get a fair amount from my best friend.  That is okay.  Between the two of them, they really take great care of me...:)  That is good enough most of the time.

    I wish you luck in sorting it all out.  Relationships are never easy...even without breast cancer.  And good luck with your surgery...

  • momof3boys
    momof3boys Member Posts: 896
    edited December 2011

    Don't give up on him yet. Being a care giver is physically, mentally and emotionally draining. I know. I've been there. My husband was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer 3 years ago (I know, our luck sucks). It was a shock to both if us. But, having "looked at life from both sides now", literally, I can tell you honestly that there are times when it is harder to be the caregiver "rock" than the patient.

    My husband never knew that I cried horribly every night when I left the hospital until I pulled into our garage and had to smile for our three boys (then 13, 6 and 4).

    It was such a sense of responsibility I felt, taking care of the house, working full time, going with him on appts., and secretly doing a lot of research on my own for his cancer. It's a wonder I didn't have a breakdown.

    It's not easy on either of you...I know.

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited December 2011

    What a hard situation. Does your guy have anyone to talk to? It's possible that he is feeling overwhelmed but doesn't know how to deal with things or know where to turn.My guess is that most men won't go to caregivers' support group or counseling for these issues. It's possible that he's doing tasks as a way to show support and because they are things he can do. i.e. they are under his control.

    FWIW, I don't think it's realistic to expect a DH to be all things all the time. There were times during my Tx when I wanted more nurturing and found that my girlfriends could help more with that. I wouldn't make any decisions right now. You're both in a tough situation and a year from now you'll have a different perspective. But I would encourage you to get the support you need (ask friends to help) and encourage him to get some support by talking to friends or whoever might help. (or he might need to take some time-off to goof off. Sometimes caregivers just need a break and then come back recharged) Good luck to both of you.

  • mrsnjband
    mrsnjband Member Posts: 1,409
    edited December 2011

    lele, You have definitely come to the right place to vent & for support.  It is wonderful that you DF -dear fiancee -  is there to help you cook & clean but he is probably having a hard time accepting the physical aspect of what you will be going through.  He is probaby scared and doesn't know how to handle the emotions.  Some men don't cope well with those issues. Maybe if you could get some counseling or find a support group that would help.

    BTW, I'm triple negative too.  It's been almost four years since my diagnosis. So hang in there, you can do it! NJ 

  • ICanDoThis
    ICanDoThis Member Posts: 1,473
    edited December 2011

    sometimes, they just can't do it. But guys are built different emotionally. My husband had feelings when I was diagnosed - I know because he would sneak out of bed in the middle of the night, and read about BC. We didn't talk so much that when I discovered what he was doing, I just let him have his space.

    But when he was diagnosed with esophageal cancer 18 months after me (my Race for the Cure team contains 3 couples - we have lost one guy to pancreatic), it was wonderful to finally be able to talk. We even talk about scanxiety now - it took a LOT to blast communication into this relationship. 

  • Lulubelle
    Lulubelle Member Posts: 54
    edited December 2011

    lele,
    This can be a very lonely experience, even if we have partners and family and friends.  It is easy for me to say how they have failed me in various ways, but I guess we have to see their side?  Although I have been disappointed at times with my DH's actions.  Perhaps acting out from the stress?  I don't know, but it sucks nonetheless. I am here for you, PM me whenever you like.

  • pickle
    pickle Member Posts: 1,409
    edited December 2011

    I am sorry that yiu are questioning whether he is the "one" ..on top of all the other stuff you have to deal with.

    A lot of men are not emotionally engaged and they sometimes need to be hit over the head. Most of us women want our men to know what we want/need. We expect them to get our hints...our cues...but in reality they aren't calable of reading our minds. I have been martied 28 years and the only thing that has fianlly worked for me is to be blunt and tell him what I need. Sometimes I need a hug, I may need to vent, sometimes I need advice and sometimes I just need him to be quiet and not say anything. I have learned to forewarn him about what I need. In other words I'll say something like...My day has sucked...I don't need your advice and I don't need you to solve it...I just need to vent. He listens...I vent...and then we both feel better. When I say upfront that I need a hug...need his support...need him to take charge...he will. Just ask...and say what you need or want. The funny thing is...men are very simple creatures and they genuinely want to be there for us...they just need some guidance. Men are Venus...Women are from Mars...lol

  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited December 2011

    You got some excellent advice from everyone. It's almost as hard on family members as it is for us, when my DD was DX with BC before i was i went to take care of her, i tryed to be there for her not only as her mom, but also did all the cooking, cleaning running the girls around i went to all her appointments with her, was there for support and hugs anything she needed, but it did take a tolll on me, i would find myself locked in my room all day and cry because i was so mentally exhausted, and was so scared i was going to lose her, but i didnt let her know these things at the time.I knew she was having a tough time but had no idea until i went through the same thing.

    Give it some time and see how you feel when you are not on this roller coaster anymore. I wish you the best of luck.

    Big Hugs, 

    Debbie

  • lele3737
    lele3737 Member Posts: 45
    edited December 2011

    Sigh....thanks ladies.  The update is that today isn't much better.  He has off from work till the end of the year and I have the luxury of working from home a lot.  Last night, there was no conversation.  He watched a movie with the boys (he has two from a previous marriage) and I went to bed...after I cried all night at the computer (he didn't notice or know I was crying...)

     This morning, no words were spoken, so, per the usual, I started the conversation.  I told him that I need him to be more emotionally attached to me.   I need for him to feel something when I'm sad or upset EVEN IF HE IS THE REASON.

     He insists (which I somewhat agree) that he has never been an emotional creature (my words) and is doing his best - which is what he has said every time we have this argument.  I gave him instructions - the basics of what I need is a hug when I'm crying and you to say we'll get through this, how do we fix this, what do WE need to work on?  So, he got up and gave me a hug.  So I full on ugly cried.

     Then he stood over me, arms folded in front of his chest and said he isn't going to change.  I told him that I need him to become more emotional, not a total overhaul, just MORE.  He is defensive and hurt because he doesn't even know where to begin to do something like that and, well, it's all about me, isn't it?  SIGH.  So, he said he would try and that I'm the one questioning the long term, not him. 

    So, a few minutes later, I went into the kitchen (by the office) and broke down, ugly cry again.  He said (from the computer chair), What are you crying about NOW? (choice words from me, including wow, that entire conversation about being sympathetic and understanding really hit home, didn't it?  Glad I tried to explain what I need to you.)

    Yup.  The entire conversation was for nothing. 

    That's the update.  I think I may leave the house so I can actually get some work done and not be crying all day....maybe.

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited December 2011

    I'm so sorry, lele.  I'm not good at relationships in general.  I don't want to try to 'solve' your problem, but when I have relationship problems, I end up talking to my therapist.  Maybe that's not appropriate in your situation, but I just wanted to throw it out.

    Please know that we get it how difficult this is for you, and want you to get the support you deserve and need.

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited December 2011

    lele3737 - my DH was great at taking care of the every day aspects but he was unable to meet MY NEEDS...I felt very emotionally alone through out my treatments.  I needed him to want to know all about this wretched disease and the treatment option so that he could be my advocate should something go wrong (thank God nothing ever did).  I went to most of my appointments alone and often I was the one to bring up how the appointment went...

    I had a dear friend come over one day and I was ranting and raving about my DH (right in the middle of my chemical menopause stage) and she looked at me and said 'Dang your husband is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't'.   I realized then that my DH was doing the best he could with this crappy situation.  My emotions were all over the place and my needs changed from one minute to the next.   Sometimes I needed to be held and other times I just wanted to be left alone, other times I didn't know what I wanted...

    Cancer sucks! Relationships can be hard even under the best circumstances...this board is here for you (I know this board was my lifeline)...You have already gotten a lot of good advise...I can only add my experience and let you know that 2 1/2 years later my DH I & are communicating better and our relationship has grown.  He still cannot explain how & why he was not able to meet some of my needs or be my advocate and I try not to let it get to me, although during scan anxiety those feelings sometime rear up again.   I do know this, my DH loves me, the best way he knows how.

  • lele3737
    lele3737 Member Posts: 45
    edited December 2011

    o2b....YOU GET IT!  (ladies, you do too, but o2b lived it!)  Things got better today...I backed off and he hugged more....during one of our hugs, I told him that sometimes that was all I needed.  Let's keep our fingers crossed that it sticks.  Sometimes we just need a hug and...well, someone to tell us we're pretty! ;)  I'm hopeful and optimistic we will be more connected and he will grow some emotionally....

    On the bright side, today I had an ultrasound and the largest lump went from 40 millimeters to 6!!!!!  YAY for neo-adjuvant chemo!  Now on to surgery in January! 

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited December 2011
    lele so glad I could help and happy to hear things were better today Laughing
  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited December 2011

    Lele- Love the name! Glad things went better today!

  • thatsvanity
    thatsvanity Member Posts: 391
    edited December 2011

    Maybe you can get some emotional support from a friend, sister, mom or a woman, or a guy friend who iis more into deep emotional support. Men and women communicate differently.

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