Taxotere is a nightmare
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I was only wondering because I never got around to asking about SEs from the neulasta. I thought maybe there was some good reason to avoid it. In my case it certainy helped keep my blood counts steady through chemo and surgery and I am grateful for that.
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Shelly the nail thing just sucks. My nails were worse once treatment stopped. It does get better but takes time. 1.18.2011 was my last chemo. Only 2-3 nails are a little tender but still lifted. I still have ridges. I figure it's going take me a full 1.5 years PFC for them to be close to normal maybe even 2. One toenail bed is ruined but who give a damn about toes. I didn't lose any fingernails (not sure how that happened) but did lose some toenails and one toenail had to be removed.
You are not crazy. This nail thing really sucks and is painful but it does eventually go away. I too was slow to get rid of all the fluid retention. My onc but me on a very low dose diuretic. I finally stopped taking it in September. I still retain a bit but not too bad. I have to watch the salt. Again I think some of us are slow to get this crap out of our system. My eyebrows and lashes are thinner than they were on chemo. Onc says that's chemo too. Granted my hair is thicker than ever. I will say I do feel pretty good in spite of all that. Give it time.
belleast. What's happening on taxotere? BTW have you check out the Illinois ladies thread?
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lago, what is with the water retention and how long does it last?
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lago, explosive diarehea, severe joint/bone pain in knees,hips,spine,long bones lot worse than taxol,pain meds not helping. hot flashes, headaches and scalp pain,fatigue. really like your posts lots of good info and help!
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Belle, with the first Tax I had the most astonishing bone pain, for days. The next time, I took the steroids an extra day, but at half dose, and for some reason it did the trick.
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momine, my first taxol i had the same for 12 days. 2nd lasted 5 days, hoping it is just the shock of first treatment to my body. i thought the taxol bone pain was bad but this is a lot worse. only 1 more to go, i can do this!!!
lago, have lurked on illinois threatd but haven't posted.
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Momine it is different for everyone. Mine lasted longer than usual according to my onc but most of it went away within 3 months although I was on the dueretic. The last 3-4lbs of fluid took some time but it was not just my legs/ankles/feet but my belly too. I still wake up with my feel a little swollen. I know this because my shoes are tight in the morning.
Belleast that's horrible. I wish I had some recommendations for you but you got all the SE's that I didn't get. Even my hot flashes were pretty minor. (Granted I did get other SE). I really hope they can find some other drugs that work to stop the pain. Sounds to me that they might now want to give you nuelasta because it does cause bone pain. My first shot my back was so bad I couldn't stand up straight for 24 hours. The next 5 shots not as bad. Aleve took care of the pain.
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Ugh Belle, that sounds nasty.
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Thanks lago, I have nothing that extreme, but there is something funky going on with fluid. Thanks for the info.
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Hi Belleast, so sorry you feel so crappy. I suffered really bad nausea and bone pain from the Nuelasta. the pain was Mind numbing and crippling to say the least. I also had scalp pain, crazy hot flashes? I am 6 mos PFC still on Herceptin and still experience joint pain although exercise is helping. The pain during chemo finally was semi subsided by TX 3 by taking Tramadol. I had to take it 3-4 times per day for the first 5 days after, it was the only thing that offered any type of relief. Everyone reacts different. Are you taking l glutamine and l Carnitine, it helps ward off neuropathy and Biotin helps with hair and scalp dryness. I hear black cohash works wonders on hot flashes but being her2 and ER/PR positive I could not risk it. But please Check with your doc first before taking anything, but it all helps down the road. Good luck and remember its the drugs making you miserable not the disease.
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Momine, 8 wks pfc and my ankles still swell slightly. I put my feet up on pillows to watch tv in the evening and they usually subside before I go to bed. Watch the belly fluid tho. My MO checked that each visit while I was getting chemo, but the fluid retention didn't hit until a month after my last tx, which MO said can happen.
Belleeast, I am so sorry you are experiencing such pain. I was lucky on that se, no bone pain whatsoever, and my MO did not order Neulasta for me...my wbc would plummet but then rebound pretty quickly so never had to go there. I hope your holiday is as good as possible....
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BTW another thing I notice with my current fluid retention. When I go out and do my power walks my fluid retention goes away. Can't say what happened on chemo because after tx 4 I wasn't walking as much and by tx5 I wasn't walking at all. I will say that's when most of the extra weight came on.
Exercise gets the fluids moving. Also drinking lots fluids helps too.
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Merry Christmas to all the ladies battling the taxotere nightmare... I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday.....2012 is going to be a better year.
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thank you,all, for the advice! Merry Christmas to you and yours!!!! now, where is my zantac? LOL
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hi all, hope everyone had a great xmas!
i'm having issues with my mouth, yucky taste, yellowish coating on tongue,inside of lips sore. i use biotene toothpaste and mouthwash. any suggestions,please.
also, this morning woke up with the skin across the knuckles of both hands bright red and painful.
on good note, joint pain has lessen,tho still having stomach problems- big D and zantec isn't helping with heartburn- going to insist mo give me heartburn meds in premeds for it on my last chemo.
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belleeast - There is something called miracle mouthwash if your mouth gets really sore. It's by prescription. I almost got to the point of using it but didn't have too. I did use the biotene spray pretty often for my throat and mouth. I don't know about the knuckles being red. I had heartburn and the onc PA told me that some women can't tell the difference between heartburn and nausea and she told me to take my anti-nausea meds more and see if that helped, it did. Otherwise she wanted me to take some anti-heartburn medicine. Hey, did I read right, just one more chemo for you?
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belleast I do hear Prilosec works better than zantec. For me Prilosuc didn't even work (yes I know I spelled it suc). I was on either protonix or nexium throughout chemo (depending on what the insurance covered. switched insurance before my last tx). I also added 1 more drug that I used in the past to deal with this issue. You must tell your onc you are having issues. It will only get worse. They have meds to deal with this.
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belleeast, talk with your onc about your symptoms...sounds like the same ones I got when I had a fungal infection...yeast over growth caused by the taxotere ridding my digestive tract of good bacteria. I had to have 2 rounds of anti-fungals, eat yogurt every day, take a probiotic everyday (which I still do) and eat an "anti-candida diet" to get it under control. I had severe abdominal burning, it wasn't indigestion, like they tried to say at first. Prilosec didn't phase it. I had the magic mouthwash Omaz mentioned. (Fair warning...It is the nastiest tasting thing you will put in your mouth.) I did not have the redness on the skin, but there are other ladies on here that did have the red skin with the yeast overgrowth. Good luck to you, I hope you get better soon!
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Thanks for the warning about losing the 'good' bacteria. I'm finishing up a round of Cipro and until yesterday had completely forgotten to take my acidophulus. I'm hoping I don't have any problems. Heartburn is an issue, but I already have reflux. Got stepped-up to prescription-strength Prilosec.
Otherwise I'm heading into week 3 after my first tx (AC-Taxotere) with few SEs as of yet. But I've appreciated having this thread to see what to keep up on. Thanks for the advice and suggestions.
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Belleeast, I had similar problems while doing my chemo. MO gave me a script for Diflucan (sp?) which is an antifungal pill that seemed to help. Yogurt, yogurt, yogurt!
As a side note, when my 'stuff' would start clearing from my tongue, my tongue would be extra sensitive, as if it was raw, so be prepared. Ice water made it feel better.
I got a rx for the magic mouthwash for the sores, but it was so nasty as Omaz stated that I only used it once. Decided it was easier to suffer than to swallow that crap! But if you need it, you need it. It has lanocaine to help with the pain, but no real redeeming fungal qualities.
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omaz, yes you read right 1 more chemo on jan 10th, then on to 6 1/2 wks of radiation.
thanks, everyone for the advice. called mo, nurse wants mo to see me since i'm having so many issues. i think hearing that redness on right hand had spread to entire back of hand was deciding factor. was hoping to avoid dr appt this wk, appt is tomorrow.
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Hope they have a good suggestion for you tomorrow belleeast.
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belleast, I am glad you are going in to have that checked! Don't let things go. I called the nurse about twice a week average when I was having lots of symptoms and problems, and she was so helpful! She never made me feel like I was a bother or annoying or stupid.... just gave me words of encouragement, called back to check on me, determined when I needed to be seen and when I could stay home. But at least she and the MO had good communication all the time, and I felt like they always knew how significant any of my problems were. Good luck on Jan 10 - I will be thinking of you.
Saw my MO last week, gave her my list of complaints. I still have so much fatigue I swear it feels like I am 2 weeks post chemo. She said it is not common, but some women have prolonged fatigue from chemo that can last for YEARS!!!! Aaaarrrrrggggghhhhh!!!!!!!! I swear this is nearly the last straw for me! It takes 2 days of bedrest to recover from major day-long activities (such as family get-togethers, work retreats, admissions interviews, etc.). She offered me prescription for stimulants.... just what I want, more drugs to treat the SEs of drugs, which can lead to other SEs that will probably require more drugs, so for now I have declined. I have been unable to get back to my dance class that would make me feel good and give me enjoyment. Am hoping to at least get to tai chi in the next few weeks if I can manage with classes starting again. OK, enough whining.
I am grateful that I could spend a day with my family, am grateful for the dozen goldfinches at my feeder earlier today, am pleased that I finished the second of 3 syllabi for classes that start next week. Am grateful for the ladies here with all the support and love that comes across the electronic waves. Thanks!
Love and hugs to all, and hope you find a few minutes of peace today and each day.
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Hi all - been reading the last dozen or so posts. I had 4 rounds A/C and then just had round 1 of 4 of Taxotere Dec. 12. I also get the Neulasta shot - but haven't had any problems with it on the previous four rounds of chemo. But after round one of Taxoter the bone pain was mind boggling so I was reading up on advice. Trying to prepare myself for my Jan. 4 round. I wasn't prepared for the pain and didn't have Aleve on hand, didn't try the Claritin, so will be stocked up this time. Looks like short of getting something more potent from my oncologist that I will have to suck it up and hope for the best. The pain started day 3 and the worst lasted for four days and subsided to something manageable for another couple days and just a dull pain that annoys me a bit here there since. Once I got past the pain I have found Taxotere with less other side affects than I experienced with Adriamycin and Cytoxen, but then again, I have only done round 1 and if like A/C each round brings on a bit more misery.
Taking any and all advice. Good luck to all, and so sorry we are all in this ship together, but at least we have each others support.
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hi all, saw mo i have mucositis-mouth,digestive sys.,skin cellulitis/infection on hands spreading up arms, and am neutropenic!
he put me on antibiotic for infection, diflucan for mucositis. said keep track of temp-if i get one or if infection spreads go to ER. i sure wish he had given me the neulesta shot after my last chemo. oh,well.
glad i listened to all of you and called him, thank you all so much!!
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Greetings from Canada!
I was told to look for this thread, it is famous! Just had my second Tax treatment Dec. 19, last one to come Jan. 10. Severe SE all the way around. Through 2 bouts of breast cancer this is the first time I have felt badly enough to post on a board. Taxotere is a nightmare and it's sometimes difficult to keep in mind that it is for the greater good.
Thank you for sharing.. knowing I am not alone and going insane is helpful in it's own way
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belleeast I am glad you called the Dr. make sure you keep taking your temp...I I felt so awful one day and I knew I had to go to the Dr. they did my blood work and I was admitted into the ER asap..the crazy thing is my temp was under 95 degrees... so it can go either way and you will know when you need to go you will feel like death (not like the normal taxotere death) . I hope your new medications start working quickly. Did he do a CBC on you while you were there? That would have told him a lot, anyways.... I hope you start feeling better.
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belleast - Glad you saw your doc. Keep drinking fluids!! Can you eat well right now? Food will help build you back up. Is the doctor planning to do the neulasta next time?
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tracie, yes they did labs WBC was 1.6, neutrophils 0.2.
omaz, i sure hope he gives me the neulesta next time. mouth hurts pretty bad, i'm able to eat after i take a pain pill. i'm drinking lots of fluids,italian ice feels and tastes pretty good,
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Belleast, as I suspected, you have the dreaded mucusitis. I had it too. Hang in, the meds will work pretty quickly. Figured you were on your way to Diflucan. It does work, but is just another med to add to the inventory of things to dispose of properly once this all clears. My thoughts are with you. I also strongly recommend yogurt as it helps replace the good bacteria that is so needed.
HUGS to all!
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