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duffy11
duffy11 Member Posts: 25

I will try to keep this journey short!  Three years ago I was diagnosed with LCIS, have super dense breasts, have had wire guided biopsies on both breasts, just had a core on my left, which showed more LCIS and ADH.  Fast forward to MRI this week, three, yup, three more sites now need an MRI guided biopsy on all areas. Two in left breast, one area in right.  Still need surgery to remove the ADH, plus the 3 more biopsies and then who knows.

 After the core biopsy, it was recommended I have a bi-lateral mx, i have seen the plastic surgeon, chose not to go with reconstruction, then saw my oncologist who suggested to just have the ADH removed and go from there.  That was before I got the MRI results back.

 Now, I have to make a decision by Monday what direction to go.  UGH.  The back and forth and back and forth is killing me.  I am now leaning toward mx and would love to hear from anyone who has any thoughts on this.  It will now total 5 biopsies, with some kind of surgery coming down the road of one kind or another.  I've been "high risk" because of very dense breasts, tons of calcification's and previous LCIS and ADH. 

 Okay, have at it!

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  • duffy11
    duffy11 Member Posts: 25
    edited December 2011

    Hi Robo,

    This is the second opinion.  I changed from my other surgeon in October, after the the mammo came back off.  She had wanted to do a biopsy, but her comment was, "Its not really a matter of if you get cancer, its a matter of when".  At that point I switched to the Breast Center so I had Dr's who only saw breasts and thats all!  They want to get going on things as the 3 biopsies are going to happen over a time span of three weeks and that puts everything way back.  They only do the MRI guided biopsies once a week.

  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited December 2011

    Duffy- First, Welcome, I'm sorry you are going through so much but yet dont have answers. I was wondering if they offered to put you on tamoxifen? Have you had the BRCA gene test on you yet? This is a very personal decision that is not right for everyone, I think if it were me, with so much going on in the breast i might consider a mx. About 20 years ago i had numerous calcifacations and DCIS in my breast. 20 yrs later i was DX with BC- Who's to say for sure had i done somthing then would it of changed anything? I wish you the best on whatever you choose. We are all here for you for any support or advice you may need.

    Warm hugs,

    Debbie

  • duffy11
    duffy11 Member Posts: 25
    edited December 2011

    Hi Debbie,

    Thank you so much for your post.  I tried the Tamoxifen and the side effects for me were awful, so they took me off it a few years ago.  Haven't had the BRCA test yet.  When I got the original path report back on the core biopsy, when the nurse called and said, "No cancer, but come in for a follow up" I just thought it was to discuss when my next mammo would be.  Then the surgeon was talking about an MX, take both breasts etc and I was like, "Do you have the right report?"!  It's been all downhill since then.  The MRI results tipped me over the edge and now I just want the whole mess over with rather than look at multiple procedures over and over...

     Lots to wrap ones head around.  My surgical appt is the day after Christmas...

  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited December 2011

    Duffy- I was not able to take the tamoxifen or any of the other hormone drugs. You have quite a decision to make with your situation, hopefully someone will come along that has gone through the exact same thing as you and what they decided. I will check and around and see what i can find for you. (((hugs))) Debbie

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2011

    I had actual major cancer, but here goes. I chose a BMX, although at DX time I "only" had LCIS in one breast. There were cysts and other suspicious things in the other breast that they wanted to biopsy/remove and then monitor that breast carefully every 3 months, no doubt meaning more biopsies/removals etc down the road, not to mention the hassle, pain and worry. 

    One doctor tried to talk me out of the BMX, while the doc I went with in the end supported my choice. He said the cancer was quite likely to recur in the other breast and that a prophylactic MX made sense. In the end, stage 0 was found inthe "good" breast, so I am very glad I got rid of it and saved myself a surgery down the road and possibly saved myself yet another round of chemo as well.

    I have chosen not to reconstruct, am 48 and 3 months out from the surgery, just finished chemo, rads coming up after New Year. So far, I only feel relief in being rid of what felt like a pack of dynamite strapped to my chest. I thought I would mourn the boobs more, but I just haven't. I feel no less feminine or attractive, which has surprised me since I am quite vain and particular about weird stuff. It helps that my husband is completely supportive and it is obviously also just a very personal thing, so it really depends how you feel about it. 

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited December 2011

    Duffy - I am in a similar situation. I had my second excisional biopsy in two years on Nov 1. The pathology revealed ADH and ALH. The docs were most concerned about the ALH since it is a marker for BC in both breasts. They immediately sent me to the genetic counselor who did a risk assessment (50% risk) and ordered the BRCA test. I tested negative for the BRCA mutation. Because my mom died at 29 of BC, her sister at 47 (I have no living sisters), dense and busy breasts, I am planning a prophylatic double mastectomy next year. Some think I am crazy, but I don't care, I can live with it. What I can't imagine is having all the markers, not doing anything beyond high risk screening, and then BC rears its ugly head. I feel like God send me a lifeboat, and I'm climbing in. I look down the road and I see more mammos, mri, ultrasounds, excisional biopsies, each time the whole family holds its breath until we get cleared for the next six months.

  • vmudrow
    vmudrow Member Posts: 846
    edited December 2011

    Duffy - when I was diagnoised with ALH, after numberous biopsies over the years I chose PBMX because I didn't want to take Tamoxifen and I didn't want the worry and constant testing.  I tested negative for BRCA, but my risk was considered 40% for getting bc at some point.  I have been very happy with the results - I had nipple/sparing with implants.  Good luck and hugs.

  • duffy11
    duffy11 Member Posts: 25
    edited December 2011

    Thanks for all the replies.  Its been a crazy week.  After consulting with the surgeon, I am signed up for a PBMX on Jan 4th, taking the sentinel node on both sides.  The areas of "suspicion" were such that if I didn't biopsy all three, the surgeon wasn't comfortable leaving them. These were in addition to the original area.  Everytime I saw the hospital number on my cell phone I cringed, as it was never good news, it just kept getting worse. 

    The stress headaches right now are killers.  I'm going one day at a time, I AM going to have a Merry Christmas and try not to think about the pre surgical appt on the 27th.  I'm not having reconstruction, my choice and I am very okay with it.  We haven't really told people about whats going on...work knows, a few others but not the whole network. 

     So, anyone have any good dinner recipe's that freeze well?!  Will also be stocking up on paper plates etc!  Daughter and husband not so very domestic!

  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited December 2011

    Duffy- I chose not to have recon too, im very ok with it, if down the road you decide that you want to have it you can and will have more time to decide which one you want to go with. Im sorry you are having such bad headaches over this, If you can , just try to take your mind off of everything for now and please try to enjoy your holidays.

    You may want to check out the lymphedema thread on here when you get a chance, you can develop it after having lymph nodes removed. i did not have a problem with it but you can and these threads will help you tremendously.

    Have a merry christmas!

    Hugs

    Debbie

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2011

    Yes, it is a crazy time. For what it is worth I did not have recon either and that part of the ordeal has been competely fine, no regrets and no deep mourning over the boobs.

    Preparing domestically is a VERY good idea. I felt ok after the surgery, but I was TIRED and you really, seriously can't use your arms the first weeks. What I have been doing for food is to make a huge pot of good meatsauce and then freezing it in freezer bags in indivdual servings. You can eat it on pasta or quinoa or whatever. A similar thing to make is some kind of chili, easy to heat up and a complete meal. I also made a thick minestrone-type soup with a little beef added for protein, and lentil soup. Further, I keep a supply of frozen salmon filet frozen in individual servings and frozen spinach and broccoli. It is very easy to steam a piece of fish and some veggies.

    Enjoy your Christmas and best of luck with the rest. 

  • BritValarie
    BritValarie Member Posts: 152
    edited December 2011

    Hi Duffy11,

    My history sounds very similar to yours.  Extensive family history (although, I tested negative for BRCA).  Everytime I had a mamogram or MRI it lead to a biospsy, which lead to an exisional.  I finallly decided with the blessing of my breast specialist on a PBM. I had been diagnosed with LCIS, ADH and ALH all in the left breast.

    I had the surgery December 7th.  My surgeon told me I have dodged a very nasty bullet.  The pathology came back that I had LCIS, ALH and ADH still in the left breas, but that I also had extensive ALH and ADH in the right breast, which had never been picked up on any imaging.

    Its a very personal desicion, but I do not regret it for one minute.  The stress of mamograms, MRI's biopsies and waiting for results is over.  I couldn't be happier.

    Please let me know if you have any questions.... Merry Christmas and Good Luck!

    Valarie

  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited December 2011

    You can also go to the "Whats for dinner" thread on here that has great recipes and we wil all help with great recipes that freeze well

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2011

    Duffy------it's amazing how different doctors feel about the same condition. I was diagnosed with LCIS 8 years ago and my risk is further elevated by my family history of bc (mom had ILC). Even with that combined elevated risk, all my docs (bs, onc, pcp, gyn, and rad) felt PBMs were too drastic  for my situation. So I took tamoxifen for 5 years, and I still continue with high risk surveillance of alternating mammos and MRIs every 6 months, and I have been taking evista now for almost 3 years. I haven't needed any further biopsies, so I guess the meds are doing their job. I think it all boils down to a very personal decision. Only you can decide when enough is enough. I may be facing bilat masts sometime in my future, but I'm not ready to go the route of PBMs at this point. Good luck with your surgery and recovery.

    anne 

  • Soccermom4force
    Soccermom4force Member Posts: 631
    edited December 2011



    I was diagnosed at stage 2B after years of multiple biopsies don't know WHAT I was waiting for.. Oh yeah, CANCER ugh!

    I did bilat masts and after 3 years decided to reconstruct and it's all good!



    Do whatever will give you peace of mind in the long term,

    You'll be in my thoughts ,

    Marcia

  • beacon800
    beacon800 Member Posts: 922
    edited December 2011

    Duffy, I've been in your shoes and did the BMX. No recon, totally happy. I am going to make a suggestion to you to run by your doctors. It's about the sentinel node surgery. If I were you (and I've been you) I would try and avoid this. What I did was do excisional biopsy on the areas of my MRI that lighted up. This way, if they were cancer we would know to do the sentinel nodes and of they were nothing, we would do the BMX without sentinel nodes out. In other words, two sets of surgery. First the excisional followed by the MX.



    Yes, there is some risk that there is still hidden cancer, but then again, you are talking about both arms, the rest of your life - lymphedema risk. In my case, we found no cancer on excision and no cancer on the MX so skipping the sentinel node removal worked in my case and my lumphedem risk is much lower this way. Ask your doc what they think.



    Btw, my surgeon did the biopsies by cutting around the areola and taking out the tissue from there so I would not have two sets of scars. Before this surgeon, I met with a different surgeon who "always" took the sentinel nodes and cut straight incisions for biopsy surgery. I did not go with her and instead found my BS who is brilliant. Made a lot of difference.

  • duffy11
    duffy11 Member Posts: 25
    edited December 2011

    Hi Beacon,

    Those are good things to consider.  I would be looking at 3 more MRI guided biopsies if I did that, in addition to the one I just had and the two previous ones.  Ugh.  On the MRI neither node was involved, but they are concerned.  I am having a sentinel node biposy right before my surgery, like 2 hours.  (does that sound right?)  And yes, they told me it will hurt.  Oh lucky me!!  I am currently burning dinner, but will continue this later!!

  • debbie6122
    debbie6122 Member Posts: 5,161
    edited December 2011

    Duffy, I had my sentinel node biopsy right before my mx as well, I let my dr know how scared i was right before surgery and she said she would make sure i had enough meds to keep me comfortable, that was the last thing i remember, i dont remember my sentinal node biopsy at all, so make sure you ask for enough stuff to sedate you so you wont feel anything, let your Dr know your concerns and you should be fine.

  • ductal
    ductal Member Posts: 65
    edited January 2012

    duffy11...I don'y see why this would hurt.  they must keep you comfortable during surgery...you are the consumer, they are service providers.   You make your own decision on sentinel nodes, where we live it is common for them to check while you are out before mastectomy.  I am glad I had them out, they revealed 30/31 positive nodes.  This is very unlikely for you, but the removal does serve a purpose.  Can you talk with other oncology people at hospital, etc. before you decide.  You need to make your own decision.  Best wishes to you.

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