Lumpectomy/SNB done!

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NancyHB
NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512

Good morning!  I had my lumpectomy and SNB yesterday, and am taking today (and definitely tomorrow) off for recovery.  As requested by my surgeon, the radiologist did not use lidocaine for the tracer injection.  I am still angry at him for putting me through that.  He insists that lidocaine inhibits the uptake of the tracer by the lymph nodes, but everything I've read (including studies posted here) indicate otherwise. 

Other than that bit o' fun, it seems things went well.  He removed four nodes and said they all looked good but we'd have the path report later this week.  I'm feeling optimistic!  He also told my husband that I have super-small nodes; one was so small he said it wasn't even worth checking so he moved on to the next one.   The lumpectomy went well too, he said, and we now have clean margins.

So at the very least I have radiation ahead of me, but am still uncertain about chemo.  Once the results come back this week he'll refer me to an oncologist, and we'll do the Oncotype test (assuming the nodes are negative).  

Life is good - if not at least a little painful and tender this morning!

Nancy

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited December 2011

    Thanks for the update NancyHB.  We are glad the surgery went well.
     
    Best wishes
    Then mods 
  • jampus
    jampus Member Posts: 25
    edited December 2011

    Good job Nancy..

    I felt great the day following surgery, but took the week off anyway as I found I needed a nap during the day :) maybe effects still from anesthesia as they had to give me more when I started moving around when the doc began cutting into me. Thank goodness there are some thngs one does not remember !! Am back at work now though.

    I am sorry your doc didn't add the lidocaine. I am interested though as to how much it hurt? Sorry if you don't want to relive the experience.

    fingers crossed on your final results, mine were all good, except the size was larger than thought, but all else was good.

    Happy healing, :):)

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited December 2011

    jampus:  I'm so glad you felt better the next day.  I'm sorry the size of your lump was larger than expected.  I know I'm blessed to be in a position where, so far, results have been good and even better than we expected.  I will keep you in my thoughts.

    I feel awful today, but this evening is a little better.  I'm amazed at how much everything hurts - tho I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, since there are several incisions on my breast.

    The tracer injection was like having burning oil injected into my breast.  That's all I can think of to describe it.  The tech told me it would "burn" and it did, but like nothing I've ever felt before.  And it's a tender spot, too, right above the areola, so I'm sure that didn't help.  My surgeon said on several occasions it was a good thing we didn't use the lidocaine, since my lymph nodes are super-small and he feels they wouldn't have picked up the tracer otherwise.  I'm nothing but trouble, apparently.  Smile  Just glad it's over with, now on to waiting for the SNB test results!

  • DiDel
    DiDel Member Posts: 1,329
    edited December 2011

    OMG Nancy I cant believe he didnt let you use Lidocaine. I used it and felt nothing during the injections. You poor thing...but glad you are recovering nicely. I had no problems with the use and my doc said nothing of possible interactions.

    Rest up...and good luck with your final path reports and SNB!

    Diane

  • Kayce234
    Kayce234 Member Posts: 249
    edited December 2011

    Nancy - so happy to hear all went well and you are feeling so good.  I'm having my surgery tomorrow and I'm more worried about the wire placement than the actual surgery!  I will be making sure I get the Lidocaine - I have a high pain tolerance, but burning oil doesn't sound very nice.

     Will be praying for a good path report and that you will just be needing radiation.

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited December 2011

    Kayce:  Good luck tomorrow, I hope all goes well.  I've known a couple of people who've told me about the wire placement; while it sounded scary to me, they both said it was easy for them to get through.  I will think good thoughts and send lots of positive energy your way - hopefully this will be one more step on your road to healing!  *hugs*

  • bgail84
    bgail84 Member Posts: 94
    edited December 2011

    I  had no lidocaine either!! It hurts like hell!! That was worse than the aftermath of the surgery.

    I even said a few choice words to the doctor who did the injection. It didn't help that no one had told me that was going to happen until I got there that morning! Northing like having a needle in your nipple.

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited December 2011

    bgail84:  Oh, sister, how I can feel your pain!  I'm so sorry you had to endure that, as well.  I am glad it's over with for both of us and we got through our surgeries okay!! 

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited December 2011

    I received my path report today from Monday's SNB.  Good news - looks like all four nodes are clear!  I am feeling so much better, as though every step forward is a positive step in this journey.

    Stupid cancer.

    But anyway, I have a question (when do I not have a question?) pertaining to the path report.  The doctor says it's "all clear and good," and I believe him.  But the report says this about the first two nodes:  "the cut section...no gross lesion is identified here.  Multiple in one, no gross."

    The other two nodes, the report says, "no gross lesion is identified here.  One in one, no gross."

    My fear is micromets, but I'm still not educated enough to completely understand that.

    Even with clear nodes, chemo has still not yet been ruled out.  My surgeon is sending the report over to the hematology oncologist, who will then decide if I need to make an appointment.  I am 48, Stage 1 Grade 2, 1.3 cm lesion, ER+ and HER2-.  He mentioned the Oncotype test a couple of weeks ago but hasn't said anything since then, so I don't know if he will send it out, if the oncologist will send it out, or if he doesn't think it needs to be done?  I don't know...just confused.

    But happy-confused, because at least my nodes appear clear, and my margins are clean.  

    AND I reached back to grab my seatbelt today, forgetting Monday's impressive surgery, and felt a really sharp stabbing in my chest.  So now I'm sore again.  And have a final paper to write for class tomorrow.  So I throw my question to the goddesses here for their wisdom and insight.  Thank you!

  • Panmars
    Panmars Member Posts: 299
    edited December 2011

    Nancy, I can't answer your question about your path report, but I would definitely get the Oncotype test done. Usually it's your oncologist who sends that out. Ask to have it sent, if it hasn't been sent already. It will help you decide whether or not you need to have chemo. I got a score of 8, so no chemo for me. Wishing you the best!

    Sandi 

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited December 2011

    Thanks for the input, Sandi.  I appreciate your insight.  Congratulations on such a low score, and I'm so glad for you not having to have chemo.

    I really like my surgeon, but sometimes I think he just doesn't tell me everything.  He alludes to things, like, "Well, since you're so young, and your lesion was over 1 cm, and you're ER positive, we might be looking at chemo..."  I know the oncologist will make that determination.  I just hope that, almost three weeks later, there's something left of my tumor to send out for oncotyping!

  • jampus
    jampus Member Posts: 25
    edited December 2011

    I was told pretty much from the start that I would be getting chemo, just from the size of the tumour, even more so when it turned out to be so much larger than thought, so my oncologist isn't even doing the oncotype, she said that she would expect it to come back in the high numbers and as I am amenable to chemo (did I say that ?) there is not really any point in doing the test. I am sooooo dreading it, start just before or after Christmas.

    What have people's reactions been to the neulasta shot? I heard that was pretty bad

  • Elizabeth1889
    Elizabeth1889 Member Posts: 1,036
    edited December 2011

    jampus, Often, the anticipation of chemo is worse than the actual event. It is no fun, but it is doable and you have periods between chemo rounds when you feel good. Please let your MO know any side effects you are having.  There is a lot they can do to help if they know what is happening. I had some bone pain with the neulasta shots, but taking claritin and aleve the day of the injection and for a few days afterward helped.  Ask your MO if that is all right for you to do. There are excellent suggestions on the chemo forum to help you prepare for your first round.  We are all here for you wishing you well.

  • Likeachickadee
    Likeachickadee Member Posts: 116
    edited December 2011

    Nancy - sorry to hear of the painful SNB experience, but glad you nodes were clear.

    Our diagnoses seems the same so far all though I'm a few weeks behind you.  Just scheduled my lumpectomy and SNB for 12/30.  I already had a wire guided excisional biopsy and he is going to look at  the slides himself to see if the additional lumpectomy can be skipped and just do the SNB.

    I'm praying that he doesn't add wire-guided to the upcoming procedure as that was a really bad experience.

    Take care

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited December 2011

    Likeachickadee:

    I'm so sorry you're going through this, but there's also a comfort in finding someone else "like me" out there, if that doesn't sound too awful.  

    We're meeting with the surgeon one last time (I hope!) tomorrow morning, and will be getting references to the radiation and chemo oncologists.  The waiting is the hardest part, and so I'll be sending good and loving thoughts your way over the next couple of weeks as you prepare for your surgery.  Ask your doctor ahead of time to use lidocaine with the SNB, if possible.  PM me if you want to talk more; I'm always around!

    Take care and good luck,

    Nancy

  • CharB22
    CharB22 Member Posts: 310
    edited December 2011

    Nancy,

      Sounds like our experiences were identical. I wasn't given any lidocane either. I remember the doc saying something about research showing not effective...blah, blah, blah. I tuned most of it out because I was so nervous. And, man did that hurt! I bit the blanket - literally - and yelled.

      I get my pathology report on Thursday and my staples out too. I can't wait to get this show on the road!

    --Char.

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited December 2011

    Char,

    I had been so hesitant to talk about the lack of lidocaine with the SNB, but so many others here are experiencing the same thing, and I do not understand why.  Every report I've read says the lidocaine does not inhibit uptake, so I feel like doing it without doesn't make it any better.  Of course, I want to do everything I can to get rid of this stupid stuff in my boob, so if someone tells me there's an iota of a chance it'll make a difference (one way or another) I'm going with it.  I just wish they'd make up their minds. 

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited December 2011

    Glad the surgery went well, but OMG...no lidocaine!  My dr. injected it and I felt almost no pain at all with either the dye or the wire, and they had no trouble finding the SN.  My BS only removed my SN because he felt it was unneceaary to remove more with my stage and grade.  I'm waiting for final pathology report on node and margin clearance.

  • bojo
    bojo Member Posts: 74
    edited December 2011

    Hi Ladies,

    I have a quick question, i had a SNB last Monday 12/12.  I have a rash on my chest that is very itchy.  Also, my nipple is very sensitive.  Is this a normal SE?

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