Choosing Not to Reconstruct

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I will be having a BMX in early February after completing neoadjuvant chemotheraphy (only 2 treatments left!).  Save for one person in my survivor support network who is very happy with her decision, everyone has done reconstruction.  I've been reading the posts in this forum which have been very helpful, but I could use some additional support. 

I do not want to go through an 8 hour surgery with 3 days in-patient and possibly in an ICU, so I ruled out all of the flap procedures although I am "lucky" enough to have the fat necessary to have the one where they move the abdominal fat.  I just want to get back to living my life and all of the activities that I enjoy, which thankfully I have been able to do to a lesser extent even during chemo.

That leaves the option of TEs and implants.  Because I am having radiation after surgery, I will have the TEs in for awhile and then a higher risk of encapsulation and infection with the implants in addition to the number of procedures necessary with implants if all goes well.  I do not believe that implants are truly safe.

The pictures I've seen on the Internet of both procedures did not make me want to run right out and get them.  Further, I don't routinely show my breasts to people so I wonder why I'd want to go through so much pain and recovery to have them.  I did not get to see any pictures in my meeting with the plastic surgeon who I've been referred to.

Most of all, I want to be comfortable.  I am a stomach sleeper and don't look forward to have TEs in for as much as six months post BMX, nor do I look forward to having the implants in place.  In my logic, it would be better to have the prosthesis that I can remove when I want to than something that requires a surgery to get out of me.  

Are there other things I need to consider while I have the time to finalize my decision?  I would welcome your support and suggestions.   I already went to Nordstroms and looked at/held some prostheses and maybe there's other "research" I should do as well.

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  • kmpod
    kmpod Member Posts: 234
    edited December 2011

    Hi Mary 625,

     I'm out two months from my second mastectomy and I'm flat with no intention of ever being otherwise. I'm happy to be braless and to be able to sleep on my stomach.  :-) 

    It sounds to me like you've already done a lot of thinking about the question - and that your line of thinking is very much like mine was when I was making my decision.

    When I did my personal risk/benefit analysis the risk far outweighed the benefit, perhaps because I was 60 and had never had a large psychological investment in my breasts.  My husband was happy with whatever I decided as his priority was simply having me here.

    Since the surgery I have gone flat and the truth is that nobody notices, though they will take a glance if the subject of my cancer treatment comes up. The key is I'm not self conscious about it. If I'm comfortable, they're comfortable.

    Realize too, that you don't have to make a final decision immediately. You can go flat, see if you are happy with it, and, if not, have reconstruction at a later date.

    Best of luck with your decision. Whatever you do, do it for YOU.

  • cinnamonsmiles
    cinnamonsmiles Member Posts: 779
    edited December 2011

    Hi Mary,

    I agree that you have already done a lot of thinking on this subject and sounds like to me, you are on your way to making up your mind.

    I had a short but stressfull journey to make my decision to a bmx with no recontruction and am so happy with my choice. I just wanted all the cancer gone, and some how in my mind, taking both breasts off gave me more assurance from myself to myself (regardless of statistics, etc) that it was all gone and not coming back (I know there are no guarantees, but I had DCIS and PASH).

    I had rather large breasts and disliked wearing bras, but going braless was uncomfortable even at home...like if I had to run to catch my naughty dog or was outside and had to run to the house for something...my large breasts would be flapping all over. And not to forget the wonderful yeast infections I would get underneathe in the summer.

    They have mastectomy/prosthetic breast boutiques. Bras and prosthetics are covered by insurance, I am not sure how often because I only bought one bra and one set and never wear it.I hear wonderful things of Nordstrom's but see if you have any of those in your area. 

    I am ten months from my bmx today and have never worn my bra and falsies other than at the shop and at home. I have post mastecomy pain issues and could only buy foam ones and a giant bra cuz it had to be so loose. I also did not like the fact that they were "perky." My breasts were large and saggy and thats how I wanted the prosthetics to be.However, had I been able to choose more styles, I am sure I would have found something more acceptable.

    After my mastectomy, I was not totally flat and now that I have gained weight, I have even more bigger pouches where my breasts used to be. I was so upset and devastated, until I caught my partner looking down my shirt at my fake cleavage. He has been so instrumental on how well I accept things.Like Kathy's husband, my partner said at our age, he's not in it for the boobs.

    I didn't want to go through all that pain and work to get another set of breasts and have to wear another darn bra.And like you, the pictures that the plastic surgeon (and insurance only covered one in a 45 mile radius), were not anything to brag about. 

    And I still have feeling on my chest area. Although I don't have all the parts I used to have, I at least still get feeling across there now. I have read of many women who get recontruction lose their ability to feel sensations on their breasts.

    That being said, there are many women who prefere to have breasts and are willing to go that route. We each need to decided what is best for ourselves and our unique situations.

    I wish you the best.

    Should you choose no recontruction, come back and we can give you a lot of tips on your mastecomy surgery and recovery tips!!!

    I truly wish you the best.

  • SheChirple
    SheChirple Member Posts: 954
    edited December 2011

    I had BMX 11/28/11 with TE implants in anticipation of permanent implants.

    I have always been large breasted and didn't think I would be comfortable without breasts.  I was DD.

    I think it is a very personal choice.  I do not regret my decision, however, sitting here with TE that are about a B cup, I feel that had I chosen NOT to reconstruct I probably would have been fine with that too.

    I do intend to go smaller, probably a generous C.

    You do what's right for you.

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited December 2011

    I am glad to have this forum to share life's adventures with no reconstruction. I had a mastectomy 20 months ago, and the second breast removed 5 weeks ago, and I am very comfortable with my decision to not get reconstruction.

    Two reasons come to mind, I absolutely don't want another surgery, and secondly, I think we are about more than our breasts. My body did something remarkable for me, it withstood two surgeries and countless tests so I can be cancer free, I am proud of myself and my body...and I even want to be able to communicate this to others.

     In my case, mastectomy was my only option, because my cancer was multifocal, but no node involvment and very clear margins so no chemo and no rads.

    I don't feel good about myself right now, 5 weeks out of surgery is too soon, but I want to learn to embrace my choices and move forward to loving myself. I am thankful to be able to share thoughts here and get support from others in my situation.

  • beacon800
    beacon800 Member Posts: 922
    edited December 2011

    Crystalphm, I just love your post. Indeed your body did do something wonderful for you. We all need to remember this and embrace our healing selves. The power of the body to heal is stunning and wonderful. I had BMX, no recon and am very happy. The only reason I can see for myself to do recon is purely cosmetic and i had to ask myself - who is my audience and who am I trying to please? I like me fine as is, my husband does too. So here I am, flat and happy :)

  • goldie123
    goldie123 Member Posts: 59
    edited December 2011

    i'm another one who chose not to do the reconstruction even though my doctors recomended it . i had my bmx in 2006 and i just wanted to get on with my life with as little surgery as possible. i definately dont regret it.  my recuperation from the bmx was awesome , i was home 26 hours later with very little discomfort. i got a few bras in my regular size to be even and   no one can tell which is me and which is the foob.   i never even think about it ,just get dressed as usual, my husband is just glad that i'm alive and  didnt have to go through more procedures

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited December 2011

    Hi Mary!  Five years ago if I had written a post on this subject it would have been exactly like yours!  I remember thinking also that if I was going to have a substitute breast I wanted to be able to take it off if it was uncomfortable.  I'd just finished chemo first too and was way past ready to get off the merry-go-round of constant doctor appointments.  Being done with it all and getting on with my life was the goal. 

    I had just a left side mastectomy and it took me some time to work out the perfect foob/bra combination and that was kind of annoying until I got it right.  Now I don't even think about it ... I just put on a bra that already has one side filled and I'm good to go.

    There are both physical and emotional aspects to this decision.  No right or wrong.  Just whatever we as individuals are most comfortable with is the right decision.

    Hoping all goes well for you with those last 2 chemos and your surgery.      

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited December 2011

    Hi Mary625,

    Perhaps you'd find it helpful to check out my non-profit website, BreastFree.org. There are personal stories, photographs, advice about breast forms and bras, and information about what to expect post-surgery. Many of the stories and photos on BreastFree.org were contributed by women I met here at breastcancer.org.

    My story is the first in the Personal Stories section of my website. I had my bilateral mastectomy over five years ago and haven't regretted my decision. I usually wear lightweight breast forms, though I often go flat at home. I do everything that I did before and (thanks to excellent physical therapy after surgery) my posture is actually better than it was before!

    Good luck with your decision.

    Barbara 

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited December 2011

    Thanks for all of the responses.  Barbara--I already found BreastFree.org but it's good to know that you are also here on this forum!  When you said you did everything you did before, can I ask you if you go to the gym or exercise class and if so, do you where the breast forms or not?

  • caaclark
    caaclark Member Posts: 936
    edited December 2011

    Hi Mary,

    Glad you found us and also found breastfree.  My story is also on there titled Carol.  I understand what you mean about it seeming like everyone else reconstructs.  I am almost 6 years out from diagnosis and depsite many people telling me I would change my mind and do recon, I have not changed my mind and am very happy not doing reconstruction.  It just was not the right choice for me.  I think that because I was on the younger side when diagnosed and had young kids for some reason people thought I would want reconstruction.

    I have NO physical restrictions-I work out with free weights, run, play tennis, etc.  I had a single mast. and wear a breast form all the time except when I sleep. 

  • mrsnjband
    mrsnjband Member Posts: 1,409
    edited December 2011

    I went breast free for 3 years and I didn't care what anyone thought.  I learned to dress differently & no one noticed.

    I recently had reconstruction because I kept getting infection on the bc side because they burned my scar with the rads. I am now happy with the reconstruction.  

    You can always do recon at a later date.  Make the decision that is best for you! NJ 

  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited December 2011

    Mary-I had a BMX with no recon in April of this year. I go to the gym-weights,core, cardio......I also run, swim, lots of hiking, some biking. I have no physical limitations from my BMX. I returned to the gym as soon as I got my drains out(1 week post-op). At first I was very cautious but soon I found my way back. My BS didn't believe in physical therapy. She said that studies show women who get early PT don't do any better in the long run. At times I wished I had some guidance though. Good luck with you decision! Your thoughts on the MX mirror mine. I don't regret my decision. It was the best option for me. I haven't worn a bra since befoer surgery & haven't wanted to try prosthetics.

  • calamtykel
    calamtykel Member Posts: 1,187
    edited December 2011

    Mary -- I had a left side mastectomy - I'm 42 and had no reconstruction.  I knew my decision from day 1 and have never once regretted it-not for a second.  What I have regretted is that I just didn't get the other guy lopped off at the same time-because now I have to go for mammos.

     I would suggest you google The Scar Project and check out the photos of the women who have chosen no reconstruction.  They are gorgeous.  :0)  I love not having the additional weight on my chest-- dealing with heat rashes in the summer, etc. 
    I totally respect and understand the decision to reconstruct- --it's so wonderful that women have that option now.  I have a friend who had a bi-lateral last summer and had implants put in.  She showed me the result - very nice, but just not for me.  :) 

  • calamtykel
    calamtykel Member Posts: 1,187
    edited December 2011

    I might add that my doctor pushed VERy hard for reconstruction.  She refused to even do the mastectomy until I met with a plastic surgeon.  I'm happy I did because the plastic surgeon suggested if I didn't want recon, to have a reduction on the other side.  I'm happy because I'm now a B cup.  :D  I wish I just had it off completely but this is a good compromise I guess.

    I was angry that my breast surgeon thought she knew me - she told me different ways I would "feel" -that I was just not thinking clearly, etc.  Hm.  No, think not.  You don't know me.  :)  But the plastic surgeon pulled up a stool and said "Tell me about you."  And I did.  And I finished by saying "I don't think reconstruction is for me."   Her answer "Yes, I think you're absolutely right".  So she was willing to listen when the BS was not.  

    My BS still comments when I go: 'So are you thinking of reconstruction?"  Me "Nope - I'm happy the way I am...."  :)

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited December 2011

    Mary,

    Since my surgery five years ago, I've gone to the gym and taken exercise classes. I wear foam breast forms when I exercise (either Amoena Leisure Forms, Style 126, or ABC First Forms). I wear them in a Still You Tank Top (really a camisole). This is my staple garment for exercising and I often use it for everyday wear. For me, it's so comfortable. And even though the breast forms are foam, those two styles have a very natural shape and no one would know they're not real (unless they hugged me really tight and anyone who hugs me that tight already knows LOL). I worked with a trainer for a while and she never guessed I'd had a mastectomy until I told her.

  • barsco1963
    barsco1963 Member Posts: 2,119
    edited December 2011

    Ladies - thank you for all of your stories. I too am sitting on the fence so to speak. Had a umx in July - still considering removing the right breast (waiting for genetic test results before final decision). Not sure about recon. I am on the smaller size and have never really liked wearing a bra either. Have done a bit of reasearch and I am not crazy about the surgeries, scars and possible complications that comes with recon.

    I think people do expect one to have reconstruction - however, at this point, I think I would be ok without.

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited December 2011

    I'm also one whose doctor heavily recommended reconstruction - and I decided against it.  I had a bi-lateral MX in April for DCIS.  I'm glad I did both breasts - no more worrying about bc on the side that did not yet have cancer (although I'd had 4 biopsies on that.), and glad I didn't reconstruct.  I didn't want the possibility of problems from the recon - I'd had enough surgery. I also feel that breasts do not make me a woman and the lack of breasts does not make me less attractive.  I go flat all the time -no one notices, except to ask whether I've lost weight.  I feel beautiful - and comfortable.  I love going without a bra. 

  • PLJ
    PLJ Member Posts: 373
    edited March 2012

    Edited to say I'd be interested to hear if anyone else asked about the potential for seeding during implant recon and what the answer was. This was a major factor in my decision making process.

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited December 2011

    It amazes me to hear that a surgeon would suggest reconstruction! My breast surgeon, the one who removed my breasts said we could talk about that in a year, and he never brought the subject up again.

    He just strongly felt a year was needed to be sure everything was stable. Interesting. I am not having reconstruction, so it is no matter, but I am surprised with doctors suggesting this. Do they go as far as to tell you what plastic curgeon to see?

    Just curious...

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited December 2011

    PLJ--I don't know what seeding is but am wondering if that is when stray cancer cells not removed by the MX take root?  No, I did not ask because I had never heard of it before, and yes, that would be a major factor for me. 

    Thanks, all, for your responses.  

  • PLJ
    PLJ Member Posts: 373
    edited December 2011

    mary625: That pretty much sums it up.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2011

    I had two breast surgeons I consulted recommend PS's to see. One even made appts for me. IMO, that's all about the business end of things. If you do decide to reconstruct, they hope to keep you in the same hospital system.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited May 2013

    Crystal, my surgeon also said to wait. He would prefer a 2-year wait before recon. Last time I saw him, I told him I was leaning towrds no recon, and he told me that it is very personal and some women do it while others don't and that he had no horse in that race.

  • jblcsw10
    jblcsw10 Member Posts: 174
    edited December 2011

    My story is a little different so I thought I'd share my experience and brand new decision. I had my second bout with BC in June '10, due to prior rads had to have MX and chose BMX. I had immediate reconstruction with TEs - not reconstructing was not even something I considered. Now, 18 months later, I have been through necrosis that lasted almost a year, resulting in eventual removal of the rt side TE, since August I have been trying to decide what to do next. I sought a 2nd opinion with a PS and had surgery scheduled for May '12 to have TRAM flap. This weekend I made the decision to have the other TE removed and forego any other surgeries. My body has been through enough, 3 surgeries in the past 18 months. I am fortunate to be cancer free. I have decided to accept my body as it is and move forward with my life. I just can't imagine another year of major surgery and healing. I am done. I tried and it didn't work and I am going to love my body just the way it is. It took a lot of soul searching to get to this point. Interesting a lot of people gave me the opposite advice, they couldn't believe I would go through all this trouble just to have breasts. I don't think you can truly understand it unless you live it. I am at peace now with my decision but it took all of this to get to this point. 

  • epgnyc
    epgnyc Member Posts: 101
    edited December 2011

    Mary, you are a woman after my own heart.  It sounds like you have really thought about this issue and have done your research.

    I had BC 9 years ago and had a lumpectomy, chemo and radiation.  This Feb. I was diagnosed with a 2nd BC in the same breast and opted for a BMX.  In the hospital where I had my surgery there was a group of 7 other women who'd undergone mastectomies and we brought together before checking out so the nurse could discuss PT and drain procedures.  Of the group I was the only one who was not having reconstruction.  And my doctors (surgeon and oncologist) both asked, "When is your reconstruction?"  Not "Are you having reconstruction?"  That being said, both were fine when I responded that I wasn't having it.  I think these days the norm is swinging to most people getting reconstruction following mastectomy.

    Prior to my surgery I saw a PS who, after a thorough exam, said that I was not a good candidate for implants.  He said he'd give me a 50%+ failure rate for the breast that had been radiated (I have very sensitive skin and the radiation had done a number on that breast).  I also have a very close friend who opted for an implant following surgery for a recurrnce in the same breast, which had been radiated.  Hers didn't fail but it was so painful (because the skin had little elasticity post-radiation) that she had it removed.  The PS I saw recommended DIEP Flap surgery if I wanted reconstruction, but with a 13-hour surgery and 6-8 weeks of additional recovery time I gave him a firm "No."  Like you, I didn't want to spend any more time having and recovering from additional surgery.  This would have been following a grueling chemo regimen.  I wanted to be able to jump right back into my life at that point.

    I have been very happy with my decision.  I do wear my prostheses and find them and the special bras extremely comfortable, something I hadn't expected.  For me it's really no different than wearing a bra was prior to all of this.  Be sure that you go to a place that has an experienced, certified fitter as I think this makes all the difference.  As someone else posted, mastectomy bras and prostheses are covered by medical insurance.  After my surgery I did exercises and then went to 6 weeks of PT and have complete range of motion back and can do anything I did before.

    Obviously, this is a very personal decision each woman must make for herself, but it sounds like you're well on your way.  And remember, if for some reason a year or more from now you're not happy with your decision, you can always go back and do reconstruction.  Good luck to you.

  • Murmist
    Murmist Member Posts: 32
    edited December 2011
    Mary: I am 19 days out from a BMX with no recon. I applaud your research, this is at best a very difficult and personal decision. THe discussion boards have been a huge support system for me as I went through the inital process of deciding what to do and what to expect. Like KMPOD I approached my chose from a risk/benefit point of view. I am a prior OVCA survivor (2004) and had gone through chemo and blood transfusion, etc. I was told if I did the MX my risk of having the bc return was 0%, I would also not have to do chemo, radiation or ever have another mamo. So the decision at that point became a no brainer and for peace of mind I did the BMX. I also found out after talking to the PS, who definitely pushed TE's, that if I ever chose to reconstruct I could do it at ANYTIME.  I saw my chest bandaged after surgery and have seen my incisions when bandaging was changed and was not freaked out. I know that there is still a healing journey ahead of me,but I do not regret the decision of no recon.  As many before me have stated, my breasts do not define who I am.  I am just so happy to be cancer-free that the loss of my breasts is minor in the grand scheme of things.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2011

    Jane/jblcsw - I responded to your post on another thread where you mentioned you had decided to remove your second expander. I felt much like what you expressed above. I knew I had put my body through enough and needed to let go of the idea of reconstruction and love my body the way it was. Yes, I had reached a point where it didn't matter any longer. I'm no longer held hostage by foreign objects inside me, and that is such a relief. Also, I feel free knowing that I won't ever have to have surgery to replace the implants when they "expire". I hope surgery goes well and you have a speedy recovery.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited December 2011

    "Seeding" is when the needle track from a biopsy pulls cancer cells into good breast tissue. If you get a mastectomy, they are removing all breast tissue so there is no issue. Those with lumpectomies sometimes get the needle tracks taken out with the lump.

    I am known for saying "Why should I wear fake boobs to make YOU feel better?"

    I am 3 years out and loving it!!! Flat and sleek and sexy.....! It still feels wicked to not wear a bra. I make sure I get slinky material that feels good against my body. When I used to buy clothese I'd show my DH and say "look how pretty", now I say "look how soft!".

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2011

    Barbe, I had never heard of the word, "seeding". I always wondered if something like that was possible. Thanks for the info.

  • jblcsw10
    jblcsw10 Member Posts: 174
    edited December 2011

    Thanks Tina, and all of you here. Now that I've made my decision can't wait to get the TE removed and get on with it and like you said, love this body as it is. 

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