November 2011 Rads

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  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited December 2011

    Joan - could your rash be shingles?  Might be worth checking for that. 

    Wishing everyone a good Friday and a nice weekend to recuperate!

  • Natters
    Natters Member Posts: 361
    edited December 2011

    Ugh, I only have one more whole breast tx left but I'm dreading it bc I already feel so burnt crispy :( TGIF indeed!!! My partner is being sweeter although she is in a lot of pain from her knee - she says maybe she will feel like going for one drink next Friday to celebrate the end of rads, and that she realizes that day is important to me. I don't really need to go out, I just wanted the validation that it was a big deal for me, that rads has been hard. I'll probably just make sure to have treats on hand for us to celebrate quietly at home since that is the day after her surgery.



    Happy Almost Weekend, guys! Two days off for our skin to try and heal AND no driving to the hospital!



    Nat

  • kdajay
    kdajay Member Posts: 90
    edited December 2011

    This is it! The last boost will be today and I will be so glad when it is over!!

    I see a lot of you are getting close and I hear those mixed emotions in your posts.You are glad that the end is in sight but don't want to celebrate just yet and not sure if celebrate is really the word to use. Let me tell you a secret. I have seen a lot of patients on their last day at radiation (you hear comments that let you know because no one at the RO office - patients included - actually have conversations with you - kind of like riding in an elevator with other people if you know what I mean). Each one of them I told congratulations to. Why? I mean these are total strangers after all. Because I did not see one of them being given any encouragement from the person with them and they all looked soooo tired and not happy at all. It wasn't because I thought the last treatment was really any big deal and figured, when I had mine, it would be a day like any other. But today...today I stopped for donuts for the office where I work...today I sent an email to the entire office and told them that the donuts were in celebration of my last treatment...today, I am going out to dinner - exhausted as I am - because today IS a big deal!!!

    Thank you for listening to my rants about my aches and pains. I will continue to listen to yours and offer advise where I have any. and here is a hug for each of you! {{{{{{{{HUG}}}}}}}}

    Natters - I understand the need for that validation. My husband has been very supportive but sometimes I just want to say, "hey...a little compassion here!" They just don't really understand because they aren't experiencing it. It is okay to feel the way you do. We all do sometimes.

    tvacrat - While I am celebrating today, I am doing it for you too. Because, that way, I can celebrate again WITH you next week!!!

  • Mandalala
    Mandalala Member Posts: 162
    edited December 2011
    Does anybody else here have muscle/joint pain on both sides? Mine started on the affected side (left) but now, both arms hurt. No Tamoxifen (for the time being), no chemo, just radiation. I am getting worried about it.
  • Natters
    Natters Member Posts: 361
    edited December 2011

    Mandalala, I have had a little soreness that I attribute to a number of factors including sleeping all weird and contorted and even just holding my body differently and stiffly during the day, because of the pain. We're using muscles we never used before, carrying ourselves differently. I have stopped working out and I'm also on Tamox, so those are some other reasons for me.

    kdayjay: CONGRATULATIONS!!! Thank you for the thoughtful post. I won't be at work my last day because I took it off to nurse my partner, but I'm going to maybe steal your idea for the following Monday. Bring some treats into work and send everyone an email explaining that they are to celebrate the fact that I will NOT be leaving work early that day and driving to the hospital.

  • Vicks1960
    Vicks1960 Member Posts: 473
    edited December 2011

    When I finished my rads on November 18, the techs gave me a Mylar balloon with "congrats, alright!, way to go all over it, and had a pink certificate of graduation tied to the string.  The cancer center I have been going to in Lincoln, NE  has a GREAT STAFF!!  Both for the R/O and M/O.  I have had EXCELLENT care.

    It was wonderful to have the techs smiling and friendly when they would call me.  Their attitudes made the whole thing more pleasant.  I do not miss not being there,  Unless something comes up I won't return until April when I need to see both Oncologists.

    Vickie

  • kdajay
    kdajay Member Posts: 90
    edited December 2011

    Vicks1960 - That sounds like fun from a staff that really understood your challenge! I wish the RO staff where I go would have been like that, but they seem afraid that they are going to breach some HIPPA regulation all the time. I commented one day that a lot of people must be finishing up that day (because they were saying so in the waiting room) and they wouldn't even answer me. They just looked at each other in a odd way. I could tell they didn't know what to say.

  • ptdreamers
    ptdreamers Member Posts: 1,080
    edited December 2011
    kdajay, Congrats! The waiting room in my center has coffee, tea, puzzles spread out and we do talk to one another as we are waiting. Some of the stories are heartbreaking but we all offer words of encouragement to one another. Natters, the quiet celebration sounds like the way to go. Had my CT scan yesterday and I asked what they were hitting during rads.. They said just alittle bit of lung. Probably the reason the RO keeps asking if I have any coughing or difficulty breathing. Glad it is the weekend and we can all rest. I agree that the way we must sleep, lack of exercise and the weird way we hold our arms probably all contribute to muscle aches and pains. The end is sight for this portion of our journey. Hope we keep in contact in an after rads thread of some sort.Smile
  • tvacrat
    tvacrat Member Posts: 60
    edited December 2011

    kdajay - I hope you're done by the time this appears. And you've got the weekend to celebrate. I'm only giving you hugs on one side - the other hurts too much. hugs)))))))))))

  • Mandalala
    Mandalala Member Posts: 162
    edited December 2011

    Natters – good to get a wider perspective of it! I googled muscle pain + radiation and didn't like the result much ("skeleton metastases can cause muscle pain and are treated with radiation" – yay, or not ...). Hope you and your partner will have a good celebration when you are done! 

  • JenBro
    JenBro Member Posts: 21
    edited December 2011

    kdajay, Congrats! Thanks too for sharing such a thoughtful post with those of us just finishing behind you.

    And Congrats to all of us who are near the finish line here this next week. I've wondered how I will feel when I go next Tues. for my last treatment. It seems like a huge milestone in this journey and well worth celebrating. My birthday is on Monday so I am celebrating finishing rads with another birthday. I am so thankful to still be here to celebrate one! (I will be 55. My mom died at 52 so every year past that I feel is a blessing.)

    Holy Cow, the fatigue has really hit me like a Mac truck these past few days! I asked my RO about it today and he said that is common, and that it is common to experience fatigue for 6-8 weeks AFTER my last treatment. He also told me to keep using Aloe gel on my skin for 3 months afterwards to help it heal and prevent it from getting 'tough' in the years ahead. He said we will meet next Tuesday to talk through post rads care. 

    I saw my oncologist Wed. and he is switching me from Arimidex to Tamoxifen because of my osteoporosis. I'm hoping I will not have the intense SE's from the T that I had with the A. I will also get a Reclast infusion the end of Jan. to help with the osteoporosis. It's an annual infusion. 

    I think there is a post rads thread for us to keep in touch after we finish rads.

    Hoping everyone has a good, restful weekend, and especially for those of you who are experiencing intense skin problems. Pamper yourselves. You all deserve it!

  • Natters
    Natters Member Posts: 361
    edited December 2011

    Today was my last whole breast (yay!) but when I got undressed for it, I lost some skin off my hot spot. I know I'm lucky it only happened today, right before #25. after my zaps, I met a new nurse that was nicer than my usual one who was very sympathetic and she put a dressing on it for me: Xeroform. It's nice and wet so it won't pull of more skin when I go to take it off. she gave me a big bag with a bunch of em plus some bandages and tape to put on top so that it won't stain my clothes. Imagine that - she knew I might not want it on my Clothes! Meanwhile, the other nurse handed me the Aquaphor without warning me that it would stain all my clothes :/



    Have a great weekend, ladies!

  • Joan811
    Joan811 Member Posts: 2,672
    edited December 2011

    dsnydawn - you asked if i had a port - no, i did not have chemo.  but it is a strange spot.  i am pretty convinced it is not skin damage.
    LuvRving, the NP asked if i had chickenpox -- i realized she was thinking shingles.  i am using anti-fungal and itch is better, but raised blotchy spot still there.
    i saw the NP from MO's office today and also saw cardiologist.  so, waiting for me a few days on the other side of the rads finish line is an appointment for a heart catheterization.  there go my plans for my time off before next semester begins.   it never ends.Frown 

  • MrsMot
    MrsMot Member Posts: 90
    edited December 2011

    Dsnydawn - I too cannot wait for the next surgery.  I think my dr did same as my rt breast (where bc was) is bigger or seems bigger.  I also will need a new nipple.  I can't wait till they remove my port.  I love it as it made getting chemo easy.  But its time for it to go!

    Its Friday evening and its nice having the next two days off.  Eight down...25 to go.

    Have a great weekend everyone!

  • Joan811
    Joan811 Member Posts: 2,672
    edited December 2011

    Mrs Mot, I am with you - 10 down here, about 20 to go....LOVE the week ends.

  • nans
    nans Member Posts: 45
    edited December 2011

    Hi all,

    Missed "talking" with you all.  I made the mistake of doing some on line searches about metaplastic breast cancer, something I haven't done for awhile, and got myself depressed. I decided to take a break from the world of cancer for a bit.

    Glad to hear some of you are getting closer to the end.  Even if your clinic doesen't celebrate it for you I agree you should do something special for yourself.  It really is reason to celebrate.

    Hope those of you with increasing skin issues have been able to find some relief.  I'm about half way done now but still don't have any major problems thank God.  Just an ever reddening section of my chest.  I've been wearing my surgical camisole instead of a bra.  It's a lot more comfortable than my bra but makes me look like a saggy old lady! 

    I told my techs on Friday that I felt like the radiation room was a scene from Star Wars with all the laser lights they use to line me up and the equipment rotating around me. They decide to each take a role from the movies.  The lead tech is very tall so he's Chewbaca and his assistant is very petite so she's Princes Lea.  I'm imagining the radiation as my jedi knights fighting the cancer now.  It makes the whole process a little more bearable.

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited December 2011

    Nans - the Star Wars analogy is priceless! I will think of that tomorrow during rads. My techs are cordial, but I could never kid around with them as you do with yours - My center is the only one here in the Adironacks, so it is packed. I definitely feel that I am part of an assembly line. I could kid with my chemo team - I miss them (not the chemo, though!!!) 

    re: metaplastic - One of the pathologists who wrote my post surgery report stated that there was evidence to support a dx. of metaplastic. I will probably ask my onc about this when I see him in Jan., I went to several sites to learn more - like you, I became depressed. I have decided to give my investigation a break. The treatment will be the same weather I have metaplastic or not, so I am going to put it on a back burner for now. As I have written before, I will participate in an oral chemo research study following rads., so I will have a chance to ask several med profs about the dx. of metaplastic. My onc is nice, but appears to feel that I am better-off not knowing as much as do about my cancer. I have learned far more about it on this site and by doing my own research than I have from any professional.  

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited December 2011

    ....duh to me - too early to connect my fingers to my brain - I meant to type, "Adirondacks" -  i see some other typos, too, but you can fill in the blanks...lol

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited December 2011

    I'm thinking the USS Enterprise! 

    I have friendly techs, too.  But I don't have the same ones  every night.  They all take turns with the late appointments, so I think I've seen at least five different ones so far.

  • dsnydawn
    dsnydawn Member Posts: 175
    edited December 2011

    too funny girls... I call my machine Wall e...it is a big circle and I imagine a face with all the screws etc..and started calling it walle so it wouldn't be so scary.  They also have a blue ceiling with stars that twinkle (great for the star wars idea!! ) but I pick the brightest one and make a wish each time..I know it's kind of cheating because it's not a "real" star, but what the heck!!  7 more to go and skin is holding on.  Very red in my armpit and 2 marks by my collarbone but from what I've read from some of you, nothing to complain about...Going to a little get together at 3 with my hubby at a coworkers home...so nervous about meeting new people with my damn wig!!  Oh well guess I'll have a glass of wine..that should help!!!  Hope you all have a nice Sunday and an easy week...

  • RealtorJackie
    RealtorJackie Member Posts: 91
    edited December 2011

        Well, I have been "taking the twins out"  all weekend--trying to get some air around my sore one.  I am really sore.  Using Aquafor, aloe(plant), and drinking Juven.  This is my last week.  Boosts to the tumor site all week.  I hope my skin holds up.  I can't believe this is soon over!!!!!

  • lilylady
    lilylady Member Posts: 1,079
    edited December 2011

      My thoughts on the "machine" are way different from all of yours. It rotates around my body to 3 different positions-and come fairly lose to my body while doing it. And that worries me!

     I am an electrician in a Ford transmission plant and we have lots of robots. Many times I have seen a robot lose its mind and toss whatever part it is supposed to be putting in a transmission across it's enclosure-or try to cram it somewhere it definitely shouldn't go. or run its arm into the fence. Usually no warning-just a big brain fart for no reason.

      The first thing I asked my techs is "has this thing ever lost it's mind?" They tell me that's crazy and no way could that ever happen. People i have seen this happen. They do shut it down for preventive maintenance but losing it's program isn't a predictable thing.

     I juts picture it rushing towards me and crushing my chest or picking me up and slamming me against a wall. I realize the odds of that happening are small but due to my experience with these type of things it is a possibility.

      Now that I have raised the anxiety level I am so glad to see people finishing up and getting ready to move on. I will be so happy to see Dec 27 come around (my last day). I have cracked open in my upper armpit-I have a tape marker in there also so the blood keep fouling it up. Seems like I was fine one day and cracked the next

  • kdajay
    kdajay Member Posts: 90
    edited December 2011

    I am happy to report that one week after my last 'regular' radiation sessions, the horrible open sores, skin tightness, peeling and burning of my armpit is completely gone. Only a tan and some marks where the open sores were remain. Also, after the weekend, only redness, flaking of the skin, some peeling and a few open sores remain on my entire breast. So, for those of you with burns and bad skin reactions, there is healing rather quickly after radiation stops!

    I hope this week goes better for everyone!

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited December 2011

    Hi All,

    I'm not starting Rad's until the spring. But I have some questions. I know I shouldn't look too much forward, but I used to be a micromanager(I'm trying to stop)

    #1 after chemo was over-the port can come out-how many weeks did you have to wait? I'll be finishing up with 12 weeks of taxotere/taxol. and how long after the chemo is done does Rads start? I havn't met with my rad onco yet.

    # 2 since I still have my floppy size d breast that hangs way down there and then this over TE thing that is way higher-I can even it out now with my bra and padding. But what if your skin gets burned-how do you wear a bra? Would it be possible just to tape the floppy one up when I go out?

    Thanks for your replies and congrats on you'lls approaching graduations

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited December 2011

    Fredntan - my port came out about four weeks after I finished chemo.  This is another one of those things that differs with every oncologist.  I had a PET about two weeks after chemo and I knew that there was no sign of cancer.  I would have kept it longer if I hadn't shown a complete remission in my mammary nodes. 

    I think most people start rads right around a month after chemo.  Mine took longer because I had a surgery to remove my TEs so I needed a couple extra weeks to recuperate and heal. 

    I have no advice for your last question - had a BMX and I now have a concave chest so I won't have that problem.  What about wearing a soft camisole underneath a soft loose bra?

  • tvacrat
    tvacrat Member Posts: 60
    edited December 2011

    kdajay - thanks for the update. I had a reiki-type of treatment last Tues, my last rad session before the machine went down and they decided to give me a break because of my skin issues. That and the break from rads seemed to cool down the hot breast. My skin opened up in the armpit, along the top and side of the breast, underneath and around my nipple. As you found, once the rads stop, things start to heal. The armpit has closed, the other areas are starting to dry up, and nothing new has opened. But I have my last 3 boosts to get through this week, so there may be more to come. This radiation is a weird process. Although the radiated area stopped on a line extending down from my armpit, the skin adjacent going out to my shoulder blade has also become pink. Radiation seems to radiate - what a concept!

  • Natters
    Natters Member Posts: 361
    edited December 2011

    kdajay - thank you so much for coming back to give us hope! I really need it right now. Everytime I go to apply lotion and change my bandage, I see that I've lost more skin and now it looks like my raw area extends into the boost zone :( I was hoping that it would heal over the weekend but it looks like my breast continued to "cook" and my skin actually got worse. I was looking forward to starting boosts today but now I am a little afraid.....

    Fran - I was lucky and just had the lump, so I still have 2 big floppers, and I can help answer your question about wearing a bra. I was able to wear a bra at first - I did wear my largest and softest ones, though. I was probably OK like that the first few weeks. Part of the reason I had to stop wearing one was that the radiated breast swelled up an entire cup size (or maybe more now, by the end), making even my largest bra too tight. I am not sure if that happens with TEs - can anyone else comment on that?

    They say the best thing to do is not to wear a bra at all, but when you are a D cup or larger and you work outside the home, it's uncomfortable not to have support, so you're between a rock and a hard place. I finally bought some cotton camisoles that have a built-in shelf bra. They do not provide the same amount of support as a bra, but they are better than nothing, so that is what I wear to work. One of the best things about the camis is that a lot of them don't have a seam against your skin along the side of your chest like all your other bras and shirts have! I am even wearing one now, because a nurse gave me bandages that are thick like a maxi-pad that protect my skin from chafing on the upper and lower part of the shelf bra. Another thing I did before my skin got bad was go jogging by wearing a t-shirt under my bra, and then a baggy shirt over that.

    You may not have to worry about the inframammay fold (aka the Underboob)  on your TE, either, but that is one area that most well-endowed women have a problem with rads. I've heard of people cutting up their oldest and softestcotton  t-shirt and slipping some of that material in there so that the breast skin doesn't rub against the chest. At least one lady on here suggested using a silk scarf in her bra or cami.

    PS my sister's name is Francesca so it's fun for me to type a message to "Fran," although I hope I never have to send her advice for getting through rads. I totally get the wanting to plan everything in advance - I am the same way. I think it helps us feel in control. 

  • kdajay
    kdajay Member Posts: 90
    edited December 2011

    Fredntan - my MO doesn't have the port taken out for six months or longer just in case... I started rads about three weeks after the end of chemo. Probably earlier than some. I found that I got tired early on and then the fatigue got better in the middle then hit me hard again the last two weeks.



    Some advise, I am a controlling person and had to learn to just let whatever is going to happen happen. The hardest thing for me. You need to take one thing at a time and not worry about what the next step is. Right now, you may feel you are on a train that is out of control, and that you are still wanting to control it...I know I did. Give yourself a break, because a lot of your treatment is out of your hands once you have decided which direction to go. You will need all your energy to get through chemo...then you will have a break before you have to worry about rads. Also remember, everyone reacts differently. I got burned pretty badly, but others have only gotten a little red.

  • kdajay
    kdajay Member Posts: 90
    edited December 2011

    Natters - didn't see your post until I answered above. I found that the burn gel sheets they gave me at the RO office helped a lot...almost overnight in some cases. They are also kind of cushy so they give relief from rubbing and protected the ooze from sticking to my clothes ... Even the telfa pads stuck.. Since they stuck (not in a pull your skin off way) I could use them then put one of my husband's handkerchiefs between my bra and my skin and didnt need to use tape. It helped me get through and still wear my bra for work. I tried the tshirt under the bra thing but it drove me nuts trying to get my DDs in the bra with the shirt in the way. I also wore a tshirt (inside out so the seams weren't against my skin) under my sweater but on top of my bra to keep the sweater from rubbing against my underarm.

  • Natters
    Natters Member Posts: 361
    edited December 2011
    kdajay - on Friday I got a wet, yellow thin bandage called Xeroform - is that what your burn sheet is? That is the only thing that gives me relief (until it dries up and stops working overnight). I sure hope they give me more today at rads!!! They are super thin but I wear the big padded bandage when I have to wear a cami for work, but at night I just stick tefla pad over top.

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