Newly Dianosed and very confulsed
This is my 1st post. I am 49 and was Dx 10/27/11. Had lumpectomy 11/15/11. and 2 nodes removed and both negative. I am ER/PR positive, Will need Tamoxifen, I am Grade 2 Stage 1 with 1.5 cm removed. Saw Onc last week and we have ordered the Onco Type Dx and are waiting results. My husband doesnt want me to have chemo and is searching for alternative to Chemo. The rest of our family , and our grown children want me to have the chemo. I am not comfortable with either the Chemo onc or Radiation onc.. I am pre-men. I just need or am constantly searching for someone else who is/was at my stage. I have strong family history, my sister didnt survive. I am feeling very lost and overwhelmed with question with no one really to talk to. Any ideas????
Thanks
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Hi bizbeth, there are plenty of ladies here who will talk to you.
You need to be confident enough with your doctors to take their advice, especially with your family history; I am sorry to hear about your sister.
You have a little time to make your decision about chemo so try not to feel rushed. Continue to do your research, maybe get a second and even third onc opinions, talk with your family and see what the ladies here have to say.
I think the result of the oncotype test will be a big factor in your decision making and you shouldn't really decide without it and talking with an onc that you trust.
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bizbeth,
The waiting and not knowing your treatment plan is the worst part, in my opinion.
You are going to be okay but you will have to wait for your Oncotype score.
I avoided chemo & rads, all because of my Oncotype score, (even with1 positive node) I waited a long time for the test results as at my BLMX my surgeon refused to do it- as I had 1 positive node yet my MO was fine with me having it, so that delayed it and the waiting was horrid.
Once you get your results you can get as many professional opinions as you feel you need. Then decide which treatment you feel comfortable with. Do what is right for you and your body, listen to others, but you must have the final word. I researched like a crazy person, I found Dr Susan's Love Breast book very good. I was going to wear Penguin Cold Caps if I was going to need chemo..I wanted to keep my hair.
Take your time and best wishes to you, you will get through this. And Tamoxifen isn't a big issue for me either, a few cramps in my legs now and again at night, but a tonic water at night seems to fix that! Minus the gin! lol
Hugs,
Ali
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I think when you get the oncotype, you will really be able to have a good conversation with your family and husband because then you will have the whole picture.
It really is your decision and my experience was that I had a gut instinct about it-- my onco score was in the gray area-- and I just decided that I was going to do chemo--working full time, husband, 2 young children--did not WANT to do it-- I had no nodes, no family history,perfect health, but there I was....
It took me about 30 seconds to decide..... and this is a hard decision for everyone. Whatever you decide, it has to be YOUR decision because you are the one who has to live with it...I honestly think breast cancer decisions are not a democratic process-- it is more autocratic... and it should be!!!
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Hi Bizbeth...This is my first post, also. Wonder if you could avoid the chemo if you had a mastectomy? I just had a bilateral mastectomy...with immediate implants and one donor breast.... on December 1st as my treatment for DCIS after my lumpectomy did not present clear margins. After about 15 various doctor appointments, I made this decision in order to, hopefully, avoid the worrying, numerous doctor appts., and other harsh treatments. I was diagnosed on Sept 27, 2011. For me, the emotional trauma, and pre-surgery decision making, has been much harder than the surgery. I feel your pain and wish you the best.
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Take it one day at a time. My oncotype score is the reason I am having chemotherapy. My score came back at 25, which is smack-dab in the middle of intermediate, so along with my MO, we decided that chemo was a course I should take. I just turned 43, with breast cancer in my mother and my mom's sister, along with two cousins years ago. Just finished by 4th of 6 cycles of Taxotere/Cytoxan. The first three infusions were not that bad, but its been tougher this 4th time. There is so much information on this site for you to read regarding chemo. Don't be afraid of chemo....just meet it, head on if in fact you even need it. Just looking at your diagnosis, you would probably be put on the regimen I am on, except maybe only 4 treatments? Obviously, I hope you don't need chemo, but if you do, YOU WILL GET THROUGH IT!
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bizbeth, you've gotten some excellent advice above. The only thing I want to add is that, when you have more information from Oncotype and such, you may wish to look at the Cancermath site to help you make a decision about radiation and chemo. Don't do it now -- you don't have enough information yet, for one thing -- but you might bookmark it for later.
What that site does is show you the various statistical outcomes for different treatments. It's quite helpful in understanding what the different therapies can do for you.
The ladies on BCO will be here to help all along the way.
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Jildalove,
Thank you and that everyone for all you reply. I am sitting her crying with relief at finally geting the courage to reach out. The tears are streaming down so I hope I dont sound like an idiot right now. In response to the issue of mastectomy, when I have brought it up to my surgeon and the onc it is like they change the subject and dismiss me. It is very suttle but it is there. The oco says it wouldnt make any difference if I did, he said you could have a Mastectomy if you "just didnt like your breasts"....which was very sarcastic and belittled me so I just let the subject drop. I guess I need to stop and start standing up for myself. The pitty party really needs to end. I know... but I so much appreciate all the responses and again am so happy to have finally done this.
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Momand2kids,
Thank you so much for your response and advice. However, can I ask what decision you made? You said it took you 30 seconds to decide. Did you decide against Chemo? Did you have surgery? How are you doing now? And again thank you so much for your support!!!
Bizbeth
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bizbeth-
Hang in there. I am 1 year out from a similar diagnosis, and there is life after breast cancer treatment. I have to agree with the others who posted, the decision must be yours alone. You have to feel comfortable with it. I've never doubted mine, but I did wait until I had all the information before I made it.
Hugs
Hugs
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bizbeth:
I'm so sorry for all you're going through. Our stories sound similar: I'm 48, was diagnosed on 11/22, after having an incisional biopsy on the 17th. I am Stage 1 (1.3 cm), Grade 2, ER/PR positive and HER2 negative. I had a lumpectomy on 12/5 and learned today that I am node-negative. I do not have a family history, but am also pre-menopausal.
So far, my tests are indicating no need for chemo - but my surgeon has set up an appointment with the hematology oncologist (the doctor who would do my chemo) to talk more about options, as well as the Oncotype test. Right now, we have to wait for those tests to be returned before we make final decisions - and as with every other aspect of this insidious disease, the waiting is the hardest part. Learning to breathe (again!) while I wait to meet the new doctors and wait for the test results to come back and wait to make a decision that I really don't want to have to make.
My surgeon has been my only "point of contact" in my cancer journey so far - I have yet to meet any of the oncologists I will be working with. Sometimes I feel like he's being too short with me. If you don't feel your doctors are giving you the respect, time and energy you need and deserve, you have a right to seek a second opinion, or a new treatment specialist.
For the first few days I felt like all of this was happening "to" me, and I felt completely helpless. When I started reading these forums, doing reading online, talking with friends who are cancer survivors, and seeking out information I needed to answer my questions, I found myself empowered and far less helpless than before. I have decided that this is my life, and as momand2kids pointed out, this is not a democracy, it's my decision! Luckily, my husband has been by my side helping with research, but his first question is always, "What do you want to do?"
You have found an incredibly warm, loving and supportive community of very knowledgeable individuals. This is the first place I turn to when I have questions, need advice, or simply need to vent. We are all here for you as you wait, and wait, and wait some more, and as you gather facts and information and prepare to make decisions.
Take care of yourself, and remember to breathe deeply and hug yourself often. In the meantime, here's a *hug* for you now,
Nancy
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I am stage II, grade I, didn't have an oncotype (I don't think) but because of my type of BC and b/c some of my lymph nodes were positive, I opted for the "kitchen sink" approach: very aggressive tx meaning chemo, bi mastec. and radiation. I don't want to look back and say I should have done this later. I was petrified of chemo but besides the hair thing (which will grow back) it's not as bad as thought, so far. You need an oncologist you can trust and you need to be proactive in finding out what your options are, meaning get as much information as you are comfortable with. Dr. Susan Love's Breast Book was very helpful for me. Good luck. We are all here with you, shared survivors all. Hugs,
Claire
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We have similar stats. I was 45 last year when DX. I am stage 1, grade 2 and was pre-menopausal. The rest of my stats are below. Tumor was 1.4cm. I had an oncotype of 17. I also had angiolymphatic invasion listed as present on my pathology report, but I don't have a strong family history. I only had one aunt with BC and she got it in her 80's. I got two opinions from two med oncs and one said no to chemo and the other one said she would recommend it. I had to decide. I chose the chemo because of the angiolymphatic invasion and the fact that I my son was so young. I did 4 cycles of taxotere and cytoxan and it was not as bad as I thought it would be. I used cold caps to keep my hair. I did have a bmx with immedate reconstruction with TE's. I just had my final surgery for nipples on Friday. I am on tamoxifen too. Feel free to PM if you have questions. I am sorry about your diagnosis. Hugs!
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Bizbeth, I was dx in 2004 orginally i was told i had a lump approx 1.5cm and a lumpecomy and sentinel node would be the course of action this means they test first two nodes. What i didn't expect is that one of the nodes was positive the first one out of two so the surgeon wheeled me back in and took out 16 more nodes they turned out neg and did a partial masectomy. i asked them if only first one was positve and second was neg why more at the time they said it was because they thought cancer could skip trace jump over number 2 to 3 i since learned this is not accurate anyway i was 47 and due to one positive node and ER+PR- we should air on the side of caution and do 4 rounds chem, 8 weeks of radiation, and then add arimdex which is a hormone therapy medication so you are right in doing all your homework before treatment.
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Bizbeth, I am cancer free today however I am still under my oncologist care 2011 due to lymphnode removal which they call total axilla removal which are located under your armpit and breast. These nodes are extremely important for immune system drainage and filtering out bacteria fungi virsues and when removed the whole area is backed out swollen and extremely painful and due to the lack of education in 2004 about lymphedema and how to get it treated and under control immediately my doctors left it undiagnosised until 2008 when i did research and asked them to get me to occupational therapy by this time my lymphedema is in stage two which means it is not curable and affects my daily life and I constanely have infections, and do every thing i can to manage this condition so ask ask ask
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Bizbeth every one's cancer is different however you have the right to know all the can be maybe could be side effects of all treatments. Long term effects I love my oncologist and had really good doctors they just were not educated on lymphedema but they are now. Sadly which doctor is responsible for sending you is still up for debate. My personal thought is my surgeon should have told me more about this side effect and been more active in treating it when it developed in 2004.
MO is the leader of this group so I would tell anyone to go to them. Surgeons are seen in the beginning however MO makes the treatment plan and follows you to end and you send them almost every week for a year. Hope this helps in your planning and anyone esle who reads this
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dear sweetie, I know what you are going through, the questions, it,s all so overwhelming, please know that it will get better once your questions are answered, so I will tell you some of my story: I was diagnosed at 42 right in the middle of making plans for our wedding,so I didn,t want to get a mastectomy, but my fiancee, now husband and I opted for the mastectomy so my chances of survival would be better and also my concern about reoccurence,( idc, stage 2, 3 nodes involved, I had 3 months chemo before the total radical L mastectomy with reconstruction but expander removed because my body rejected it,3 months after mast. then we got married, then 7 wks of radiation, and 5 yrs on Tamoxifen. I AM 17 yr cancer free SURVIVOR(Praise God) who I received my HOPE from and staying Positive, always saying to myself and out loud"I WILL Be A SURVIVOR. Hang in there and come back here often we are here for you. msphil
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Bizbeth i also must ad that i was postmenopause and had taken estrogen and pro. for eight years due early menopause age 37 so my estrogen was 75% of my tumor I basically was feeding my cancer by taking these for eight years. I will add that chemotherapy the four times was a walk in the park compared to the 8 weeks of radiation. If you do decide on chemotherapy get a good steroid medication alot of them are expensive ask the nurses at the MO doctors office they have samples i took one only 4 times before treatment this saved me alot of side effects. My cancer was not HER+ no family history so we are different there but if I had a chance to do testing before I committed to all of this above I would have taken it gladly. You will be okay waiting is hard but knowledge is power so gather up your questions all questions are important.
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bizbeth, a couple of thoughts to add to the excellent suggestions and advice above... Has anyone suggested that in addition to the Oncotype-DX, you should also have some genetic testing, since your sister also had bc?
Also, the fact that your surgeon has a very condescending attitude about your questions + you're not at all comfortable with either your med onc or your rad onc, makes me think you really need to find docs different docs. Is your surgeon a breast surgeon, or (as I suspect), a general surgeon? Unless he has a very odd sense of humor, I can't imagine a breast surgeon making such a cavalier comment to a woman going through breast cancer -- which also makes me wonder if your med onc and rad onc are experts in breast cancer, or more general specialists, which may be why you aren't getting the right kind of communication from them to be comfortable with whatever it is they're telling you.
It's horrible to feel pulled in different directions by your DH and your kids when it comes to their thoughts about chemo. But neither one has all the facts yet as to whether or not chemo will even benefit you, so try to encourage them to wait until you have the results of your Oncotype. I think you'll find that much less stressful -- one step @ a time.
One more question... Did you have an MRI prior to your lumpectomy? Hopefully, you did. (((Hugs))) and glad you've found BCO... Deanna
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NancyHB if you are still out there I am having problems
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