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RachelsLife
RachelsLife Member Posts: 16

Hi - I have been lurking and reading posts for a couple of weeks but wanted to finally say hi and get a couple of questions out to you great ladies. I just had a BMX on 21 Nov, and found out 2 days ago that I'm Stage 3a - still recovering, and having my first MO visit next Tues 6 Dec. Is there a typical timeline for us Stage 3 gals that they start chemo after BMX? I am just impatient to know what the next steps are - and waiting until next Tues seems like an eternity!

 Also, is there a recommendation list for chemo survival supplies (such as MoM for constipation, any other over the counter suggestions?) - I think I need a project to keep my mind busy, and shopping might help :)

Thanks!

Rachel

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  • sugarplum
    sugarplum Member Posts: 318
    edited December 2011

    Welcome Rachel to the club nobody wants to join! I started my chemo on 7/5/06, after my bilateral on 6/6/06 (what a date, right?!). My constipation remedies were apricot nectar (!), Activia, and as many fruits & veggies as I could stand. The first two chemos I craved salty stuff, then O.D.'d on that & went for tomato soup, cottage cheese, & plain oatmeal with butter & whole milk. And for some reason, Lorna Doone shortbreads were palatable through the whole 5 months...

    Best of luck as you begin this journey...

    Julie     

  • weesa
    weesa Member Posts: 707
    edited December 2011

    Rachel, I started chemo exactly four weeks after my surgery. They want to make sure your incision is healed since healing is more difficult during cheom.

    Take heart, by the way, you diagnosis is similar to mine and I have done well despite myhself.

  • Celtic_Spirit
    Celtic_Spirit Member Posts: 748
    edited December 2011

    Hi, Rachel,

    Most likely, you will do chemo next. Your oncologist will discuss various regimens with you that best fit your profile. Then you will have radiation, which usually lasts from four to six weeks, followed by (or concurrent with) Tamoxifen or one of the AIs since you are hormone positive.

    Chemo supplies - you might want to start thinking about whether or not you plan to wear a wig, a scarf, or nothing at all. If you opt for a wig, start looking for wig stores. I found that some wig stores carried excellent products; other stores had wigs that looked like dead animals!

    Dental products that don't contain alcohol - I used toothpastes, rinses, and mouth sprays made by Tom's and Biotene. Use a very soft toothbrush as your gums will be extra sensitive. Lemon drops promote saliva, which will help with dry mouth.

    I used a lot of hand sanitizer and Clorox wipes, esp. after using public bathrooms. Chemo gives some people diarrhea and others constipation. My body went the constipation route, so I used a lot of stool softeners and Senocot. Tylenol is usually recommended over ibuprofen and aspirin. Be sure to clear all medications and supplements with your oncologist.

    Food - your taste buds are going to get messed up. Spicy foods may taste good, but I found they also gave me mouth sores. Ice cream, soups, oatmeal, and yogurt worked well for me. I also ate pizza, meatloaf, pecan pie, and tuna casserole. Your body will tell you what you what works.

    You'll probably take a steroid before and after each infusion called decadron/dexamethasone. It's going to make you crazy. Just know that if you get extra weepy, paranoid, depressed, or aggressive during chemo week, it's most likely the drug. I wish someone had warned me, because I thought I was wigging out.

    Good luck! You'll be through it before you know it!

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited December 2011

    Hi Rachel, sorry you have to be here but glad you found us!@

     I was in the exact same situation as you three years ago (surgery Dec 11th) and started chemo about a month later.  That lasted about 4 months, then I got a month off before I did 5 weeks of radiation. So, you have quite the year ahead of you, but you will get through it!

    As for chemo, well, I do think you just pick it up as you go along. Everyone has different SE`s, and you do learn how to cope with each round.  Then they change the drugs and it is all different! I would recommend joining in with a Chemo group here, it is nice to be going through it with others.

    The hair part does truly suck, but I have so much hair now it is ridiculous! I was adamant that I wasn`t going to wear a wig, and went out and bought lots of scarves and hats etc, and then when my hair actually went I hated being bald, and ended up wearing a wig the entire time!  So, you will never know how you will feel until the time comes.

    Try not to get too far ahead of yourself with things, take it one step at a time. Also use these boards, there is always someone who can help you through anything!!

  • RachelsLife
    RachelsLife Member Posts: 16
    edited December 2011

    Thank you all so much for the quick and detailed responses!!  I appreciate the first-hand knowledge - since I've never known someone while they were going through this, I have no idea what to expect!

    Another question that is really weighing on me - I have 4 young kids (ages 8, 7, 5, and1) - we talked to them about the surgery, and they were OK with that (I even used the term "cancer" which they don't know enough to be scared of) - but I'm struggling with how to explain chemo to them. I had people recommend some books, which I bought - but all of them started essentially saying mom might die, which is not anything I intend to discuss with my kids at this point (this isn't going to kill me, so I have no intention of worrying my kids!). If you have thoughts or advice, I would appreciate it!

     Also, weesa and Celtic_Spirit, I've been following the slouchfest thread, and you are both inspirations for the type of survivor I intend to be!

    Rachel

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited December 2011

    Rachel...glad you found us....but sorry that you had to.....My younger daughter was 7 turning 8 when I was Dx.....I found a great book....The Year My Mother was Bald......

    I hurried through the process....bilat 4 weeks post Dx, TAC chemo started 3 weeks post bilat, then rads 3 weeks post chemo.....I was Dx 2/2006, so going on 6 years....its a hard journey but a doable one....

    I will write more tomorrow night.....It is almost candle lighting for Shabbat.

  • Mimidi
    Mimidi Member Posts: 231
    edited December 2011

    Rachel the only thing I can add is you might not have constipation.  You might have diaherra....explosive.  This is what happened to me.  This went on from January until  after I finished chemo in June.  Also you could lose your ability to taste.

     I had my surgery the first of Novenber.  Mastsectomy and reconsturcion of left breast.  I started chemo in January.  My oncologist told me I needed time to heal.  I also had a port for the chemo.  This was wonderful.  The chemo nurses had instant access to a vein. The port is on my right side above my breast.

  • diana50
    diana50 Member Posts: 2,134
    edited December 2011

     rachel

    already you have gotten some good information.  this is a great group.

    always ask questions here if stuff comes up.  someone will be around to answer the question or give some information. 

    i didn't buy any chemo supplies; the doc office gave me stuff for nausea...stomach issues. take good care of your mouth; biotene rinse at night will help dry mouth and protect your teeth and gums. 

    i loved being bald.  i just wore scarves...and a hat. my chemo was in the summer and i live in the desert so i had a tan head. 

    i did ride my bike during chemo; some people walk...etc.  i just paced myself and sometimes it was just around the block but i felt it was important to move my body. 

    i also practiced mental imaging; i could see the chemo reaching all rough cells in my body and taking them out*  the cancer cells were "shaking in their boots"  in my mind when i went in for infusion.  will you get a port?  it helps with infusion and blood draws.

    there is a lot of information out there on how to talk to kids about cancer...etc. i think you want to be honest but not scarey.  i was working the first month of my chemo doing some group counseling with high risk kids.  all i said to them was that i was taking some very strong medicine that was sooo strong my hair fell out.  they seemed ok with that.  trust yourself and your husband on what you want to do about that.  maybe others will share their own experiences with what they did with their own kids.  like i said; lots of good experience here *

    i journaled every day.  i wanted to keep track of how i felt; physically, emotionally...etc.  i didn't always write a lot but i found as the weeks went by the infor i had written earlier was helpful.  i also did some verbal tapings...which i haven't listened to.

    let people help you; 

    you can do this . avoid "what if:" thinking. 

    hugs****

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited December 2011

    Rachel, my kids were 3 and 5 when I was going through Chemo. We told them that Mummy had something "yucky" growing in her boobie (we didn't use the word cancer, they didn't know what that meant at that time) and that the Dr had removed it all, but that I had to take some medicine to make sure it didn't grow back. And that it might make me sick and it would make my hair fall out. That seemed to be all they needed. Your older ones might need a bit more explanation.  I don't think it ever occurred to them that I might die.

     Good news is 3 years on, they really remember nothing. 

  • SharonMH
    SharonMH Member Posts: 353
    edited December 2011

    Hi, Rachael, Welcome to the club that nobody wants to belong.  This forum has been so helpful.  I did Chemo first, so every treatment is different. I did not wear wigs. I used something called a buff. I think the ideas everyone gave were good ones. I do not have any to add. Best of luck on your treatments. From a another Sloucher here.  SharonH

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited December 2011

    I started chemo about 2-1/2 weeks after BMX.  I was healing really well, otherwise it might have been a little longer.

    I think people are giving you good advice, but I think this is REALLY important:

    Call your doctor if you have awful side effects during chemo!  Don't stay home and think you are just supposed to be suffering horribly if that's what happens.  I had about the worst time with chemo that is possible, but I got through.  I wish I had called right away when I was so, so nauseated - not that I ever got rid of it completely but I didn't have to suffer as much for as long as I did. 

    My kids, 2 and not quite 3-1/2 when I was diagnosed, were told limited truth in plain language.  We read lots of the kids' mom-has-cancer books to them and let them ask questions, which worked really well.  Letting the books explain it (my kids love books) was really key for us.  The 2 year old didn't care until recently.  The 3-1/2 year old was very upset by the ordeal, I think mainly by my ups and downs and in and out of beds.  We don't lay the death thing on them at all, but she did put 2 and 2 together and start asking, so I've been truthful but hopeful with her. 

    It's hard, I don't think there's a way to spare them from stress with it, but having other loving people in their lives does help.  And things improved so much for us after we got past active treatment. 

    I am sending lots of good thoughts your way.

  • Mimidi
    Mimidi Member Posts: 231
    edited December 2011

    Ourfield is right about letting you oncologist know about any problems you have during chemo.  My hands and arms got scaly like a fish.  I thought it was just the chemo killing my skin cancers.  No.  I went in for a regular appointment.  When the nurse saw my hands I was told I was having an allergic reaction to the carrier of texotere.  I was immediatly taken off of texotere and started another treatment a couple of weeks later  I took the meds for nausea given to me and had no problem in this area.

    Lost my hair with three weeks of starting chemo.  Wore a wig for a short time and changed to a baseball cap.  Hated the wig.  When I started radiation in July I stopped wearing the baseball cap and went natural.  I now have a nice head of hair even though it is a bit shorter than I like.  But the good news here is that it is growing.

  • melster
    melster Member Posts: 96
    edited December 2011

    There is a fabulous book called "Nowhere Hair" fr your children.

  • diana50
    diana50 Member Posts: 2,134
    edited December 2011

    ask questions; make relationships with the people taking care of you...chemo nurses...etc  i got my treatment in a rather small onc group but still had to deal with a large medical center. 

    be your own advocate in the health care system.  i always wanted to know my blood work; results of scans...etc.  understand what is going on in your treatment and body.

  • quiche
    quiche Member Posts: 262
    edited December 2011

    Hi Rachel, I have an excel doc I put together as I was going through my treatment outlining what helped me during each phase. As noted, everyone is sooooo different throughout this process, so your SE's and experience will be much different than anyone else's, but it doesn't hurt to be prepared. I can't figure out how to attach a file, but if you want to PM me with your email address I'd be happy to send it your way.

    Also, there is usually a chemo group that starts each month on the chemo thread. Tons of info and support there.

    I wish you well. I think you'll find bc.org to be one of your best resources. I always considered this group a part of my medical team. I got better info here than anywhere.

  • MaxineO
    MaxineO Member Posts: 555
    edited December 2011

    Rachel

    Just a couple of things I would add. My kids were 7 & 8 at diagnosis. We used straightforward language (including cancer) but assured them I was going to do my best to be okay.  We called chemo "yucky medicine" and told them that sometimes I wouldn't feel good and that was okay, it was the medicine.   They were most worried about me losing my hair!

    Also, I started chemo 1 month after surgery.

    Best of luck to you. We are here to lend you support whenever you need it.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited December 2011

    Hi RachelsLife,

    Here's some helpful info for you from the main Breastcancer.org site on Talking to Your Family about Breast Cancer, including how to talk to your kids.

    Also, there's a thread in the Chemotherapy forum called Tips for Getting Through Chemotherapy and another called More Tips (and a Shopping List) that may be helpful. There's also a December 2011 Chemotherapy thread you may be interested in joining.

    Hope this helps and good luck!

    --Your Mods

  • YATCOMW
    YATCOMW Member Posts: 664
    edited December 2011

    I had a child that I thought could handle the "cancer" word and others that I said I had a "bug" in me and the doctor was going to poison it.  I actually had chemo in a pouch that was given over several days and they loved that it was called "the red devil"......

    I also told them that laughter killed the bug...and it was their job to help.  Once the dog did someting silly and I laughed and the kids said "even the dog is killing is the bug".  Children are resilient.

    My younger children were more scared of me not having hair than anything else.....I kept my wig on 24/7 to help with that.....altho at Halloween they wanted me to answer the door without it.

    Jacqueline

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited December 2011

    Hey Rachel, the other ladies have given you so much info already but I just wanted to say welcome and let you know we're here for you.  This site and the "III gals" were my sanity during some low days and I hope you find the same support here.  As for the chemo timeline, I did neoadj. chemo but I'm sure they might be letting your counts recover a bit from surgery before they start.  It seemed like forever in between tx's to me but looking back it wasn't, I am very impatient also.  I have 2 small children (4 & 18 mths at dx) now 5 & 3)  my girls did ok, the oldest didn't like me without hair and told me once I would scare people at Target :)  I wore a scarf most of the time and a wig in Target :)  The meds they give you after chemo will help with most SE's so I didn't need anything they didn't give me already.  I did have quick meals (things my hubby could prepare for him & the girls) on hand if I was feeling lazy that night :)  We talked open about it with my girls and I even offered to let my oldest cut/shave my hair so it wouldn't be so scarey for her, tried to make it a game but she wasn't feeling it.  Your older one's might love that though and see you're ok with it all.  I explained to them I had to take meds that were going to make the cancer go away but it was going to make my hair fall out too & showed them pics online of bald women too to get them prepared.  I lost my taste during chemo but could taste salt somedays so soups and ramen noodles (not so healthy I know) became my fav's.  You feel achey, flu like so those comfort foods helped me some.  It will get better and we're here for you, let us know how things go.

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited December 2011

    Rachel.....It is important to let your onc know about any side effects....I had a bout of diarrhea after first chemo....chemo nurse told me to take immodium.....onc said NO.....I was loosing weight and onc wanted  me to drink boost...told him no, but I would drink smoothes.....I ate whatever appealed to me...figured calories were more important than what...smells bothered me.....take whatever antinausea meds they Rx for you....drink lots and lots of water......My DH got me out walking...even if it was just to the end of the driveway and back.....Listen to your body....do as much as your body let you, but don't over do it....We were very lucky....we had people cook meals for us the day of chemo and following week...DH helped with lots in the house....friends had daughter for play dates....I worked through chemo....did as much as I could to keep normalcy in my life...All my kids came with me to chemo at least once...(their choice more than mine)......Wishing you an easy time through this journey.....

  • SharonMH
    SharonMH Member Posts: 353
    edited December 2011

    Hi, Just reading about the hair thing. My 5 year old granddaughter just loved my bald head. I would be on the floor with her and she would run up and grab  the "buff" off my head and run and hide it. SharonH

  • RachelsLife
    RachelsLife Member Posts: 16
    edited December 2011

    Sorry for the silence - I took a couple of days off my crazy webbing around and computer time so I could spend some quality time with the family...

     I really appreciate the stories and suggestions - I've ordered the recommended books (I'll have a whole library by the time this is over!), and I like the way many of you have worded your explanations to your children. This is going to be a tough road, but I'll be much happier if I can keep most of the pain/fear from my kids (while not trying to hide what is going on)!!

    Thanks again,

    Rachel

  • clariceak
    clariceak Member Posts: 752
    edited December 2011

    Welcome Rachel.  You've received wonderful advice and this group will be your lifeline during treatment.  We all understand your worries and many of us had young children when we started treatment.  I think this has already been mentioned, but steroids can wrack havoc with your moods.  I thought it was one of the worst parts of chemo.  It sent me into such a dark place, that I begged my onc to lower my dose and she agreed.

    One of the best pieces of advice I received (from a school counselor) was let your kids guide how much information you give them.  They will only ask for what they can handle.  I told my kids that the chemo would make be very sick before it made me better, but they never asked if I was going to die.  

    There is usually a starting chemo group for each month of the year, although I always felt more comfortable sticking with the awesome group of Stage III ladies.

  • Mimidi
    Mimidi Member Posts: 231
    edited December 2011

    Clariceak "a dark place" is the word.  My family and friends could not really understand when I told them that "I was in a dark place and did not know how to get out".  Went with DH to see his doctor and the nurse asked how I was doing and I told her. She for me to call my oncologist and get my medicine changed. 

    I found myself in my 'dark place' when I started radiation and it got worse when I started taking arimidex.  I feel that I spent the entire summer and most of the fall in the bed.  Since being changed to femara I feel so much better.  I am actually enjoying things in my life again.

    Got results of blood work and mammo.  Everything is good. NED.  Now the wait until the next tests. 

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