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  • inthemoment
    inthemoment Member Posts: 538
    edited November 2011

    Helen and Judy - Hope you enjoyed the "virtual" turkey and all the sides - Kevin and I really enjoyed having you. (I hope no one else reads this or they will have me committed!)

    Lena - I'm so glad to hear for you, and so happy, as Titan said, that you have Pack Rat with you.  I will say a prayer tonight that you feel less ill tomorrow and that you feel the love being sent your way.

    Geri

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited November 2011

    Geri! Was it nice to not have to cook?  I have to admit I was freaking (there you go Betsy)..but everything turned out well...I got up at 6:00 am to put that danged turkey in the oven and it was DONE at 10:30..Yikes..we weren't eating until noonish! so anyway..turned the oven way down..basted the dang thing and had a glass of wine...I think that helped.

    My son and I just got back from some black Thursday shopping ....OMG..not sure if I will do that again...I think another glass of wine is in order...

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited November 2011

    Lena, thanks for coming by, I hope that you feel better tomorrow and glad that you have your PR with you.

    Geri, thanks for dinner, was lovely! LOL! Titan, glad dinner went well, a glass of wine always helps! I remember the Black Friday shopping, very crazy out there! But sometimes worth it. Really nice that both families were able to celebrate together.

    Helen and Amy, hope you are both doing ok. Betsy, hope you managed to enjoy the Holiday.

    Have a good weekend everyone, hugs, Judy x

  • inthemoment
    inthemoment Member Posts: 538
    edited November 2011

    Lena - are you feeling any better?

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited November 2011

    I had a very nice Thanksgiving with lots of family.  

    But something strange happened last week. I had to go to a new client that was sort of in the vicinity of the onc's office where I got my final few chemos.  I started driving, put on some music, forgot where I was going, and automatically drove straight to the chemo place! I caught myself before I got all the way there, but it was the strangest feeling. Like my brain just drove there on auto pilot.   It brought back all the feelings of what it was like to drive there to get treatment, which is something I rarely think about anymore.  I didn't like the memories one bit!  Corrected my course, went to the new client and the rest of the day passed without incident. But still......

    Lena - check in with us please. You are on our hearts all the time. 

  • Lena
    Lena Member Posts: 1,036
    edited November 2011

    Uhhhhh...OK, You all may think it's wonderful my Pack Rat moved in with me, but, do you know what that actually MEANS? It means I'm in the The Great Decline, as in, I'm dying. As in, the chemo didn't really work and he (logically) doesn't feel it's safe for me to be living by myself anymore and I have home hospice. Having him over for our visits to my nest for all our years -- THIS, and, THAT (having had him just move in 24/7, are NOT the same thing. Oh well, I guess we really were more unconventional than most anyone can possibly conceive of. So since he doesn't do forums and won't be in touch with this place, I was trying to tell you all "goodbye" because when I "go", you probably won't know, which means you gotta all cut the worry wart stuff, OK? As in, if if I'm well enough to be here to read or post, I will, but if I "disappear" for a long time it's better off for you to figure I'm dead and not call out for me than it is to feel or think any kind of positive. Hope that all makes sense. 

    Love you all, thanks for everything, and....don't do anything i wouldn't. LOL 

  • inthemoment
    inthemoment Member Posts: 538
    edited November 2011

    Lena, I'm so torn between "ok, this is your journey and you decide how it will end - no one here will know, we will just have to presume because we won't hear from you", or to be a bit selfish and say "Lena, please, ask Pack Rat to let us know in some manner if you die".  I hate even writing that, but Lena, you have always been one for the unvarnished truth, and that is what you are clearly telling us, that you are in the dying process.

    When you last wrote here, I did understand that having Pack Rat with you was not the same as when he visited, it was a necessity because things were not going in a good direction.  I believe what we meant in being glad he was with you, was that you were not alone and he was there with you.

    I am sending you my tel # in a P.M., and Lena, please ask Pack Rat, if he is not inclined to post anything on here, if he would call and just let us know - as you said you love us all...we love you Lena, and this would be a gift to us from you.

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited November 2011

    Amy, thanks for coming by. I hope you are ok after your driving incident last week. I completely get it, both how it happened and how you did not like it much. Good to hear that you enjoyed Thanksgiving.

    Today I went to hospital for an endoscopic ultrasound to check my pancreas (family history). All was ok, but I didn't like the experience much and I am still feeling a bit woozy from the stuff they used to put me out. Now, I just have the colonoscopy in January. The follow up here is quite different from the US.

    Lena, I don't know what to say. I agree with everything that Geri wrote and was happy to read that PR was with you to help you and that you are not alone. You are definitely in our hearts all the time. Sending you love.

    Betsy, how are you feeling today?

    Sending hugs to everyone, Judy x

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited November 2011

    Amy!...your driving incident sounds freaky!..For some reason your mind must have just flipped back to a couple of years ago...

    I still have to resist the urge to flip the cancer center off when I drive by (sorry if I offended anyone)..but it was my way of relieving my stress...my dh would say..they are helping you..why are you doing that?...I only did it once but it felt good..

    Lena...love you like a sister..(whether you like it or not)...laughed with you and cried with you too..won't cry now because it would probably piss you off.. but letting you know that I'm thinking about you...

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited November 2011

    Lena, I have to admit I'm at a loss for words. Let me just say that you are a very important part of our little group here. I have loved reading your posts and getting to know you. I feel that if we had lived close by each other, I would have loved to be your friend in real life....although this bc.org world has become part of my real life now. Please know that you are loved. If/when you get to a point when you can't communicate through this forum, is there a way your PR would be willing to email or to phone one of us? 

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited November 2011

    Lena - I too have been reflecting on our online relationship and how much it means to all of us. I know that many people IRL would not understand this at all, but I know that you do.  I know from what you have written that you have other online-only friends (in the SIMS world and other places) and those bonds are real and true and transcend physical presence.

    So you know that our connection with you is much more than words on a page and we have all become knitted into the fabric of one another's lives since 2009 when we all began this awful 'journey.'

    It is very hard for me to write the word 'dying' in regard to you, but I am trying to take my cues from your words, and if you are writing it, then I will too.   You are truly a unique and amazing woman - I have been enriched by knowing you and I know the others here agree.

    I wish you peace and comfort every day. I have great trust in the hospice people and PR and am glad they are there to support you.  

    But I echo what Geri wrote above - please give us this gift of peace by letting us know what is happening once you stop posting.  I am going to email you my 'real' email address - perhaps PR can send a quick note of update if he doesn't want to post here. Or of course he can call Geri's # as well. But please consider using one of these avenues. As Geri said, it truly would be a gift from you to us.

    In my almost-three years on this board, I have seen many woman write the words "I hate this damn disease."  I never truly felt it as much as I do right now.

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited November 2011

    One more thing - last month when we were hiking in Shenandoah Nat'l Park, I promised to bring you all to the mountaintop with me.  Well, here I am at the summit of Sharp Top Mountain making the "L" sign for Lena, although for all the rest of you as well.

    Sorry the pic isn't great - Kevin was saying 'Hurry up and get down from there!"

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevin_mclaughlin/6419437597/in/photostream  

    Somebody tell me if the link works please!

    Love, Amy 

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited November 2011

    Amy, thank you for writing what I know I am feeling as well. The photo is amazing and the L is very clear. 

    Lena, I imagine you as part of our lives forever.  

  • Elizabeth1889
    Elizabeth1889 Member Posts: 1,036
    edited November 2011

    Lena, I just want you to know how much you have meant to me.  You and your posts have gotten me through some very bad times.  Thank you.  You will always remain in my heart.

  • steelrose
    steelrose Member Posts: 3,798
    edited November 2011

    LENA! Sorry to intrude on your group here but I sought you out today since you've been mostly absent from the Stage IV section of late. I miss you!!!! Always the "voice of dissent," as you like to say, strong and unconventional, but a sharp voice... the voice of TRUTH. i am sad beyond words that you have not been well. Please know that I'm thinking of you and I hope your Pack Rat is spoiling you rotten.

    Sending you love and wishing you better days... no false positives... only hope...

    Rose. 

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited November 2011

    Amy, the photo is great! What a view! And you look so good Cool!

    Lena, I think that what everyone has written here, really says it all. You have made a difference to all of us on this journey and you have a very special place in all of our hearts.

    Tighter hugs today...Judy xxx

  • BetsyBuzz
    BetsyBuzz Member Posts: 592
    edited November 2011

    Lena,

    Oh hopefully you will have the energy to check back in with us a few times more. All I can say, "when you see the light, go for it girl!" We shall miss you. You and PR remain in my thoughts.

    Remember "The needs of the many out weight the needs of the few, or the one." Have PR contact Geri if he is so inclined.

    Sending love,

    Betsy

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited November 2011

    So beautifully written Betsy. How are you feeling?

    Judy x

  • BetsyBuzz
    BetsyBuzz Member Posts: 592
    edited November 2011

    Judy,

    I've decided that since I'm a 1% er...I might as well "occupy" something...so my lazy boy chair is it. Oh...wait, it's the 99% that are the occupiers...well, if you can't beat them, I say join them. LOL. I am feeling better. One day I have energy, then next day I don't. Today I'm tired. But I guess that's to be expected since I'm only 2.5 weeks out from surgery.

    My biggest worry is that my thermal cuff will fail, but I'm trying not to think about it. It is why this type of hysterectomy takes longer to heal from. I think it's all that's holding me together where my cervix was removed. The onc said because of the heat, the tissue damage is greater than the surgical damage. Hence my 4 weeks off from work, and 12 wks of no sexFrown

    Hope you are feeling better, are you still tired?

    Hugs to all.

    Betsy

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited December 2011

    No sex for 12 weeks?  Lena wouldn't put up with that freaking *** now would she..

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited December 2011

    For some of us following bc, there has been zero (0) sex for a looooong time. 

  • BetsyBuzz
    BetsyBuzz Member Posts: 592
    edited December 2011

    Titan & Helen....an now we don't even get to hear about Lena's sexcapades. I had planned to live vicariously through her during my recovery. Cancer sucks!

  • BetsyBuzz
    BetsyBuzz Member Posts: 592
    edited December 2011

    Hi all,

    I told you I would tell you the story of what happened in the ER. Well, since I needed fluids they had to access my veins. When the nurse looked at my bruised hand (5 attempts) and wrist (1) she called for IV therapy. When the IV nurse came, she looked at me real close and was eyeing my wrist again. I said, you need to use lidocaine. She said no. I said in a low, serious voice "then you better be damn good, cause you only get one try". I think I scared the begebezes out of her, after she left my dh and sister said I channelled John Wayne and cracked up laughing. She called for the small vein specialist. When she came, she happened to be a little chatter box. I was in no mood to talk, I had a splitting headache, my stomach hurt and I was nauseated. Any woo..she asks me so what side was your breast cancer on? I said my right side, she says "WOW...three rightees in the room."  We were all in various stages, the first IV nurse just had her trans flap, the specialist had only part of her breast repair work done. She said after her mastectomy, she was going home to Korea to have further work done. She said they will keep her in the hospital for up to a week vs sending her home with drains in like the US does. My sister, who had her phone with her said she wanted to take our picture. Now remember, I feel like crap...eventually I said ok. She plans to send it to me and I will forward it on to the hospital. So instead of three amigos...we were the three rightees. Long story short, the specialist accessed my wrist without lidocaine and said if I had any further need for IV they needed to give me a pic-line. TG I just needed the one bag of fluid.

    Count-5 IV attempts in my hand, 2 in my wrist and three draws from my arm for one dang surgery. No wonder I'm traumatized when they say "lab work".

  • inthemoment
    inthemoment Member Posts: 538
    edited December 2011

    Oh Betsy, what a horror!  You keep those delicate veins plump with lots of hydration!  Glad you're feeling well enough to post the story though!

    I'm sad about Lena not being in touch - and Lena, if you're reading this , Yes I'm a worry wart and you'd better sign on and tell me off!Wink

    Here's Judy's ((((HUGS)))) to everyone.

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited December 2011

    Betsy, I do relate. Any time I have to have an IV or even just blood work I go into a panic mode. It is so difficult to be jabbed over and over again. I am also at a point where I say it like it is and if the technician won't listen then she/he doesn't get to touch me. 

    Lena, if you are reading, sending you lots of love 

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited December 2011

    Betsy - how awful.  But I did crack up with what you said to the nurse about getting one try. I remember I had  a black chemo nurse for a while and i asked her once if it was harder to access the veins on black people b/c it was harder to see the veins. She said yes, absolutely, and that she would get very nervous when she saw a black person come in without a port, and knew  she was going to have to stick them. I never thought the nurses got nervous but I guess they do.

    I have been totally needle-phobic my whole life - I'm not kidding. I can't even watch someone get a needle on TV! When I had to get all that bloodwork, every time before chemo was torture. Getting the MUGA scans was the worst because they would draw blood, mix it with the radioactive stuff and then have to PUT IT BACK!  So I worked with the cancer psychologist to get past it and learn to relax and distract myself.  When you are relaxed, it really does go much better. (Easier said than done, I know.)  I drink lots of water beforehand now, and if I remember to, I bring a big can of tomatoes or something heavy and hold it in my hand and do elbow-bend lifts over and over. It causes your veins to stick out and be easier to hit. I look a little crazy in the waiting room with my can of tomatoes, but who cares, right? (Try it next time!)  I've made a lot of progress with my lifetime phobia - the last time I had bloodwork, I could really see my progress.

    But that is just for quick draws of a few tubes of blood. Not sure how I would do with an IV or  anything more hard core.

    But I am GLAD you have it behind you now and can work on getting better!!! Kind of crazy how many women have bc isn't it?  You meet them everywhere.

    Love to all -
    Amy 

  • Lena
    Lena Member Posts: 1,036
    edited December 2011

    Amy you look like you BELONG on that mountain top. :-)

     

    NONE of you want to live vicariously through me, now, OK? HERE’S WHY.

     

    I cannot change my own frickin diaper all by myself, anymore, the skin mets smell, *I* smell (even when I come right out from the shower which I had to be helped into and out of and my own body (Oh no this can’t be MY body can it?!) is so ravaged and disgusting! EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! I don’t want anybody NEAR me anymore even and the thought of offering up this mess to anybody to have sex with makes me NAUSEATED, not excited or romantic even with the ascites bag off and when I’m not in pain. BLECCCCCCCCCCCH! I’m now “full time” in a hospital bed because I can no longer physically get in or out of of my real bed anymore. I really am a skeleton now too. I still feel better than when I was on the AIs believe it or not that’s about it.

     

    Betsy, next time just bite the damn nurse who won’t give you lidocaine and tell her you’re giving her rabies because you’re tired of being a tortured pincushioned lab rat. LOL ;-) . And also, I have always VEHEMENTLY DISAGREED with that “needs of the many” crock of bullshit too. I’m so glad you got through that nasty surgery.

     

     

    Steelrose. My final goodbye to the Stage IV area is in the (finally posting it) WW IV thread in there.

  • steelrose
    steelrose Member Posts: 3,798
    edited December 2011

    Lena...

    I hate goodbyes and refuse. Just know that by being your unique self you've made a huge difference in the way I view this mess of a mess. I may not be able to verbalize it just yet, but I'm gaining momentum... your words are certainly not lost on me.

    Love to all of you...

    Rose. 

  • JudyNaomi
    JudyNaomi Member Posts: 1,413
    edited December 2011

    Betsy - what a story! It would be good if things could just go smoothly, right? There is always something, large or small and sometimes, it is just enough already! Hope you are feeling ok today. Thinking about you!

    Lena, really pleased you came by, I am thinking about you alot! I am sending you, strength, positive thoughts, peace, anything really which may be helpful to you at the moment. Smile.

    I am doing ok, still tired alot, but this week has been ok. We got together with friends last night which was nice and we are having some very old friends over on Sat night which I am looking forward to. I don't think we do that enough.

    Titan, Amy, Geri, Helen and everyone - sending hugs and hope you all have a good weekend,

    Judy x

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited December 2011

    Lena..love you kiddo...read your post on the Stage 4 forum and you are spot on...I've never been too big on the "battle" thing either...I don't think cancer is something you can fight off..it just simply happens...it wasn't your fault or my fault.

    I just can't stand the fact that women are dying from this S*8..t every day despite all the fundraising and pink stuff...I'm sick of young children losing their mothers, I'm sick of women struck down in prime of their lives...I can't stand that we all freak out about every bump, lump, headache, ache or pain...I just hate that you, Lena, are going through this crap..I just hate, hate freaking cancer.

    Man Betsy..here we go again...glad you are getting a little bitchy though....maybe we all need a little Lena in us (and that is a compliment Lena).

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