November 2011 Rads

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  • Joan811
    Joan811 Member Posts: 2,672
    edited November 2011

    Nat- I had been wondering why the x-rays and also what would happen with weight loss.  You explained it.  I am hoping I'll have the R.O. visit and x-rays on the same day. 
    I start rads Monday, and I feel sooo much better since my head cold went away.  I know I can do it now....and after the first 3 weeks, I can take off sick time from my job whenever I need it.  I'm ready for a few weeks off from work.
    Suzanne, CONGRATS on finishing your rads!!!  So happy for you.
    Chrys, hang in there - that commute is tough.  I keep telling myself I can do anything for a short time, but why does it seem so long?
    I was out of town and had no computer for a few days - so I join in wishing a peaceful and happy Thanksgiving week end and holiday season to come.
    Hugs,

    Joan

  • nans
    nans Member Posts: 45
    edited November 2011

    Watchfuleye and Suzann24-nice to know you are both doing so well.  It's very encouraging for those of us who are just starting.  Prayers that you both are back to full health in time for Christmas.

    Good to know all of you are having the same Xray and RO vists I am.  I wondered about the quickness of the visits..maybe 5 minutes by my RO, quite a change from the half hour talks with my regular oncologist.  He seems willing to talk anytime so hopefully if I do have questions he'll hang out longer.

    I have to say this is the first time I'm glad I no longer have a breast after reading all your posts about peeling around your nipples!  That doesn't sound like any fun at all.  Hope that phase of all of your treatments go quickly.

    I didn't have an appointment Thursday or Friday.  My center had appointments last Sunday to make up for the missed time.  I was sorry to miss one of them and it looks like I will miss at least one more due to the Christmas holiday.  I was hoping to make it to a holiday celebration with my husband's family but it is a 6 hour drive.  I'm pretty sure that I won't be able to wear a bra by then too.  As it is now I'm wearing the surgical camisole from my mastectomy when I go out and very loose sweatshirts at home.  I'm not comfortable doing that in front of people other than my immediate family so looks like I'll have a nice quiet weekend at home.  At least I can go shirtless without fear of someone walking in on me,Wink 

    Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    'Not sure if I just have a stomach bug or if rads are making me feel nauseated. When my rad nurse did a teaching session in the beginning (I am on #12 now), she told me rads would not make me nauseated- If that is the case, why does she ask me every Monday if I am experiencing nausea! Have any of you had nausea as side effect? I am hoping it is a side effect of rads as it is very similar to the all day "morning sickness" I had when diagnosed with BC....

    Sher 

  • Natters
    Natters Member Posts: 361
    edited November 2011

    To those of you just starting - don't wait to apply your creams and lotions! My RO didn't tell me much in the beginning but I had read about it on here and started applying it 3-4 times a day right from Day 1. Now they're pleased my skin remains intact and tell me to keep itup. It's a pain to stop working every day to go do this, etc, but it may save you grief down the road.



    Sher- no nausea here (in fact, a lot of emotional overeating!)



    Nans- my RO visits are 5 min at most, sometimes more like 1 min. I feel like he only cares about skin SEs, nothing else. And they haven't given me anything except some samples of Aquaphor about 2 weeks in. I didn't have an appt Thur or Fri, either. And I couldn't come last Sunday BC we had an early Athanksgiving with my side of the family last weekend out of state. So only 3 days this week. The next 2 weeks will be my first full 5-days-of-rads weeks since I started *gulp*



    I'm doing this to keep my affected breast, but they seem to think the more breast you have, the more SEs from rads. But sometimes I feel like the breast is helping shield my bones and organs a little bit, too. I dunno if that's true. but sometimes I wish I had more meat on my bones when I go in for my zaps,to protect my bones and muscle and lungs and heart. They just seem so vulnerable and close to the surface. I never felt so vulnerable before.



  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    Natters - that is exactly the word I have been looking for to describe the way I feel everytime I have treatment: vulnerable. I can also relate to the 5 min. visit with my rad onc - he looks at the skin and then he is done. I used to asked health care profs a lot of questions - now I just want to get out of the office and discover information on my own. I have received far more information on this site and google, than I ever have from health profs. 

    Sher 

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    I googled "nauseau during bc radiation" and found some useful information and assurance that nausea can be a side effect. Ginger-based drinks/food are suggested on many sites for the nausea. My daughter works at a health food store- she brought me crystalized giniger - that, and gingerale seltzer are helping. 

    Sher 

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    I am so thankful for this site and thread. Today is one of those days when I only want to be with people who truly understand, so I am staying-in all day with pets, sweatpants, a good book and all of you. 

    Thanks!

    Sher 

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    Natters -I can also identify with the emotional eating - I worry if I gain weight and worry if I lose. I am weighed every Mon. So far, after 11 treatments, I have kept my wt. the same, except for the ounces. I get scolded by the rad nurse if I even lose 2 oz. As Mon. approaches, I feel like a child who is trying to trick a parent (lol). I lost a pound this week and cannot eat much today, so I will drink a lot of tea and water in the a.m. so my weight will be up for the weigh-in. (I skipped desert, bread and egg nog on Tgiving so I would not gain a few ounces!) What a pain....

    Sher 

  • Natters
    Natters Member Posts: 361
    edited November 2011

    Sher, I have given myself "permission" to eat whatever I want right now, and consequently I have been steadily gaining weight, maybe a pound or so every week. I ate a very restricted diet from March-August of this year, to be more competitive in my sport, so I feel like letting go now a bit. And they haven't yelled at me about it or anything at rads, so I figure they will make the necessary adjustments as we go along. I may stop the overeating soon, though, because I don't want to have to lose too much before the tryouts associated with my sport next Spring. But right now, I'm trying to indulge myself, eat the stuff I normally have to turn down, and enjoy the downtime snuggling pets and wearing PJs and watching TV and movies.

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    Thanks for sharing, Natters. We have definitely earned "permission" to allow ourselves to do a lot of things we enjoy. I definitely am today - I just awoke from a long nap, surrounded by three of my kitties. I believe i will crawl back in under the quilts with them now. 

    Sher 

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    Still have the darn nausea - I will tell the rad onc nurse, even though she will fluff it off. I lost two pounds since last Monday and I am not going to stress about being weighed today. The rad nurse can scold me all she wants - I was simply too ill to eat a lot. I have enough stress in my life without being concerned that the rad people will scold me - They threaten to send people for nutrition counseling if they lose wt. - I have read plenty about nutrition and do not want to sit through another "teaching session" about anything related to cancer! (sorry about the rant - Mondays are my tough day - I am going to have a good day in spite of it all - I wish the same to each of you.) Sometimes I have to remind myself that I am a "paying customer" for treatment and that I am in charge of my body. I believe those two facts deem that I not be scolded like a child by the med profs at rads. (My chemo team and surgeon were great - radiation is just an assembly line).

    Sher 

  • kdajay
    kdajay Member Posts: 90
    edited November 2011

    Anandagram - Sorry to hear about your nausea and hope it subsides soon. You can rant all you want. I totally understand not wanting to be 'taught' any more about cancer. In fact, I just told my husband last night that I am tired of all the cancer stuff on the TV right now (October was Breast Cancer month and the news did a report every night...they haven't stopped all through November). I am tired of it too!

    I also agree with the posts that the RO seems more like an assembly line. At my site, the technicians are always changing. Every day it seems that someone different is there and that bothers me a lot. I would think each technician's technique would be a little different and that it would be important to have the same tech all the time, but I guess that is not how it works.

    We will get through this ladies! We will support each other and cry together and vent and next year it will be a memory. Only 10 more treatments for me and I WILL get through this!

  • Chrys23
    Chrys23 Member Posts: 291
    edited November 2011

    Anandagram - I had nausea and dizziness the other day. Actually felt 'off' on my way to RADS but once I got off the table, I was sick and had water rushing to my mouth like I was going to vomit. Spent an hour at the clinic in RADS to rest, and get some Zofran because I had another appointment upstairs at 9am in another part of the center. I don't know if it is was a fluke or a bug or rads.

    I also feel vulnerable on the table with my breast and belly exposed -- it's cold and it's just unsettling. I don't care what anyone says, I think RADS is almost emotionally taxing as the chemo; but just in a different way. It's emotionally and physically exhausting (well, at least for me w/an hour drive and going to work).  

    Today was #18.  December 14th (last treatment) can't come soon enough..... I wish they had weekend appointments so that I could finish faster! But my center starts at 6am and goes all the way up until 9pm for treatment. I guess they need the weekends off LOL

  • Natters
    Natters Member Posts: 361
    edited November 2011

    Chrys, your center has awesome hours! Mine is only 7:30am until 4:15pm. It's not really convenient with a work schedule, but luckily they are very understanding where I work. I often feel cold there (never get the Tamoxifen hot flashes when I NEED them hehe) so I bring a hoodie and I only take it off right before I get onto the table. They never offer me warm blankets but my friend at another hospital always used to get them, so maybe they have them at your rads center? You could ask for them today or tomorrow. 

    I don't worry so much about having my belly exposed, but I feel like my poor little ribs and muscles must be getting damaged a bit, not to mention those squishy little organs underneath. I mean, they are just not that far away from my breast not to be getting exposed. One of my techs did mention they were getting a certain amount of my lung, which is the most info I've gotten out of anyone there, since my RO won't tell me anything.

    I might see our nutritionist tomorrow because one of my paddling friends is sending me some drink full of anti-oxidants, and I wasn't sure if we were supposed to be eating and drinking anything like that right now. I asked the nurse and she said that she had no idea but that she would email their nutritionist and have her talk to me on Tuesday. I definitely don't need nutrition counseling - I have gained at least 10 lbs since my surgery in August (and that's a lot on me, at barely 5'4 with small/med frame).

    Nat 

  • Elizabeth1889
    Elizabeth1889 Member Posts: 1,036
    edited November 2011

    Anandagram, I agree with you about rads being an assembly line.  I finished rads at the end of August and it was far and away the worst part of my treatment.  Surgery and chemo were fine because the doctors and nurses were so caring.  The RO and his nurse made me feel like I was invisible.  The techs were good, but I had many different ones. I, too, would have preferred the same pair each day.  The worst days were when I had two male techs without another woman being in the room.  The male techs were very professional, but it made me feel uncomfortable.  Anyway, while rads is definitely not "a walk in the park," eventually it does end.  The support on this board helped me so much.

  • Natters
    Natters Member Posts: 361
    edited November 2011

    Oh no - I just realized I forgot my ipod and today is probably a Picture Day for me. A longer appt because of the Xrays they take first, ugh. At my center, there is no music, only the sound of the machines for company once the techs leave me alone in there. And it's totally an assembly line!

    grumpy Nat 

  • ptdreamers
    ptdreamers Member Posts: 1,080
    edited November 2011

    Chrys23 Ask the techs for a warm blanket. I teased mine about other ladies in forum getting warm blankets and they said sure we have them. Now they automatically reach for one as I come in. Also after I'm on the table and have slipped my arm out of the gown they check the positioning and put the gown over so I'm not exposed during the rads. Radiation will go right through the cloth so as long as they are checking your position I would think it would be all right to request they recover you. Fatique seems to be setting in. I have an hour drive each way and by the time I get home I am dragging a bit. Hope everyone's week goes well

  • MrsMot
    MrsMot Member Posts: 90
    edited November 2011

    My first rad is tomorrow.  The RO has not told me anything about creams or lotions to put on.  Will 100% aloe do the trick? What other products work? Is RO suppose to give me a prescription?

    Sher - I have been suffering from nausea too.  However, I think mine is the chemo still in my body as I haven't started rads yet.  I have not heard that rads cause nausea....hoping that is true.   Hang in there sweetie!  I have a bunch of compazine which I take almost after every meal (which has been reduced due to my lack of hunger).  I gained too much weight on chemo...so I am hoping to loose!

    My PET scan is Friday.  Soon I will know if my cancer has spread.  Praying it has not and its just a big nothing.  This wait is just like the three days of hell waiting for the results of my needle biopsy.  If you all can spare a prayer for me...would appreciate it.  I really don't want anymore cancer... OK deep breath...it will work out....

    Have a great week without SE's ladies!!! xoxo

  • MrsMot
    MrsMot Member Posts: 90
    edited November 2011

    My favorite quote

     "You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have."(unknown author)

    Had to share that...and keep telling myself that!

    ((Hugs to all))

  • Mandalala
    Mandalala Member Posts: 162
    edited November 2011

    Anandagram, that's too bad, being scolded by the crew at the hospital! Scold them back ... if you can with nausea, of course. Hope you will feel better soon. 

  • Natters
    Natters Member Posts: 361
    edited November 2011

    MrsMot - thinking of you and yet another scary wait. My friend just got a clear PET scan result and we have been celebrating ever since. here's hoping you are celebrating soon, too! I think 100% aloe (without any alcohol in it) is often recommended and if I were you, I would start slathering it on 3-4 times a day NOW. I found it helpful to ask the techs where they were radiating me, the "borders of my field," so that I knew where to apply the lotions. 

    Joan - how was your first day? Did you recognize any of the techs? I hope your breathing was Ok during the wait and hold still times. The first appt is often a lot longer than the rest. It should go faster from here on out.

    ptdreamers - be careful driving home tired! That sounds a little dangerous. I dunno how you ladies with the longer commutes are doing it. Can somebody drive you, if the fatigue gets a lot worse? I know it's a lot to ask of people during the work day...

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    Thanks so much for all of your support! I was not scolded today for losing weight as I took the upper hand before being weighed, by telling the rad nurse that I had been ill all weekend, had lost weight and would gain it back. I did not have the same nurse I have always had - she just said, "ok", and shrugged her shoulders. I agree with what many of you have expressed, the continuous rotation of techs and nurses is unsettling - we can do it, though, and we will! 

    Sher 

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    MsMot - You will definitely be in my thoughts - NO MORE CANCER for any of us!


    Thanks for the awesome quote! 

    Sher  

  • ptdreamers
    ptdreamers Member Posts: 1,080
    edited November 2011

    The lady who comes after me is ten treatments ahead of me. She is getting badly burned but is hesitant to use more than the Aquaphor and hydrocortisone cream. They gave her Silvadene cream to use but she says she doesn't know how to remove it before radiation so she doesn't use it. Since I'm not that far I don't have any suggestions. Does anyone else have some ideas I can pass on to her. I hate to see  anyone suffer needlessly. Thanks!

  • nans
    nans Member Posts: 45
    edited November 2011

    Mrs. Mott-Just said a prayer for you for a clean PET scan.  The waiting is often the worst part.  As for your first RO my treatment center suggested 100% Aloe or Aquaphor both of which you can get over the counter at drug stores or health food/care stores.  My nurse said she felt the Aquaphor was best.  It's messy, like Vicks vapor rub without the smell, so get some nice soft shirts a little bit big.  I've been wearing mine without a bra at home so they get a little stained from the Aquaphor. I had my tech mark on me where the rads would hit when they did the positioning appointment. That gave me an idea of where to use the cream.

    Anadagram-glad your nurse didn't give you a hard time.  I like the idea of us being consumers expecting to be treated as valued customers not like children.  Don't let them make you feel like you don't deserve to be treated as such!

    Not looking forward to having my first full week of treatment this week.  I was feeling almost normal on Sunday after having 4 days off.  I do feel lucky to have my center so close only a 20 minute drive.  I've been getting there early the last few times since parking isn't always easy to find.  They've been able to get me in and out again before my appointment actually takes place.  I can't say the staff is as warm and fuzzy as the chemo team, but my technicians are the same each time and friendly.

    Is anyone having muscle pain or joint pain?  I asked my RO about it today.  My shoulder hurts quite a bit on the side I'm having treated.  He says the weekly XRays show the rads aren't hitting my shoulder.  I know the chemo has affected my joints.  They pop and crack now like never before. 

    Hope everyone has a great week.

  • Natters
    Natters Member Posts: 361
    edited November 2011

    NAns, I'm having some muscle pain on that side and I haven't been doing any upper body workouts so I'm going to blame that on rads. 3 more weeks to go*sigh*. Getting anew area that looks more irritated than before and "angry," if that makes sense. Right now with 4 more tx ahead of me this week, I'm going to vote it "most likely to blister or open up." but here's hoping i make it to the next weekend intact! My skin is also crazy itchy at times.

  • kdajay
    kdajay Member Posts: 90
    edited November 2011

    nans - I hope that your first treatment back was non-eventful. Returning to treatment after four days off was a hard one for sure. Yes, I also have been experiencing joint and muscle pain but have attributed it to chemo. When I stand up from a chair after sitting for a while, it is difficult to get moving...I have aged so much during this treatment.

    ptdreamers -  one of the products my RO suggested is Johnsons Natural Baby Wash. It comes out as a foam that pretty much turns to nothing as you use it and rinses very easily. I have been using it on my burned areas and it seems to work okay. With that said, I wonder if a baby bath wipe kind of product would work for this person. Also, at my RO office last night, they gave me a box of gel sheets to use for my burns. I can't remember the name right now but they have a red plastic you peel off and place the gel side to the burn. These seem to be working really well so far (have had it on since last night). The gel doesn't really come off on your skin but it is supposed to create a moist, healing condition for 1st and 2nd degree burns...in fact, it reminds me of the feel of those gel toys kids have that can be slapped up on the wall and stick or picks up paper. Perhaps she can ask if they have a product like that available.

  • ptdreamers
    ptdreamers Member Posts: 1,080
    edited November 2011

    kdajay, Thanks so much for your suggestions. I will pass them on to her.

     Last night I was in bed by 9PM really wiped out. I usually go to bed about 11.

    nans, I am also having joint pains. Guess the rads really do a number on your body. After all the stuff evveryone has to endure let's hope we all get good results and a long future to look forward to.

  • Mandalala
    Mandalala Member Posts: 162
    edited November 2011

    I have muscle/joint pain on the radiated side, too, and no chemo or other meds to blame it on – it's definitely radiation. Stretching helps a lot. I guess hydration would help too, but I keep forgetting it.

  • MrsMot
    MrsMot Member Posts: 90
    edited November 2011

    Thank you all for your kind encouraging words and your prayers.  I am feeling better about it.  Can't worry till there is something to worry about.  Gotta live each day.  I did get the aloe - only I could not find 100%...only 99%..haha.  I will bring that today and see if the nurses/techs think its good.  I did get the Aquaphor.  Thanks for all your advice!  Laughing

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