December 2011 Surgeries - want to wait together?
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mskassie- So sorry you have to be here but welcome to the December surgery thread. It is really a tough decision but a personal one. I chose to have BMX when my BRCA2 came back positive because I did not want to do this again.I also felt reconstruction would be easier if I did them both at the same time. They did find atypical precancerous tissue in my good breast as well as in my cancer breast outside of the clear margins from the lumpectomy I had already had before the genetic testing. So I am thankful that I did both at once and am reducing my risk of reoccurence as much as I can. I did not need to have radiation or chemo and am very thankful for that as well. I am scheduled to have my ovaries and fallopian tubes out next week. Good luck with your decision making...just keep breathing and you will get through it.
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Set up all my pre-op appointments. Start tomorrow at 10:00 and continue on Wednesday before check in Thursday morning at 6:00 AM. PS says I will most likely be home on Sunday.
Teresa
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Hi Ladies - there may be a different thread on this topic, but I've noticed so many MX's versus lumpectomies, even for Stage 1! My BS just said you have a choice, lump/radiation or MX. Is it the radiation that everyone fears? She indicated there was no difference in long term survival, though I've heard a few %??
I'm still waiting for my December surgrey date, but because I need a breast reduction (no matter what!), I'm thinking I should perhaps go UMX/TE? with reduction on the other side. Why wasn't that offerred to me?? Ugh...not being able to get an appointment is one thing (still waiting for the schedulers to get back to me), not knowing what to do is another and I'm so far away from my hospital, it's not like I can run over there and discuss this with the BS or PS.
Still waiting for BRCA results - I know that might make the decision for me. Anyone just had that done?? How long?? They told me 7-14 days (they got my blood a week ago), but end of year health savings account people have added to the queue, so instead of doing 750 a month, they're doing more like 1000.
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I made the decision for a MX over lumpectomy for these reasons
1. Some of the cancer is located near to my chest wall as well as near to the front.
2. I did not fear radiation, however the PS said that after radiation reconstruction 'might' be more difficult.
3. The BS said that with a lumpectomy might have to go back for another lumpectomy or MX anyway. The MX at the outset seemed to make more sense - medically and emotionally.
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Thanks fitzdc - can I ask the grade and size of your tumor? I agree with you about the chest wall location. Mine "is deep", but in my case, there is still room around the tumor. My main concern is saving my life. My second concern is not having to go in for a second, third or fourth surgery. My second to last concern is doing a breast reduction then losing weight in my breasts (I need to lose weight, and I lose big in the breasts!) and then having to have implants in a radiated breast. Lastly, I am a bit concerned about radiation itself, like will it damage my heart or lungs?
I do have a concern about not getting clean margins after doing the reduction, also.
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I'm right there with you. Surgery on the 16th. I'm still crawling out of the chemo cave but each week has been a bit better. We went to FL for the Thanksgiving holiday and sat on the beach with the kids. It was a much needed break (since breast cancer robbed us of our summer). I feel stronger now moving forwards. We are simplying this holiday-putting up 1/3 the decorations. It's so nice. So much less stressful. I wonder why we do that to ourselves? Stress over the holidays? Not worth it!
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Ginger - since you had the BMX already can I ask how was your recovery in terms of being able to use your arms? I worry about being extremely limited for daily living things (ie - bathroom stuff).
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The first couple of weeks were tough to use my arms. The first week my husband helped me in the shower but the second week I was more independent. We had a detachable shower head which helped a lot.I could not lift my elbows higher than my shoulder for a few weeks and my arms felt like lead. I was able to use the toilet and wipe by myself right from the beginning. I had 4 drains and the last two were taken out at 2 weeks. Each experience can be different and each PS has different rules for movement, shower etc. I am happy to answer any more questions you might have.
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When I was diagnosed in 2005, my surgeon pushed for a lumpectomy with radiation since the tumor was small, 1cm, and my breast were large. Well everything went fine, but my breast did not heal well. I had lots of hard lumps that formed after radiation. This had me always going back for follow up mammos and biopsies. On top of that, they were uncomfortable. When I was needing yet another biopsy in July, they couldn't even get to the area because of all the lumps, so I had a MX. With what I know now, if I had it to do over again, I would have gotten the MX and skipped the radiation. I am opting for a MX on my good side after atypia precancerous cells were found in my left. I do not want to go through all this again. On the plus side, I will get a tummy tuck and smaller breast! Can't wait to go shopping for new clothes! Hope this helps you, as everyone has said, it is a very personal decision and only you know how you will handle the loss of your breasts. Praying for you.
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laurie - what were the lumps?? Scar tissue from the radiation? From my research (though my PS failed to tell me this during the consult), they do a breast reduction partly because radiation is difficult with large breasts. I guess most women who are large are so exciting about the "free" breast reduction they don't ask why and maybe the PS didn't bother explaining for that reason. Do you think that might have been the cause of your radiation issues?
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When they did a biopsy on one of the lumps 6 months after radiation, it was blue......left over dye from the sentinal node thing. Guess the radiation cooked it! Some of the lumps were scar tissue, don't really know. Really glad to get rid of them though. Even though the PS said that that probably wouldn't happen to my other breast if I had it reduced, I just didn't want to take the chance.
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Kam170 - I'd never heard about getting a reduction to help with radiation. I'm a G cup and was going to have radiation until I landed in MX land. But now, with the MX on one side the recon. will be smaller, at my request, and with stage 2 of recon. I'll get a lift and reduction on the other side to match. I joke that I'm finally becoming a true Los Angeleno (born and raised here), getting a boob job and a tummy tuck (DIEP). Ha! Took BC to do it to me.
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mskassie,
My situation is a little different but I understand what you're going through. I was dx with DCIS and IDC in my left breast. According to the mammo, the right breast was 'normal'. My BS wanted an MRI to make sure the right was really ok and to assess the left better. I don't have any family hx of breast ca and there was concern because of the extensive area in the left. Well, the MRI showed some abnormal uptake in the right. I had an ultrasound of the right and there were a couple areas of suspicion. The radiologist would have done a bx right then but the areas were too small and she didn't want to poke around. Very happy for that! She did recommend a bx under MRI. After talking with my BS, I decided I didn't want another bx, that I would have a bmx.
I just had my genetic testing done today and won't know the reults until after surgery. Personally, I couldn't live with the black cloud hanging over my head forever. Never knowing and always wondering if it's coming back.My BS said that provided the lymph nodes come back neg, I won't need chemo, just hormone therapy. Everybody's dx is different and their treatment is different. research, get all the info you can and then go with your gut.
As far as getting answers until it's done, I think that is partially true. In my case, I won't know if there is lymph node involvement until surgery but from the MRI my doc doesn't believe there is. She hasn't ordered a PET scan and wouldn't until the final pathology report is available.
Talk with your doc. Make a list of all your questions. I did. Like I said, your gut will tell you what the best thing is for you. Positive thoughts and prayers to you!
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I'm schedule for a mastectomy December 27th.
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Hi all
You can add me to the list - bilateral mast without reconstruction on 8th December. This is following my second diagnosis of TN breast cancer within two years. First diagnosed 8th Sep 2009. Had neoadjuvant chemo but stopped after four cycles as tumour didn't respond. My tumour was removed using WLE on 4th Jan 2010 then had rads. Now the cancer is back in my left breast this time and was diagnosed with that on 17th Oct 2011. They will not know the extent of the cancer until my breasts are removed as the new cancer does not show up on mammograms (I felt a new lump in August). Anyway, just waiting for the surgery and I am feeling a bit apprehensive. Good to hang out with you all X
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Hi Ladies,
I have had both lumpectomy and BMX and they are doable surgeries. I am now 3 weeks out from the skin sparing BMX with hip flap recon (I still have surgical tubes in) but I feel better every day. I remember when I woke up in the hospital I had this little pain button to push and it was great. Then they moved me to Percocet, gave me a bottle to take home when I left the hospital, but I never used it. I really didn't have much pain, just discomfort and awkwardness with the pads and binders they put you in. One thing: take a stool softener the day before your surgery--since you can't eat or drink anything that morning, you wanna make sure everything is out of your body. Another thing--I got really sick from the anesthesia after my lumpectomy, so at the BMX the doctor put a patch behind my ear, and said he would give me three medicines in the iv to hit all three receptors so I wouldn't get nauseous after surgery. Somewhere on these boards is a list of things to pack for the surgery. Also, for those of you nervous about BMX, I have no regrets. Hope this helps!
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Hi everyone,
I've done some neoadj. chemo (though I have to return to chemo post-surgery) and found my other discussion board so helpful. I am having BMX with immediate recon this Friday. I am getting anxious just typing it! I wish everyone the best of luck, and it's great to hear from those who have been through it and remind us that this part will one day be beyind us also.
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Thanks Ginger and Cookie for your info. Very helpful. Can you see my diagnosis info? Hope so. Ginger, I think because my BC is HER2+ and stage 3, they recomend radiation even after a mastectomy. I just assumed that was the normal course of treatment, but now I am questioning it. Hmmm.... Will ask my surgeon.
Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving!
countdown to my surgery - 9 days - buh bye boobie! Thanks for the mammaries
Michele
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Rainess- I think you are right about the Her2+ and also maybe because your tumor was so large they want to be sure they zap any tissue left behind? Good luck; I am sure you will do great!
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Hi Everyone!
I am having BMX with expanders on Dec 14th. I can't believe how fast this is all happening and yet, somehow time seems to stand still while I wait for the surgery. I found 2 lumps on Nov 7th. During my biospsy, 2 more were discovered. All are less than 2cm (the largest measuring in close to 2cm), but the surgeon said this is more concerning than if I had one large lump. I opted immediately to have a BMX to give myself the best chance because I am 37 and have 18 month old twin daughters. I am anxious to receive more information from the tests that will be performed on the tumors following the surgery. I am disappointed by the lack of information in the pathology report from my biopsy. No hormone receptor tests were done. Lymphatic invasion was identified so they will do a sentinel node biopsy as well. I've already been told I will likely need chemo regardless of the sentinel node biopsy results. I'm trying to limit those thoughts in my head which center around feeling sorry for myself, but I just can't help all of the questions, namely, how did I get here?
If anyone has recommendations for things to do following surgery to speed recovery, I would be grateful. I appreciate being able to read all of your posts. Its so nice to feel less alone in this.
Thanks! Kim
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KAM -you asked the size and I can't believe I don't have this memorized, but I don't. And today it seems I left my 'cancer binder' at the hospital (pre-op tests today). But, like Chrisilini I was diagnosed with DCIS and IDC. Multiple biopsies showed at least 5 locations of small tumor clusters. Thus a MX seemed better than a lumpoctomy.
Going back tomorrow for more pre-op testing....
Teresa
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kblack- I don't have any advice to give at this point since I haven't had my surgery yet, but I can relate to wanting to be aggressive, especially being young with young children. I just turned 34 and have a 6 month old and a 3 1/2 year old. I did some chemo before and have to return to chemo after. Though it's hard having young kids and going through this, plus the lifting restrictions, I am comforted that they won't remember this into the future.
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I'm having replacement surgery on December 5 w/ fat transfer lipo'd out of my flanks and abs. Keeping them very small...so I've had no saline stretches.
I, too opted for a double MX rather than single. I wanted a clean slate.
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looks like I go do my consult with the PS on Dec 5 and will probably schedule the surgery for sometime after Dec 14 [grad school term ends then] I'm going to Siteman Cancer Center in St Louis and my original docs that found the cancer sent the actual path slides to my new docs and it seems now my actual diagnosis is Invasive Mammary Carcinoma and the likelihood of having chemo after was "extremely high" that I will be having the chemo. [My doc can't tell me for sure on anything regarding my actual tumors/cancer until it's out and send to the lab,but I asked her "statistically speaking" what the likelihood would be.] So I was trying to be brave and take a step forward and got my hair cut short today [I've had very long hair, below shoulder blades long, my entire life] Well I was brave enough to do it, now it feels like I'm "mourning" the loss of my hair even though. I think I'm just nuts!
Given the diagnosis though and likelihood for needing chemo, I think a BMX would be the best route for me to go. But good lord, if I cried about cutting my hair, I'll be in a straight jacket cutting off my boobs!!! How do you do it? I know it's the best thing for me to do, but actually saying those words to the doctors and scheduling the surgery to have it done...I can't seem to get the words out. UGH!!!!!
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You can add me to the Dec 8th party---BMX, no recon. This is my 2nd BC (almost made it to 5 yrs), lump/chemo/rad/tamox the 1st time, hoping like crazy that this will do the trick.
It is sad that there are so many of us, but I am so glad to have this board to connect. It's good to know that I am not alone & I truly hope for the best for all of you. You are in my thoughts & prayers.
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We just keep growing and growing. Welcome to our recent additions, I can't even keep track of who's new anymore. The past two days have been super busy at work, just trying to stay ahead of the game so that I'm ready for final exams AND my upcoming surgery.
Just yesterday, one of the people who was set to teach two of my classes while I was out bailed on us, leaving us in a bit of a bind. What to do now. There are no good solutions anymore, only tolerable ones. I'm trying to not get angry with my colleagues, but it's not working. So much for being supported by your colleagues. The two gents who teach the same thing I teach and would have just added 1 or 2 more of the SAME THING!! have both opted not to cover for me because it would be too difficult for them and they don't want to have to do the extra work, for 4 f*&#ing weeks!! As I type this I get angrier and angrier. I can't believe how selfish they're being and how difficult they're making things all because they can't handle a bit of extra work for 18 days. Sheesh. And one of them has even gone through cancer treatment. I could just scream right now. So disappointing.
OK, I'll stop venting now.
We sent our first two of this list off to surgery today, KeepingFaity69 and anafoefana. Ladies, when you can, let us know how you're doing.
Teresa - good luck to you (just in case I don't make it on here tomorrow), sending hopes for a successful surgery and healing vibes.
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Gee that sucks about your work colleagues! but..... and I know it would be a real frustration for you - and so not needed right now - but (and I try to tell myself this when I'm in similar situations). The world will not stop revolving, nor will your workplace collapse with you not there. Let it be someone elses problem to deal with - but not yours. You need to just think of yourself... especially now Cookie. OK?
PS being in Australia, my surgery will be on the 8th December your time. I was going to ask to list me with the 8th gals, but on second thoughts, that's one day less and I'm not looking forward to this
Best of luck to everyone else here in our group.. yes, post when you can. Cheerio, Kate
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MS Kassie, you can get a lot of info on which surgery you want from these boards. As far as chemo, ask your new docs to do the Oncotype test once you have surgery--that will help determine your need for chemo. If you do opt for a BMX, it is really not like "cutting off your boobs." Nowadays, you may qualify for a skin-sparing or even nipple-sparing (they save your skin and/or nipple and just make an incision to take out the tissue underneath, then replace it either with implants or other body tissue harvested from another site like your belly or your back hips) MX which yields excellent cosmetic results. In my case I went to three PSs who all offered diff. procedures for recon, and then I made my choice.
I am sorry about your hair. I am facing a chemo decision soon too and I will do the same thing. VickyB
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mskassie,
You asked how do you do it? You just do it. I know that sounds so easy, it's not and I think everyone on here feels that way. My original dx was in the left breast only. So, I was only going to need a UMX. When the MRI showed suspicious areas in the right I broke down. I couldn't believe it. I just kept wondering and saying to myself WTF?. I try not to go down as I call it, the dark road. At my last visit with my PS I had a little breakdown before he came in. It just is too real as it gets closer. He asked if I wanted to resched, put off recon. He was very understanding and supportive. He did say to me, and it's something I try to remember when I feel I'm straying towards the dark road, that try to think about this process as something that needs to be done and once done I'll be stronger and have a better recovery for it. Easier said than done at times but I think for the most part I've been doing that. I'm still terrified and afraid that post surgery I'm going to hit a wall. But prior to I need to try to be as positive as I can. I have my moments. I cry and probably have a lot more crying to do. But I just take it one day at a time and enjoy the things, family, friends, faith, that I'll still have when my boobs are gone. You aren't nuts! You are human.
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Cookie... how unfortunate that your colleagues aren't being supportive. But as aussiekate wrote, let them worry about it. You have more important things to think about, getting well. I'm pretty lucky so far, my workplace has been very supportive. I'm wondering though how long it will last. I work in healthcare, 3rd shift, by myself. For my supervisor to cover my shift when I'm gone is sometimes like moving mountains. But, you know what, that's his issue to deal with, I have my own. And of course I was scheduled to work Christmas and New Year's which makes it even harder. Everyone has chipped in and my shifts are covered, not that it would have mattered to me if they weren't. My colleagues are being great and I hope it continues on this crazy journey.
Good wishes to you and try not to worry about work!
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