"Easy" part of treatment? MY A**!

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  • Megadotz
    Megadotz Member Posts: 302
    edited November 2011

    Sorry that you're having such a rough time.  My RO said that skin SEs are more severe for  an MX than a lumpectomy when I asked about  the difference.  -- A cousin diagnosed a few months after my DX had asked about my experience and I wanted not to mislead her.  With a lumpectomy they can use diffusers to minimize the skin effects since the treament area thicker. Check with the radiation nurses about what can be done to  mitigate the "radiation dermitis". That's the innocuous term for the burns.

    The coolmagic gel sheets can help a lot,  they also suggested an astringent for when things get oozy. Have they prescribed a cream to use?

    The nutritionist I saw during radiation said it's important to make sure to eat enough protein and to get enough water.

    Good luck.  As Robyn_S noted, it's not a treatment that can be repeated.  *hugs*

  • BlueCowgirl
    BlueCowgirl Member Posts: 667
    edited November 2011

    Banjobanjo,

    Remember also that you are reading a thread called "Easy" part of treatment? MY A**! There must be a reason this is generally considered the easy part by BC patients, doctors, nurses. Not everyone peels and blisters so badly, not everyone gets crippling fatigue, and certainly not everyone has a stinking explosive mastectomy scar. Here's hoping yours goes better than mine...sounds like you've been through enough already!

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited November 2011

    I started radiation almost a year ago, so I'm all done.  I didn't have the crippling fatigue but the burns were awful, and even more awful was knowing, every time I went in there, I was allowing more and more injury to myself, that one day would be the day from which I would never recover without scarring, one day would be the day my lung would take enough cumulative hit to show on a chest x-ray, and so on.  It was awful.  I had to keep telling myself why I was doing it, I flipped out a few times and couldn't get on the table.  But BlueCowgirl, like you I was diagnosed at Stage III and I really want to be around and really don't want a local recurrence more than I didn't want scarring.  Stilll, it's so awful if you know what it's doing to you.  I

    My rad onc was really good, we talked physics and tangents several times.  People burn differently not only based on skin color, but on body fatness/thickness, and how they're aiming the beams.  They need the dose to dump off where they think the cancer cells are most likely to be, so the specifics of the beam are going to vary with how much tissue there is there.  There are fields of radiation for Stage I lumpectomies that just aren't at all what they do to Stage III.  

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    Starbeauty - OMG - worse that Taxol, Red Devil and surgery???? I feel so badly for you. Taxol and Cytoxan were the very worst for me - I ended with Taxol 8/30 and now all my fingernails are pulling away from my nailbeds - I start rads Monday - I appreciate everyone's honesty as I know I am not getting the whole possible side-effects story from my rad team. At least my chemo team was up front about all that could happen. it just helped, somehow, to have a least heard about the side effects when many of them did occur. My rad onc told me the toughest part would be my long drive - I felt like asking him if he ever had rads???? Sorry -just dreading starting on Monday.

    Sher 

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    ....me again....IMHO, I used to feel that I was a very rational person - since this whole BC deal started, I am not so sure that is the case any longer. For example: The thought actually crossed my mind that I would cancel radiation and never go. I realize this is not rational thinking as "statiscally" I have a 40% chance of recurrance without rads. At 57, I would seriously consider not torturing my body any further, if it were not for my three young grandchildren, who see me every day and adore me, and my three loyal cats who never leave my side. I feel that I have to fight this mess to hopefully survive longer for them.....

    Sher 

  • BlueCowgirl
    BlueCowgirl Member Posts: 667
    edited November 2011

    Shirleta,

    If it makes you feel any better, I did prefer radiation to A/C T chemo! By a long shot! I guess my original point was that I thought from what I'd heard rads would be a walk in the park and it wasn't. But I still believe for *most* people, radiation is easier to tolerate than chemo.   

  • GG27
    GG27 Member Posts: 2,128
    edited November 2011

    My RO gave me the option of not doing the last 2 rads because I was so badly burned, but I decided that I would do everything that I could to make sure I survived.    The techs were surprised to see me those days as they were warned that I probably wouldn't bother with them.  BCG, you're right, we've all been lead to believe that rads is tolerated better than chemo.  I didn't know about the high protein thing, I wasn't eating much meat then, I ended up being anemic, I wonder if that had something to do with it. 

    Dee

  • BlueCowgirl
    BlueCowgirl Member Posts: 667
    edited November 2011

    Here's an idea. You know those pins that say "Kiss Me, I'm Irish" and in recent years "Hug Me, I'm Irish" (guess not everyone is so anxious to be kissed by a stranger any more?) Well, I want one that says "DON'T hug me, I'm radiation burned". I mean, I know that people mean the best when they haven't seen me in a while and want to give me a big bear hug, but really? Do they have no concept of what's going on under my clothing?

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited November 2011

    Ah, Cowgirl you hit the nail on the head - I still can't be hugged as I have PTSD from the rad burn days.  I am VERY protective of my right side.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    Hello all, this post is so true.  My RO sounded so positive about rads. Everything went well for me too up until about a week ago.  Thank God I have my last boost to the scar tomorrow because my armpit can't take it anymore.  I'm afraid to even look at it.  Chemo was a cakewalk compared to this.  I have aquaphor, silver sulfadiazine and percocet.  None of which seem to help.  It's not fun, but I remind myself that it's temporary and will hopefully be over soon. I hope everyone heals quickly from this. 

  • Robyn_S
    Robyn_S Member Posts: 197
    edited November 2011

    Hi ladies- another thing that is mentioned is that rads will increase chances of LE in radiated area- be aware of the complications of this and be very kind to your sore spots even when they seem fully healed over! I am typing this from a hospital bed as I developed the boob of death aka breast cellulitis. I had a bout of influenza(bad enough in itself) a week ago which can leave you susceptible to bacterial infections - my rad boob was just healed but it suddenly became swollen hit and inflamed and fever. The result is a week on iv abs and pain relief in hospital hopefully out by the weekend but just want the pain to go- all nerve ending not already angry are sending off zingers all the time. ahhh BC the gift that keeps on giving....

  • BlueCowgirl
    BlueCowgirl Member Posts: 667
    edited November 2011

    Hey Weesa...I think it's gonna blow!

    No smell yet...but it's so swollen, if it were to stay this way I wouldn't need my DIEP surgery. I don't think this is normal, right? I mean, if someone told me a year ago I'd be camped out at my fricking parents' house obsessively pulling my shirt open and sniffing my mastectomy scar I would have been, like, you're effing out of your mind. And yet here it is, happening for real. Appointment with RO tomorrow morning.

    I've taken Oxycodone for pain but will anything stop the internal itching? So weird to scratch where I "think" it itches, have that spot be numb, and realize the itchy part is deep inside. Sorry if this is TMI, but I have a feeling I'm not the only one who's experienced this...right?

  • BlueCowgirl
    BlueCowgirl Member Posts: 667
    edited November 2011

    Robyn_S, yikes! I hope you are feeling better soon!

  • PlantLover
    PlantLover Member Posts: 622
    edited November 2011

    Blue ... I just have to tell you ... you crack me up!!

  • Mandalala
    Mandalala Member Posts: 162
    edited November 2011

    I just had my fifth radiation. It doesn't hurt or itch or anything, but this morning my left (radiated) breast was a bit bigger than the other. Since the operation it's been smaller, but now it's bigger. I know it can get swollen from radiation, but the nurses told me that this usually happens later. So is it a bad sign? Will it be worse later because it started already? 

  • Robyn_S
    Robyn_S Member Posts: 197
    edited November 2011

    Thx blucowgirl- it can get worse and I am still in hospital -getting operated on in the morning to try to clear out the infection and hopefully save the TE on that side. it had all been fine before the rad burns - it has just been one thing after another since, but I have good drs here including the PS who is going to do the reconstruction with what is left of the boob.

    The lesson learned is to be sooo careful with radiated boobs and respect them while healing!! Kid gloves!!!!

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    Good morning to all - I was without my laptop for two weeks, so I am trying to catch up on several threads- I missed you guys!  Robyn- so sorry you are going through so much. I hope your recovery is going well. Here we go- another day ahead - I am going to try my best to make it a good one. My 11 yr old grandson has a half-day of school, so he will be going to treatment with me today. My cancer center is very accommodating, so the recepetionst volunteered to keep him busy while I have treatment. I really appreciate her help as the machine was down three days last week, so I don't want to miss another day- I just want to get it done!

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    ...oops- to those in different time zones - good afternoon or good evening. I forget that we are international!

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 4,562
    edited November 2011

    Wow seems like recon and rads is way worse than my 3rd degree burns on a flat chest.((hugs)) Take care ladies with your healing.

  • truebff
    truebff Member Posts: 642
    edited November 2011

    I am on day 15 (out of 30) today and so overwhelmed about going in later. Yesterday went in good for the first time in forever and immediately this jittery-field in my chest overwhelmed me right  after the rad and burnt worse than ever feelings and increased redness and throat burning worse soon after. Woke up at 4AM in too much pain and couldn't take pain meds because I had to be able to drive to an 8AM doc appt., so it just escalated.

    Having so much trouble every day - just cry myself through it. It hurts. I hurt. This is so hard. I don't know how I will ever make it through.

    Thanks for a place to rant and try to take back my power! Damn, but this is really crap!

  • truebff
    truebff Member Posts: 642
    edited November 2011

    And to make matters worse, went to see an "integrative med doc" (supposedly to integrate spirit, emotion, mind and body - not just body) this AM.

    His remedy was:

    For not being able to sleep:

    -go to bed at 10 PM

    For Insomnia and other concerns:

    -exercise 90 minutes EVERY day ( I exercise 40 minutes 4 x a week and am losing weight just trying to keep my energy levels from expiring under all this and he wants MORE????)

    -NEVER drink ANY coffee, ANY wine (or any liquor) or ANY fruit juice or ANY rice or pasta or ANY soda EVER AGAIN IN MY LIFE! (No moderation, no hay, one cup, one drink an occasional pasta sort of thing. Just, nothing else he could touch as I already "eat right." with few vices.)

    For my spirituality and emotions:

    -join a support group and go to al-anon and devote my life to seeing "why I enabled my daughter to become a drug addict" (which she became afer leaving home, not on my watch)(blaming me to do the 12 step program for her)  (instead of GET my OWN life in focus for ME) (Oh yeah, and then he insisted he HAD to tell all my other docs about her jail trouble, embarrassing the crap out of me. I asked him NOT to and he said that "I was in denial" and this would be in my best interest -to tell them my private family stuff- when what I would have preferred was some PRIVACY.)

    For my pain:

    -use aloe vera on my burnt breast (already aware of that and on my shelf with all my other OTC meds trying to find something that will help me endure this).

    For my constipation from pain meds:

    -laxative

    For my mind:

    -he recommend a book about nutrition because it was by a cancer survivor

    ALL THAT AND I HELD BACK ON MY PAIN MEDS for THIS appointment???

    Oh the frustration...

    ---

    At least I love my Chinese med doc. (build me up naturally and balance my system  and on the affordable side). I'm going to him after this rad hell. I am more sick by these MDs than I can say.

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited November 2011

    I burned but not the point of blistering.  I had bought some aloe vera gel from a health store.  The stuff you buy at Target, etc. has alcohol in it so you want PURE aloe vera gel and yes....it looks gross because it is brown in color but that helped me from blistering.

    However, the fatigue was horrific.  I was sleeping 12 to 14 hours a day during rads.  Each week the fatigue got worse so it was cumulative.  I didn't exercise - heck I was too tired to do anything but sleep.

    By the 3rd week I was dreading each appointment.  I hated that for 6 weeks I had to set aside time in my day and head to the hospital - it was though rads was taking over my life.  I couldn't plan anything because I had to be at the hospital at 2 pm each day.

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited November 2011

    truebff, I suggest you get a message to that "integrative med doc" ASAP that if you have told him something in confidence (about your daughter) and he tells anyone else including your med team that you will report him for serious HIPAA violations. It would be illegal for him to tell them when you have specifically told him not to.

    To all of you suffering through rads, I wish you quick healing.

    Leah

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited November 2011

    I had begun to believe that rads was an easy part of treatment - until now...I had my 11th treatment on Fri. The fatigue had gradually been setting in, but hit me like a brick yesterday. The fatigue would not be as bad if I was not very nauseated with it. The nausea actually woke me up several times last night. I have some compazine left from chemo treatment time, so I may have to resort to using that. I am trying ginger tea, ginger ale and dried ginger first...

    Sher 

  • truebff
    truebff Member Posts: 642
    edited December 2011

    I have three more treatments to go. I can smell the finish line. I never thought I'd make it, even three treatments ago.

  • BlueCowgirl
    BlueCowgirl Member Posts: 667
    edited December 2011

    Truebff, YAY!!! It makes me happy to know that most of the women who have posted on this thread are either done or almost done with rads.

    And I just read your post about your integrative meds "Doctor"...WTF? How did you restrain yourself from not physically attacking him?

  • BlueCowgirl
    BlueCowgirl Member Posts: 667
    edited December 2011

    Anandagram, hope you are feeling better soon - assuming you have discussed the nausea with your RO?

  • Reality
    Reality Member Posts: 782
    edited December 2011

    Thanks, BlueCowgirl - I am feeling better, thanks. My RO shrugged it off as a stomach bug - he actually told me how severe his diarrhea was when he had "the bug". - Like I care how much time he spent on the toilet!  Compazine and frequent, smaller meals are helping. (I told him I was fine when I saw him on Monday - unless there is something visibly wrong with my skin, he does not want to hear it....fine with me - Thank goodness I have all of you.

  • BlueCowgirl
    BlueCowgirl Member Posts: 667
    edited December 2011

    Anandagram, now I see you posted that on Nov 27...Glad you are feeling better now, though it's all relative still, eh?

    Your RO sounds like a little bitch.What do you do when people try to compare their stomach flu/pregnancy/stubbed toe/whatever with chemo or rads? It's tough to know how to respond.

    Personally, I smile and nod, but I know how I respond in my own head, and it's definitely not PG-13 (adult language, graphic violence). My own little fantasy world rocks.

  • Elizabeth1889
    Elizabeth1889 Member Posts: 1,036
    edited December 2011

    Anandagram and Blue Cowgirl, It sounds like we all had the same RO.  There must me a special mold for them in med school.

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