Repost: please help
Hi ladies, I posted a little over a week ago under "question" and had some great responses. Since then I've had my follow up visit with my Onc after my BMX yesterday. She told me what I didn't want to hear. Since I had so many positive lymph nodes she said I would need more chemo. I had four rounds of A/C followed by four dd rounds of Taxol prior to my surgery. Now I have to have eight rounds of Gemcitabine/Carboplatin before I can even begin radiation. I know it could be alot worse but I am so bummed out by this news. I really hoped I was through with chemo. Have any of you ladies been on this chemo cocktail? What can I expect now? I'm so sick of this. I would really appreciate any comments.
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That just sucks. They should have told you this at the start of this all. It would give you a better chance at becoming a stage IV with so many positive nodes to do chemo again. It also makes you eligible for the vaccines that are in the studies. As soon as you are done with the next chemo, check into the vaccine studies. Some of the better ones you have to be NED. Stage IIIC, your are eligible for them but have to have finished the Taxene, more then the 4 you had, and or the carboplatin.
Good luck.
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I had the same 4 ac 4 taxol and now tamoxifen. The other chemo was never mentioned.
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Diana,
Sorry, I do not know enough about the cocktails but I do know when you are NED you will be glad you did the extra chemo.
Best of Luck to you.
I was two years NED last month.
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I'm so sorry Diana, I know it's not the best news. I can't offer any help on the new cocktail but just wanted to lend my support. I don't understand how all this BC stuff works and I know this is weird but there is a part of me that wishes they would have done that to me. That was the original plan, it was changed and then it left me wondering "was that enough". You're already in it now so why not, does that make sense...better to get chemo all over with than have to go back when the hair is already coming in and you're feeling better. I understand your frustration, it feels like you're not moving on but you are and it sounds like your also getting that extra dose of "kickin the poo out of BC". I hope you feel better about this soon, sending you hugs and prayers.
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Hi Diana, I can't help with the chemo information, but I am basically the same stage as you but triple negative. I have my bmx on Nov. 30. I may be facing chemo after depending on the path report, so I do understand your frustration. I am already so tired and can't imagine surgery and then more chemo, but I also want to do what I can do now to make sure this crap doesn't spread. How were your scans before surgery? DId they show your breast tumor or positive lymph nodes? They say my scans look good, but it seems you never know until the path report. I am trying to think of people on this board that have had that combo, I think Suze35 has done that one and I do know there are others, so I am sure you will get more responses. Are you doing the chemo every two weeks? Hang in there, we are all here for you!
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Diana,
I'm so sorry for this news! It really surprised me that your onc came back with the decision of more chemo. Did he explain why or provide his concerns? Since you showed a 50% reduction in tumor size it demonstrated the chemo was effective so it should have gotten the rogue cells (if there were any).
I mentioned in my other post that I had a trial onc and my regular onc. I noticed a distinct difference between the two when it came to aggressiveness. The trial onc seemed to want to go full tilt on treatment but she never talked about how it would impact my quality of life. My regular onc seemed much more concerned that we didn't want to win the cancer battle just to have me loose my quality of life. This may not be a concern for you but I had a long chemo treatment and didn't do especially well. It was weekly, was suppose to be 27 infusions (I made it to 26), and I had to have 7 transfusions because of the effect it was having on my RBCs. So my regular onc was pretty concerned about more chemo. He did change his mind, though, after I was feeling better and he felt I could handle it.
I don't know anything Gemcitabine. And as I mentioned in my other post the carbo that I had was low dose. It was supposed to be 3 weeks, off a week, for 4 cycles. Other than tanking my blood counts I really didn't have any SEs.
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Solange - I actually did Taxol and Carboplatin, so I can't speak to the Gemzar regimen, but I have heard that the hardest part of it is low blood counts and fatigue. I know Carbo dumped my numbers to the point of needing Neupogen shots the last five weeks, and I did weekly doses.
Being Grade 2, it would make sense that you didn't respond as well to the chemo (slower growing tumor). Has your doctor computed your Residual Cancer Burden? It looks at things like residual cellularity, leftover DCIS vs. invasive components, and yes, remaining nodes.
Many oncologists wouldn't recommend more chemo, because there are not many studies backing up its effectiveness. Those studies, however, are now starting. The good things you are ER+, which means AIs will help reduce your risk.
I suggest a second opinion if you haven't had one yet, at a large cancer center or university if possible. Maybe see if there are any trials that suit you as well?
It is a tough decision as to whether or not to go for more chemo. I was TN, so I chose to throw everything I could at it. I wish you the best in your decision. -
I did AC and taxotere before surgery, mx, rads and more chemo. My onc. decided on more chemo because my deep margin was so close and the tumor invaded the muscle and my response to chemo wasn't very good. originally 8ish cm to 4.5 cm multifocal. All nodes were negative but were all mushed up, so they suspected that most of the nodes were involved. At the start of this and even at the time of my last taxotere, I was told 99% chance I won't need more chemo... But being triple negative, I think it was a good call. I am glad I did it. I was supposed to get Gem/Carb, but it wasn't funded by insurance, so I did Vino/Cis instead. Apparently those 2 regimes are very similar. But, Gem/Carb is more gentle and has fewer side effects. I didn't lose my hair. But, I had crazy bad nausea from the Cisplatin.
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I didn't have the exact chemos but very similar....I had cisplatin which is similar to carboplatin.....
I did dose dense TAC and my onc followed it up with three more chemos together.....This was his special treatment plan for stage III clients. I did know going in that this was the plan....so a little bit different than you.
It's a bummer but you will get past all of this....and then it will just be behind you and you can move on......I preferred the big guns and I give it credit for how well I am doing with such an extensive stage III diagnosis.
Jacqueline
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I had four doses of TAC neo-adjuvantly. I wasn't sure going in to surgery whether I would have adjuvant chemo, but I knew it was a possibility. As it turned out, my onc recommended two more doses after surgery. I think if I had had a complete response he would have backed off, but as it was, there was still some activity in my tumor and nodes, albeit reduced greatly. It was a bit of a disappointment as my hair had started to grow back. But as I think about it nowI am grateful that I had those extra doses as "insurance".
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Hi, Diana...just wanted to check on you and see how you're feeling.
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I am in a similiar situation. Did 1 round of taxotere, had allergic reaction then switched to 4 doses of A/C. Was suppose to do 3 more doses of Taxol but I was afraid I might have a reaction to the Taxol and opted to do surgery. Onc told me if my nodes were positive I would need to do Taxol. Had my surgery Nov 2 and Nov 9. BS went back in on Nov 9 to remove axillary nodes. I have an appt on Dec 12 on onc to see what the next course is. I am still nervous about doing Taxol. I don't want another reaction like I had and I type for a living and play the panio at church so I don't want any neuropathy. I cannot believe my nodes came back positive. I am bummed just like you are. I thought for sure my path report was going to be clean. Now I am trying to do as much reading on Taxol as I can.
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Hi Capinva:
Just wanted to reassure you that Taxol (finished Sept. 2, treatment once weekly for 12 weeks) was so much easier for me than A/C, which I had to physically force myself to go to after the first treatment. Yes, there is the issue of the Benadryl in case of reactions, but my side effects were so much fewer, I was very relieved. I've had carpal tunnel syndrome, so I was prepared for the type of neuropathy I might face. I do have a little numbness in my feet and fingers (mostly my thumbs), but it doesn't really bother me. I type all the time & the neuropathy hasn't affected my ability to key at all. And I only had an issue with one nail - a toenail which ended up falling off. The others just got a little more brittle and ridged.
I wish you the best of luck and some peace of mind!!!
Kate
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Capinva, Not sure what reaction you had, but i understand your fear! ask your onco about abraxane. I had 4 doses of ac, then was scheduled for 12 rounds of taxol. 8 minutes into the taxol ( even with the pre meds) I went into anaphalactic shock and had to have an epi shot and be rushed to the er. My dr told me i could stop treatment or try abraxane. abraxane is more expensive which is why drs look to see who can tolerate taxol or taxotere first.Taxol has a compontent in it called kremaphor which causes 37% of patients to have reaction. Which is why all of the pre meds are required. ( not sure about the taxotere) Abraxane is just taxol mixed with human blood protein instead. ( hence the increase in price) It was a tough decision for me as i never wanted to feel something like that again! With being stage 3 though, I decided to go ahead with it. The first treatment, we did a very slow drip,had the epi pen ready, and did the pre meds ( which arent usully required) I just finished my 7th dose of abraxane with 5 more to go. So far se are not great, but doable. The best part is pre meds are not required and it is only a half hour drip. good luck to you!
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ps, im a hair stylist, so fear of neuropathy was also a big concern for me as well..... so far so good!
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I too did 4 rounds of AC then 4 rounds of Taxol.I had bone pain with the Taxol on the first and third treatment. yes it was bad but i kept telling myself that it is killing the cancer and that is what i hung on to. cancer sucks!!!!
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Hi Diana. I was scheduled for 6 rounds of TAC before my BMX, but only did 4 because they were so tough on me. After the bmx, everyone was surprised by a much bigger tumor than expected....still 8cm after 4 rounds of TAC and 9 very positive nodes. They recommended more chemo for me too and I just about told them to go fly a kite. They gave me 4 more rounds of Abraxane and Cytoxin and it was SO much more tolerable than the adramyacin! I don't know much about the cocktail they are proposing for you, but I hope you have a similar experience and it's a little easier on you!
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