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laurieloomis
laurieloomis Member Posts: 43

Really worried about the hair loss..how soon does it happen after treatment starts?  Does it come out all at once or gradual?

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  • mags20487
    mags20487 Member Posts: 1,591
    edited November 2011

    My loss started with a few strands here and there... I cut it short in preparation.  Check out the Sept group...a lot of us posted pix.  Then on about day 19 after the first treatment I was taking a bath in the morning and handfuls of hair were coming out.  I came to my husband crying and he buzz cut it for me.  Felt alot better once it was done.  I have enjoyed playing with my scarves and hats as well as a couple of wigs.  You can get a free wig at your local American cancer society office.  My insurance would not cover.  I also signed up for a free scarf at gaila and good wishes.  I know how difficult it is emotionally to be hairless.  {{{HUGS}}} to you as you start it.  You will get used to it though..it takes me no time to get out the door now and showers are a breeze as I do not have to shave my armpits or legs anymore. 

    Maggie

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited November 2011
    Laurie - You may want to check out the cold caps threads. There seem to be two kinds of cold caps used to deter hair loss, Penguin and Elasto-gel.  You can do a keyword search on those and several threads will pop up.  Best wishes.  If you are having taxotere please consider icing your fingernails and toenails.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    Mine started 12 days after my first tx. I immediately went to my "wig lady" since I had already selected and ordered my wig. She buzzed it all off, helped me fit the wig properly, and that was that. I was so terrified and in shock at the prospect of losing my hair that I almost refused chemo (actually, I did refuse, but changed my mind when I came to the realization that it was my hair or my life Undecided). But once I took that step and got rid of the hair myself, I felt amazingly empowered. There are so many things that aren't under our control in this journey that it feels really good to take charge of the things that we can control. And I know that it's hard to believe, but after it's gone, you just focus on other things. Another thing that's hard to believe...it DOES come back. As stupid as it sounds for me to say that, I couldn't imagine/remember what hair on my head felt like after awhile, so I tried to forget about being bald. But once the sprouting starts, you would think that you were the recipient of a freakin' miracle!

    Good luck, Laurie. Anticipating the loss is far worse than the actuality of it.

    Marin

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited November 2011
    laurieloomis, sorry to hear about your new diagnosis. Sounds like you haven't gotten your final (post-surgery) pathology report yet. Just to let you know, not all women need chemo. So it may be possible that you won't have any hair loss at all.
  • laurieloomis
    laurieloomis Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2011

    Thanks Mags for your encouraging words! I am terrified about the hair loss and how I'll deal with working at an Elementary School with scarves, hats & wigs. I'm going to try to take it all in stride with as much grace & dignity as I can.   Best wishes to you as well.

  • marlenet
    marlenet Member Posts: 345
    edited November 2011

    laurieloomis - My hair loss happened about 12 days after my 1st tx. My hair now, after 3 years (11-14-2008) of hearing the words," Marlene  I'm sorry you have breast cancer" has come back full and is beautiful.  I love it. I did not wear a wig for the longest time then I decided to wear a half wig, just for fun. The half wig went from my ear area down.    I wore that about 3 weeks and decided it wasn't for ME so I went back to hats and scarfs.  I bought a lot of fun scarfs.  My friends at work started to buy me some fun ones too. 

    Sorry you have to be here

  • laurieloomis
    laurieloomis Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2011

    Hi Marlene...thanks for the info.  I was thinking about getting a half wig then wearing hats or scarves over it.  I just can't imagine myself bald!  Maybe in time I'll just decide to go au natural. I don't know, it's just so scary and foreign to me right now!! 

  • reesefoggy
    reesefoggy Member Posts: 65
    edited November 2011

    Also read "lets talk about hair" I just responded in that one and don't want to repeat same.  I thought having a mastectomy would prevent me from having to do chemo, so I was just going to have a bilateral and be on my way.  When my breast surgeon said I would have to do chemo regardless, because of my age, I asked will I lose my hair, he said yes, I lost it for the first time. Thankfully my husband was with me for that one.  It is a horrific thought at first, but then you get over it. I cannot say it is easy and lovely looking at myself with one boob and bald but the alternative isn't too lovely either. Hats and scarves are my bff's right now. My advice, have fun with it, wear hats you otherwise would never dream of. There's so many cute hats out there and it's fall /winter so it can be fun. I even bought adorbable hat boxes to store mine in.

     Have a hat party, I did. See my post in the other thread and hang in there. It isn't easy but you can make it easier on yourself. 

  • marlenet
    marlenet Member Posts: 345
    edited November 2011

    laurieloomis-you will get through this.  I look back (it will be 3 years on 11/14 since i received that call confirming my worst nightmare) and can't believe everything I have been through.  It's funny, when I had no hair and would come home from work, I would take my scarf off and be bald.  My daughter (at the time she was 16) said" mom, you look good bald.  My husband would smile at me and tell me I look beautiful. Wink   The hair comes back!

  • luv2trav
    luv2trav Member Posts: 39
    edited November 2011

    Hi Laurie

    So sorry you had to join this horrible club.  My hair started falling out about 2 weeks after I started treatment..it was very itchy so I just had my hubby shave my head. I was lucky that my insurance covered a wig and a "hat"wig.  I would wear my full wig to work-I work in a school and the kids were great about my hair! I wore my half wig with my baseball caps around town..once summer started I ditched the wig.  Had many compliments about my bald head.  Now my hair is starting to grow back-in the realm of everything, losing my hair was not as bad as i thought it would be and it is only temporary.

  • vickilf
    vickilf Member Posts: 95
    edited November 2011

    I am so sorry you have to be here. 

    I didn't have to have chemo either, so you never know you may not need chemo. I had 16 treatments of radiation and it wasn't that bad. 

    I did notice that some of you had the same diagnosis as I did, and you had chemo and a full masectomy. I wonder how a doctor determins if we have radiation or chemo? Is it the oncotype test or just what?

  • laurieloomis
    laurieloomis Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2011
    See the oncologist tomorrow to determine the next course of action. Really hoping chemo is off the table, but either way, I'm determined to beat  this thing with all the strengh I can muster!Smile
  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited November 2011

    Good luck tomorrow, are you bringing someone with you?

  • laurieloomis
    laurieloomis Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2011

    Thanks Omaz...my wonderful husband and one of my daughters will be there holding my hand all the way...fingers crossed!

  • JulieH
    JulieH Member Posts: 351
    edited November 2011

    Laurie:

    Just to let you know, I'm a middle school librarian and went through the whole scarf/hat thing with 950 11 - 15 year-olds.I did not wear wigs; I just find them too uncomfortable.  They'll be curious, but probably very accepting.  And, having worked in elementary, I'll bet they'll be even more accepting.  The kids will probably surprise you with how wonderful they'll be.

    My hair (all over my body) began coming out at about 14 or 15 days after the first treatment.  I, too, shaved my hair completely once it started -- that was one thing I had control over.  In truth, I did NOT miss shaving my underarms or my legs for the 4 months I went through treatment.  Smile

  • WaveWhisperer
    WaveWhisperer Member Posts: 898
    edited November 2011

    Hi, JulieH....I'm a new member, diagnosed 1 month ago tomorrow, surgery 2 weeks ago. I live in Charleston. Could you send me a private message? I wonder if we have the same doctors, etc.

    Thanks. 

  • laurieloomis
    laurieloomis Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2011

    Hi Julie...thanks for your message.  I'm a special education assistant (4th & 5th graders)  I haven't figured out what the best way to handle that is, but your words give me hope.  You look beautiful and strong..hugs and prayers to you.  Thanks, Laurie

  • khuja
    khuja Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2011

    Initially the thought of losing my hair was really, realy tough. My oncologist recommended I just shave my head, but I wasn't ready for that step initially. I have very thick hair, so I got my hair cut into a short style as I didn't want to face long gobs of hair falling out. Mine started falling out on day 17 after my first treatment...I noticed it on my clothes, and bed sheets first, on day 19 it came out in gobs in the shower and I then knew it was time, and I went and had my hair buzzed. For the next week, the little buzzed pieces continued to fall out. I wore a little cotton cap around the house and would shake the little hairs out in the sink.  In never lost all my hair on my head...it's very thin peach fuzz like. BUT have noticed after my 4th cycle of chemo, it's actually starting to grow.  I still have my eyebrows and eyelashes...definitely thinner but still there.  I was the unibrow teenager so it's a bit of a treat not to have to worry about plucking/waxing.  It's nice to not have to shave my legs! 

    I have two wigs and multiple scarves and hats.  I prefer the scarfs and hats for comfort, but there are times when I don't want to advertise my cancer.  Wigs on rainy/windy days aren't the easiest, but I always keep spare hat/scarf in the car with me.  My wigs are very similar to my previous hair....I just wanted to look like me...and often people who haven't seen me in a while, can't tell I'm wearing a wig.  

    I'm not sure what type of special education students you deal with, but you will be surprised at their compassion. Children are much more resiliant then adults.

    Best wishes to you..... 

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited November 2011

    My diagnosis just came in today.  It is IDC...low grade 1, stage 1.  It's 5 mm (about the size of a pea) and doctor said he could do a lumpectomy and we'll talk about radiation.  I would want to know the percent of recurrance if I do or don't do radiation.  Anyone have any idea on that?

  • laurieloomis
    laurieloomis Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2011

    Hi Kaara...Sorry you have to be here, but glad you are. Welcome!  What are your ER/PR/HER2 scores?  I'm not sure about radiation or not, but I would ask your Oncologist.  I hope that's all you will need to do, that would be a true gift! Keep us posted...

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited November 2011

    laurieloomis:  I have an app't monday with my bs to go over final results of my pathology report.  He will give me this information at that time.  I'm hoping for the best news.

  • laurieloomis
    laurieloomis Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2011

    Got the word yesterday...Adriamycin & Cytoxin to start on Dec. 8th!  So my journey begins. Damn! Not so worried about the hair loss anymore, just anxious to get this started and hopefully come out the other side.  Someone mentioned "cancer days" and "non cancer days"  well, I can certainly relate. My emotions are all over the place, some days I feel up-beat and strong, then others, I'm a sobbing basket case!  What a scary rollercoaster we're all on!   Prayers and positive thoughts to you all.

  • marlenet
    marlenet Member Posts: 345
    edited November 2011

    kaara I beleve if you have a lumpectomy,  radiation will follow.  There is a test done called  Oncotype Dx .  Here is the site http://www.genomichealth.com/en-US/OncotypeDX.aspx

    About the Oncotype DX Breast Cancer Assay and Early Stage Breast Cancer

    The Oncotype DX breast cancer assay, is a test that examines a breast cancer patient's tumor tissue at a molecular level, and gives information about a patient's individual disease. This information can help individualize breast cancer treatment planning and identify options. The Oncotype DX breast cancer test is the only multigene expression test commercially available that has clinical evidence validating its ability to predict the likelihood of chemotherapy benefit as well as recurrence in early-stage breast cancer. The Oncotype DX gene expression assay is intended to be used by women with early-stage (stage I or II), node-negative, estrogen receptor-positive (ER+) invasive breast cancer who will be treated with hormone therapy.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited November 2011

    laurieloomis:  sorry that you have to do this, but if you're comfortable with that decision after researching all of the options, then it is the right choice, and you will get through it fine.

    Sending you prayers and positive energy!

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited November 2011

    marlenet:  I know about the oncotype test, and I will definitely be asking my doctor about it...thanks for the link.

  • lknrocha
    lknrocha Member Posts: 8
    edited November 2011

    Afternoon Laurie

    I begin chemo on 1 Dec with the same regiment as you. In addition, as you my emotions are like being on a roller coaster at times. I find just going for a walk, reading a good book, or watching a movie helps until the erratic feelings subside. I am glad to have the surgery overwith and will have my first reconstructive "injection" on November 23. Even with my exercises my chest and arm are tight. I guess all in good time. Good luck

    LynnCool

  • laurieloomis
    laurieloomis Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2011
    Hey Lynn, nice to hear from you.  It helps to know we're not alone in all of this. I'm glad my surgery is done too.  Something else has come up...seems that my liver function tests are high, so I'm off to see a gastroenterologist this morning to see what's up with that.  Hopefully it won't delay the chemo because I've finally resolved that in my mind and am anxious to get started with it.  and then done with it!!! Yes, walking, book, anything is a good distraction. It does help to get the emotions under control.  Keep in touch and have a nice Thanksgiving.  Positive thoughts and hugsSmile
  • lknrocha
    lknrocha Member Posts: 8
    edited November 2011

    Morning Laurie

    Great to hear from you. My liver enzymes were up slightly but they do not seem worried, Keep us posted. I am worried about my MUGA results and whether they will impact my chemotherapy. I will be getting a port for chemo on 28 November. Have a terrifc Thanksgiving. Positive thoughts and distractions are exactly what is required Cool.

    Lynn

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited November 2011

    Morning everyone!  If there could be any good news in any of this, I guess I got some late yesterday when I met with my BS.  I am IDC grade 1, stage 1, HR+(89%) PR+(75) HER2-.  The tumor is very small, 0.8 cm, so lumpectomy and sentinel node biopsy and depending on outcome of that, some rads.  I meet with the remainder of the team (dr., nurse coordinator, onc) next Wednesday to go over everything and come up with a final plan for treatment.  The patient gets input into this process.  It's a program modeled after the one at Mass General and my boyfriend and I were very impressed, so much so, that I'm not even going to get a second opinion.

     I left yesterday feeling very confident that I'm in the right place to have this surgery, and that my decisions will matter with regard to treatment and follow up.  The only other thing I will do is meet with a naturopathic doctor to do some complementary therapy in coordination with the radiation treatments if I need them, and to put me on a program to prevent recurrance.

    Having this information at Thanksgiving is timely.  I can certainly count my blessings that this was caught in the early phases.

    Wishing everyone a very happy Thanksgiving, and sending lots of prayers andpositive energy! 

  • laurieloomis
    laurieloomis Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2011

    That's great news Kaara!!!  We have many blessings as we travel this road...Have a happy Thanksgiving!

    Laurie

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