Breast Thermography
I have my first appointment for Breast Thermoraphy here in Seattle on September 20. And looking forward to it. I rejected the Seattle Cancer Care Alliances view on another Radiation Mammogram.
Radiation causes cancer. So, I should get "radiation" to prevent cancer? What nonsense.
The Thermogram just makes sense. What this Thermogram test reveals is the "hot spots" of cancer. Which is increased blood activity, feeding the cancer cells. A cancer cell needs blood, to feed it. And that is what the Thermogram reveals.
Of course, this is not covered by my Group Health Insurance. But the MD told me it was $250 for the Breast Thermo, or else $400 for the test that covered the brain to the pelvis.
I'm paying the $400, out of pocket. But glad to.
I have just taken charge, of my health. And I will not just slavishly, submit, to the Medical Industrial Complex.
And after my Leio cancer in 2005, and my 2cm breast cancer in May, 2006, and NO other treatments, I am alive and well. On the Budwig FOCC and my D3 level of 71. Which I want to get to 91.
There IS an alternative way. I have found it.
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Of course, surgery was a medical industrial complex treatment which you underwent and which you neglected to post in your opening. I read that in one of your other posts. Could it possibly be that the surgery, and not FOCC is responsible for no recurrence so far?
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motheroffoursons, I did not know of the FOCC when I had my 2CM IDC cancer surgery August 1, 2006. Yes, the surgery did cut out my cancer, with wide margins.
Although, if I had known of the FOCC and the entire Budwig Protocol, could that have reduced my cancer, without surgery? It is possible that it could have. There are plenty of testimonials on the FlaxseedOil2 Yahoo group that testify to this. But I did not do this, because I did not know about it.
To repeat, I only became aware of Budwig and the FOCC when my sister was diagnosed with Stage 3 Ovarian Cancer in January, 2008. She too, at the time of her diagnosis, knew nothing about Budwig/FOCC. So, she had surgery and they cut it all out. Then, they wanted her to do chemotherapy to "make sure they got it all."
She refused. She went on the entire Budwig Protocol and is thriving, today. There was one woman who lived in my small town, Stage 2 Ovarian Cancer, she had chemo and died. Yet, she was written up in the local newspaper for "raising $$$" for more MIC treatments. Before she died.
I am actually not averse, to surgery. What I'm averse to is all of these other "treatments" that don't help women, but just enrich the Medical Industrial Complex. Radiation and Chemotherapy.
Most doctors, diagnosed with Cancer refuse chemotherapy. The same for the radiation. You can find the links on the Internet.
Just one of the links about doctors and chemotherapy:
http://www.whale.to/cancer/chemo112.html
As a basic tenet, these "treatments" don't make sense. Chemo, especially, kills your immune system. When what a cancer patient should be doing is building up their immune system. To naturally fight the cancer. With the D3 and the Omega3s in the FOCC. Not killing their natural immune system with the chemo.
This disconnect is mind-boggling, to me.
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I hear ya that the radiation from mammographies is bad. FWIW, did you have a hard time finding the thermography place? When I looked into it, I found that trials are still being done to quantify it's effectiveness. I also read that the industry didn't have standardized training yet, so the skills of the technicians could vary widely. Not sure how to get around that. Did you have a hard time finding yours?
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And Leia, I'm wondering how your smoking affects your immune system?
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just don't drink or eat anything warm/hot for at least an hour before
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peggy, it is difficult finding facilities that offer thermography. Of course, I did a Google search on Seattle and Thermography and did not come up with much. Yet, 6 months ago I had torn out an ad for Thermography in this local free Women's magazine and called the number. But the number I called was in TN. But, the next day, the Dr. called me back saying she would be in Seattle late September at a local clinic and so I made my appointment. She said she comes to Seattle every three months, or so. I just happened to catch her.
peggy, I don't have the answer to any of your concerns. As to whether this particular doctor has any standardized training, I don't know. I'm just going for it.
Yet, I'm the one on the FOCC that refused the radiation treatments and the Tamoxifen for my 2cm IDC cancer. The FOCC has no MIC backing, at all. In fact, most MIC doctors would tell me that I'm an idiot. So, in my case, it is not surprising. That I am going for a Thermogram.
But that's OK. I just think, for myself. What is right, for me. And I'm willing to give this Thermogram a chance. Dr. Mercola, Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, they both support it. I'm going to check it out.
Because I am going to do what is right, for me. As everyone on this board has to ultimately decide, for themselves.
We are the ones that will ultimately live or die, based on our own choices.
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digger, I think my smoking taxes my immune system. So that is why I am doing everything that I can to build up my immune system. The FOCC, my D3 level that I want to get to 91. I am counting on those measures fighting off the carcinogen effects of the tobacco smoke.
Although, the carcinogen effects of the tobacco smoke is just one of the very many carcinogens in our totally toxic world. Do you have mercury fillings in your teeth? Totally carcinogenic. Just the toxic air we breathe, sans tobacco smoke. The processed food most people eat. I could go on, and on. You seem to be pointing to Tobacco as the only carcinogen someone could be exposed to.
That is pretty silly.
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panamajayne. thanks for the tip.
Have you had a thermogram?
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peggy -- Thermography has been around since the mid-seventies, and many, many clinical studies have been done since that time, trying to determine its effectiveness. Trials were ongoing at the cancer hospital I volunteered at back then. It was hoped by the medical establishment that thermography (which is harmless) could take the place of mammography as a screening tool. But it seems over 30 years' worth of studies still have not determined this.
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Over the past 30 years the Thermography effectiveness has just gotten better. As it has it many other medical areas. Even mammography, has gone digital.
But here is the deal. Who is "financing the studies?" These studies cost $Millions. Most of the studies are financed by the manufacturers of Mammogram machines. Who are in bed, with FDA.
Thermography? That threatens their profits. While with their mammograms, they can reel women in starting at the age of 40, for decades. And making $$$ preying on women's fears.
I have read a lot about it and Thermography just makes sense, to me. The basis of Thermograpy is that cancers need a blood supply. And breasts, in a non-cancer state, have no blood supply. So, on a Thermograph, they show up as blue. A breast with a cancer, developing shows up as red. High vascular activity. A cancer.
There have never been any "studies" about Vitamin D3, either. Why? Because no one profits.
I don't rely on "studies." I've read so many articles where all of these "studies" are just disproven, in 4 or 5 years. I read one, recently, that said that smokers, like myself, have a higher incidence of lung cancer after breast irradiation.
They didn't tell me that, in 2006. But, oh, some "new study." Well, thank goodness I did not have that breast radiation in 2006.
And by the way, my 2cm IDC breast cancer did NOT come back. Without the MIC radiation. Over five years, later.
This is all just nonsense.
Surgery, I agree with. This other stuff, no.
I am going to just choose what is right, for myself.
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Who is "financing the studies?" These studies cost $Millions. Most of the studies are financed by the manufacturers of Mammogram machines. Who are in bed, with FDA.
I can assure you that clinical studies conducted in other first world countries (yes, those with universal healthcare) are most definitely NOT in bed with the FDA, nor are most of the studies financed by mammography makers. The docs I worked with at Princess Margaret (one of the 5 leading cancer research hospitals in North America) were very, very hopeful that thermography would take the place of mammography, most of all because they knew how much safer it would be, and that, because it is painless, more women would come forward to be screened.
Leia -- I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't do what seems right for you. I just want to correct some facts. Peace.
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But Lindasa, you have presented no facts.
Do you have a link to these other studies? The ones not connected with the FDA?
Then, you said:
"The docs I worked with at Princess Margaret (one of the 5 leading cancer research hospitals in North America) were very, very hopeful that thermography would take the place of mammography, most of all because they knew how much safer it would be, and that, because it is painless, more women would come forward to be screened."
And then, you just sort of dropped the ball. Concluding, "Leia, I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't do what seems right for you. I just want to correct some facts. Peace."
I'm sorry, which facts did you correct? What were the results of the clinical studies in the other first world countries about Thermography? The ones at Princess Margaret that you worked with?
Was it that no women wanted Thermography? They did not come forward, to be screened?
lindasa, I'm really confused, with your statements.
But for sure, I would like to read about these other Thermography clinical studies. Can you provide the links to them?
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Princess Margaret Hospital is in Toronto, Canada. Why would the United States Food and Drug Administration have anything to do with thermography clinical studies in Toronto, Canada? And why would the U.S. FDA have anything to do with clinical studies done in other countries?
I was merely questioning your assertion that "Most of the studies are financed by the manufacturers of Mammogram machines. Who are in bed, with FDA".
As for facts, Leia, I believe you haven't presented any facts regarding your own statement.
ETA: In the U.S., with its "for profit' medicine, it may be true that the mammography machine manufacturers have wielded some influence in U.S.-based clinical studies. However, in countries such as Canada, with universal healthcare paid for by taxpayers, every effort is made to reduce costs, and every clinical researcher knows this. If thermography had proven as (or more) effective than mammography, you can be assured that countries such as Canada, the UK, Australia and every other first world country (other than the U.S.) would have adapted thermography as "the" screening tool for breast cancer.
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lindasa,
You said, "If thermography had proven as (or more) effective than mammography, you can be assured that countries such as Canada, the UK, Australia and every other first world country (other than the U.S.) would have adapted thermography as "the" screening tool for breast cancer."
So, there ARE Canadian or non-USA studies that show that Thermography is less effective than mammography. And that is why the cost-conscious Canada has not adopted Thermography.
Those are the studies I asked for the links to. Can you provide them?
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Leia, I'm not the one who chooses to believe thermography is a satisfactory and proven replacement for mammography. If Canada and other countries have not adopted thermography as a replacement for mammography, then (perhaps specifically because of the financial implications) the clinical studies over these last 30 years obviously show that thermography is not a replacement for mammography. Unlike you, I tend to believe my bc researchers. I know many of them personally.
Perhaps you should check out some reputable studies yourself, rather than depending on me to find them for you. I'm finished. You do what feels right for you. Good luck!
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My cancer was found during a routine mammogram. However, I did have thermography in addition to a mammogram, prior to having a prophylactic mastectomy. The thermography was done in the US.
That said, I'm including a copy/paste from the company that did the thermography. The company is Dilon Technologies and this is a copy/paste from their FAQ regarding mammograms. BSGI = Breast Screening Gamma Imaging and I am fairly certain the medical clinic referred to it as thermography.
For the foreseeable future, mammograms will remain the gold standard in breast cancer screening and will be the first step in breast cancer detection. However, for specific groups of patients BSGI, MRI and ultrasound will continue to serve important roles in breast cancer screening.Will BSGI ever replace mammography as a screening tool?
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lindasa, I am doing what is right for me. As you are doing, for you. And it is so great that we have this board where we can all contribute and tell others what our experiences are.
I'm sorry that you said "I'm finished." I would have enjoyed discussing this more, with you. It is only in discussing issues that we get to the root of the matter.
Anyway, drum roll, so I had my Thermorgram, today, September 20. Wow, first off, what a pleasant experience. Again, there's no personal contact. You do have to dis-robe, but no one looks at you. The person was just taking the photos on the computer. They took about 20 photos, but then I elected for the full body scan, not just the breast scan.
And then after she took the photos, she showed them to me. This person has been taking the photos for 12 years. And she went over them, with me.
She repeated, that she's not the MD (the photos are sent to a FDA rated Thermographic physician; I'll get the official results back in one week) but with her twelve years of experience, my breast photos looked, great, she said. Mostly all blue. Meaning no vascular activity. And it is the vascular activity that feeds cancers. Meaning the blood vessels that feed a cancer. And she saw none of that. Great.
And this is the cogent point; the blood vessels feeding a cancer can be revealed in a Thermogram 10 years before that cancer would EVER show up on a Mammogram.
Mantra, I don't know why Thermography should not replace the mammogram.
And, I was told, today, that Thermography is the standard in Europe. Not the Mammogram. I have not had time to research that, just repeating what I was told. But I will research it.
Although, the other full body Thermogram scan, not so great. She says to me, "You must work at a computer, all day." Which I do. Apparently, the thermogram showed high heat areas in the back of my neck. And some other high areas in my sinus areas, in my head.
She suggested my lymph system was overloaded. And suggested some remedies. Which I'm considering.
And for reference? The total cost for this was $400. $250 for the Breast Thermography, $150 for the additional body photos. Not covered by insurance, I paid out of pocket.
Here on the Alternative Medicine Board of this site, I think Thermography is the real deal. To me, it just makes intuitive sense.
And to repeat; the blood vessels feeding a cancer can be revealed in a Thermogram 10 years before that cancer would EVER show up on a Mammogram.
Don't Thermograms make more sense?
They do, to me.
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Today, I got my Thermography report. And it said:
"There are no signficant thermal asymetries noted in the breasts. No clearly defined vascular patterns or single donimant pattern is noted on either side. As such, these areas do not currently appear suspicious.
And from http://www.breastthermography.com/
• EARLY SIGNS THAT A BREAST CANCER MAY BE DEVELOPING
Angiogenesis?Angiogenesis, or new blood vessel formation, is necessary to sustain the growth of a tumor. Breast thermography may be the first signal that such a possibility is developing.I don't have that. New blood vessel formation. My report said that. "No clearly defined vascular patterns or single donimant pattern is noted on either side." Vascular meaing blood.
I have no imminent breast cancers. For 10 years.
This report gives me lots of information. Although, the report also suggests another thermogram in 3 months, to really establish a base line. What is normal, for me. And then go for yearly Thermograms, after that.
I'm going this way. To me, a thermogram gets to the root of breast cancer. Or any cancer. The "clearly defined vascular patterns" that indicate a cancer is growing.
And as I said, above, the Thermogram also covered my head and chest/abdomen. No "clearly defined vascular patterns" in those areas, either.
That has always been my wonderment, about this board; and that is that breast cancer is the only cancer that you could ever get. You are all "fighting" breast cancer. But there are unlimited cancers, out there.
I know. AsI have said, many times, I also had Leiomyosarcoma.
We can't just fight breast cancer, we have to fight all cancers And to me, the thermogram is a much broader test. Mammograms have their place in diagnosing a specific breast cancer, when a thermogram indicates a problem. But doesn't it make more sense to just start with a Thermogram?
Especially, when a thermogram can detect cancers all over the body.
After this thermogram, I know how I'm going forward. And it is not, Mammograms, every year. I am done, with that. I'm doing the thermogram. And will go forward, from the results of that test.
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Leia, thanks for sharing your report. I was planning on doing only a breast thermogram. But, it's true. There are many cancers. So, I will do the full body thermogram instead. Thanks for waking me up.
Hugs,
Sharon
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Sharon, yeah I totally recommend the full body thermogram. That revealed the problems that I noted, above, the back of my neck, highly congested and underneath my breasts.
I just had my first Lymphatic Drainage procedure, today. $85. It was great!
I feel very relaxed, tonight. Especially in the back of my neck.
That Thermogram that I had showed where all of my lymph nodes were blocked. As I said above, mostly under my breasts and in the back of my neck. So that is where the person concentrated. But then emphasized, drink PLENTY of water for weeks. To flush out all of the toxins that were released, with this procedure.
We'll see how this goes. Although, she said you could do this Lymphatic Drainage daily, if not weekly or monthly. How much can you afford. But the woman said the lymph system, the sewer system of our bodies, if it is allowed to truly excrete all of the hazardous waste in our bodies, we won't get sick. But most of the time, it doesn't. Excrete all of the hazardous waste. And why you need Lymphatic Drainage.
I'm always the CPA. If I did this weekly, for 1 year, it would cost $4,420. My 2cm 2006 breast cancer billed out at $75,000. I have the spreadsheets, to prove it.
There are no studies for "Lymphatic drainage." Yet I feel better.
The "system" pays for treating cancer, but nothing for preventing it. This is just so ... wrong.
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Leia, the lymphatic system not only carries waste materials from the cells, it carries nutrients to the cells as well.
You can do breast and neck lymph drainage massages yourself.
Here are two that I do.
Breast Massage
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLu8EuY8JkoC
Self Lymph Drainage Massage
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA-wi0d7-Ro
Yoga, cardio exercises etc also help to drain the lymph. I really want to get a rebounder. My birthday is coming up. I hope I dropped enough hints to get one.
I read that drinking lots of water with a pinch of sea salt is good too.
If you google "How Can Exercising Improve Your Lymphatic System?" you'll find an interesting article.
I think we can't simply wait for our MDs to spoon feed us all the information. If we do, we'll be waiting a very long time. I think we have to take the time to research and learn about how our bodies work and what it needs to function properly.
ETA: PLJ, I hope you told that MO where to stick his stethoscope.
Hugs,
Sharon
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I had a full body thermography scan after completing my 1 year of Herceptin...the scan found an area of concern on my thyroid...'suggesting thyroid disfunction' with 'correlating area of hypothermia over the T2 that is consistent with autonomic dysfunction'. Based on the report and US was recommended and a small nodule was found the right side of my thyroid. Biopsy came back, Thyroid cancer. My endo was amazed that we found the cancer so early and I was able to keep half of my thyroid intact.
I am a firm believer in thermography and have since had my annual follow-up showing 'no significant thermal changes...compared to the previous scan in Sept 2010.
Just my two cents worth
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o2bhealthy, that is an amazing story. What a vindication of Thermography. I am so glad that with the aid of Thermography, they caught your Thyroid cancer, early.
Thermography is the real deal. Again, it is not a diagnostic test. Yet it is a predictive test, as it was for you. And you went on, based on that predictive test to have a diagnostic test that revealed your Thyroid cancer. And then, you were able to be treated for that. As you said, at an early stage.
That is my problem, with mammograms. They go to step two, diagnosis, and ignore step 1. And I have the stats, just not this minute, but it is something like 80% of mammos are "normal." And of the 20% abnormal, 4% are cancer. And those 16% go through hell with biopsies and anxiety and have no cancer.
And then, there is you, o2bhealthy; you ended up with thyroid cancer. No mammogram would have revealed that.
A full body thermogram is the superior test. So why is this not the "standard of care?" For breast cancer, for any cancer.
Well, the answer is there is a Big Mammogram Medical Industrial Complex. There is Big Bucks giving all of the women over age 40 Mammograms, every year. And then, performing biopsies on those 20% that have an abnormal biopsy and then treating the hell out of the 4% that have cancer. To just say, again. What a racket. Health care prices continue to skyrocket. Duh.
Well, I've dropped out. I'm doing Thermograms, from now on. That I will pay for, myself.Even though I have "health care insurance" from my employer that would give me mammograms,for free. I don't value, those mammograms. I'll pay out of pocket for the thermograms.
And I'll try the suggestions, from Sharon.
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O2bhealthy, thyroid cancer is on the rise, especially among women. You are so lucky the thermograph was able to detect it so early. I know that the risk factors include iodine deficiency, estrogen fueling the growth of cancer cells, x-rays and of course mammograms. The thyroid gland is apparently sensitive to radiation. That's another big reason why I want to avoid mammograms. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Hugs,
Sharon
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I recently read about thermography as I was doing my research on options for treatment of bc. I think it makes a lot of sense in that it is not giving you a dose of radiation, and the test is very sensitive. I asked my bc specialist about it, and of course he said he didn't believe it was as effective as a mammogram. What is he going to say....they have a room full of mammography equipment that must pay for itself, and he is connected with that hospital.
I will gladly pay for thermography out of my own pocket in the future, and like Leia above, I will make my own decisions about treatment options, even if I have to pay out of pocket to get something other than the "standard of care" that the industry supports.
It's good to see these ideas being reinforced by others on this thread.
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Sharon, thank you so much for all of your suggestions. I am reviewing them all. And will start exploring how they can help me.
I am currently searching for a naturopath doctor. Although, in the meantime, I can very easily read the Thermographic doctor's interpretation of my thermogram. Which was no thermal sign of any incipient cancer. Do I really need to go to a doctor and have him/her just repeat that to me?
Doctors are not .... gods. And the sad thing is that most doctors, these days, learn nothing about nutrition, in medical school. It is not even covered. They only learn about what tests to order and what drugs to prescribe, for any given illness.
When nutrition is the answer.
To say again, as I have said on this board many times how Dr. Budwig's FOCC changed my life. Literally, night and day. I feel so good now. By now, it's been almost three years that I have been on the FOCC. And I do remember how horribly I felt, before. But by now, feeling good is the new normal.
I love life.
I have had many attackers on this board, but it doesn't bother me. Because I'm just healthy. No recurrence for 6 and 5 years for my Leiomyosarcoma cancer and by 2cm IDC breast cancer, respectively. For my part, with the FOCC and eating healthy foods, and my 71 Vitamin D3 level. These attacks, don't stress me. I'm just calm. It all just rolls off. Where it wasn't like this, prior to January, 2009. I was stressed out, ALL the time. Most likely, why I got these two cancers, to begin with.
By now, I am doing what is right, for myself.
The latest, this Thermography. Taking charge, of your life. Where YOU make the decisions.
Good on you, Kaara. You are definitely NOT alone.
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Leia, NDs are great. They treat the whole person. They promote using diet, detox, exercise and supplements, stress management techniques to reduce the risk of cancer and other diseases. I hope you find a good one. My ND is really on the ball and easy to talk to.
I also have a MD, who is pretty knowledgeable when it comes to nutrition. He even gave me a smoothie recipe and he prefers that I have breast ultrasounds instead of mammograms.We haven't discussed thermograms yet. But regardless of whether he's for or against them, I will still do thermograms once per year. I know doctors like him are rare though. My last doctor was totally ignorant when it came to nutrition. (The poor thing!) I had meet and greets with two other doctors before choosing this new one. So there are health conscious MDs out there. Sometimes it just takes time to find one.
Although both of my current doctors are efficient, I still always do my own research. I find that when good doctors see that you know your stuff, it motivates them to want to help you even more.
I was considering using FOCC. But I can't eat flax seeds or flax seed oil. They make my face break out. And I avoid consuming unfermented dairy, so I won't eat cottage cheese. I'm looking at just substituting those ingredients with hemp seeds, hemp seed oil and kefir, which are all known to help fight cancer. I hate to go switching up the recipe. But, I have no choice. My overall diet is really healthy. I'm a big fan of juicing, so I'm good.
Let us know how things go when you find an ND. I'm always curious to know what others are suggesting and why.
Sharon
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The International Academy of Clinical Thermography has listings of top thermography clinics. They are the oldest, most trusted thermography affiliation with standardized protocols in place for over 15 years. www.iact-org.org There is a clinic in Bellevue with Dr. Darvish,ND who does thermography with this affiliation. I have heard she is wonderful. At the iact website you can read for youself the studies that have been done regarding thermography. With well over 800 long term studies(some as long as 12 years) and well over 300,000 women in these studies, thermography is neither experimental or investigational as so many insurance companies like to label it. It is the only "early warning system" available....long before that lump can be detected by mammography, all women should be utilizing thermal imaging to monitor their breast health...period. It should not be in competition with mammography. Mammography is a test of anatomy. Thermography is a test of physiology. They work together and neither can replace the other. No one test is sufficient enough to trust our breast health with. Together these technologies along with clinical breast examination is realizing up to 98% detection. Isn't this what women really want? To be able to sleep at night knowing you have done all you can to monitor and protect your breast health.
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This is totally right. Thermography and mammography work, together.Yet thermography needs to be the first test; it is the only early warning system available.
Mammography as the first test is clumsy, and blunt.
In November, 2002 I had a "suspicious" mammogram at the age of 48. Had a biopsy. That said, no cancer, yet I had a major hematoma, as a result of the biopsy. And then, subsequent mammograms said I had a "lump." Caused by the botched biopsy. Well, fast forward, May, 2006, diagnosed with a 2cm IDC.
If only I would have had a Thermogram, in 2002. I would have saved myself all of this trauma. The 2002 Thermogram would have discovered the incipient 2006 IDC. Before it ever grew to 2cm.
That is the beauty of the Thermogram. It detects cancer in its truly smallest stages, And with the whole body thermogram, it detects cancers elsewhere, as well.
To repeat, with my whole body thermogram that I had in September, my breasts were blue in the pictures. No inflamation, no cancer. Meaning, I don't need a mammogram. If the thermo photos of my breasts were orange, I would need a mammo. To see what is wrong.
The technologies do work together. And we have to switch over, to where the Thermogram is first. And with an abnormal Thermogram, the woman has a mammogram. To figure out what is going on.
As the poster said, above, 98% detection.
I am certainly sleeping better, with my negative Thermogram. And not only negative for breast cancer, but for other cancers. And I have had another cancer, Leiomyosarcoma.
Again, repeating, my company health insurance does NOT cover thermography. But, I am paying for it on my own. And rejecting the "mammograms"my health insurance would pay for.
Thermograms are what is right for me.
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