2011 Running Thread
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Wow, what a day yesterday! Between driving into Manhattan early, negotiating the subways AND coordinating keeping the group of eight of us from my family moving up to speed from viewpoint to viewpoint, I think my day was more tiring than my husband's! My husband did great, all things considered. He was on pace for finishing in 4:17 or so, but his early enthusiasm cost him a bit at the end. Though there is no shame in walking... His official time was 4:25:11, which still qualifies him for being listed in the NY Times (you need to have better than a 4:30 time to be printed, who knew?). Another perk: all finishers get to ride the subway for free! He joked that bonus made it all worthwhile...
Speaking of training schedules, I'm doing a variation of the first time/casual marathoner plan on this page, which I jumped into at week 8. I'm at week 10 now in the program, and my long run this weekend is only 12 miles. Piece of cake!
Kat, your question about running consecutive days reminds me of last summer, when I experimented with running doubles (twice in one day). I had heard of people doing that, and especially since I had hopes one day of doing a relay, I wanted to give it a shot. Honestly, I was running so slowly at the time (my running partner was about a minute slower than me), so it was actually not painful at all to up my mileage like that. So basically what I'm saying is try it (consecutive days, I mean) and see what happens. You can always stop and walk.
Have a great day, all!
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Thanks guys for the input about running on consecutive days. Esther, I like your philosophy (trty it and see). Seems like now would be as good a time as any - since I am on leave from work between surgeries. The only thing is, yesterday I started to feel like I was coming down with a cold. Woke up in the middle of the night with the tender sore throat, goopy sinuses, etc. Ugh! This is the first time I've been sick since dx in April, including during chemo, so I guess I can't complain. I'll probably take an extra day off today and see how I feel tomorrow.
Claire, I guess I misunderstood how far from the city you are... 2.5 hours definitely qualifies!
Forgive my assumption. I agree; many people figure NY = NYC!Nice to hear about the marathon. Amazing to think of doing anything so vigorous for several hours! The closest I've ever come is doing a 4-hour Zumba-thon!
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Orangemat - Sorry, must be someone else I saw over on the other forum. I know what you mean about all those photos, though! I need to go check out that bike path in your neck of the woods sometime!
Groovygirls - Aw, ((((hugs))))! I had to defer last year, so I feel your pain. I was dx with bc and a tibial stress fracture in the same week last September. I could have run with the bc, but had to take off 6 weeks for the sfx, leaving me only one week to resume training before the race. Decided that didn't seem smart, so instead I had a re-excision two days before the race and spent race day recovering from surgery and tracking my friends. I hope you can do it next year. I have to tell you, that finish line yesterday felt so symbolic - representing not only the end of a goal race, but also the end of an incredibly challenging year! I hope you get to feel that same sense of victory next year!
CLC - Good for you! It's so good to get back out there after surgery, isn't it? Are you running with a prosthesis? As a uni mx myself, I sometimes wonder how life, and running, would have been had I not chosen reconstruction. I'm fine with my decision, but am going for revision surgery to try to get a better match to the native side.
Kat - Good for you - progress is progress! I agree, it's so great to have a place where others can appreciate what we're really going through. As for running consecutive days, what I've read is this: Listen to your body. Two easy days in a row is fine, but after a more challenging workout (speedwork, tempo, or a long run), give your body time to rest and recover. You can cross-train using different muscles. Do take at least one day of rest per week. That's about all I think I know. For me, running 4 days a week is plenty. I've only been running about 4 years and was doing stationary bike regularly before that.
The Higdon plan had me running three days in a row. That really threw me. I always used Runner's World SmartCoach in the past and it worked great - but it looked like there were some changes to the program last time I checked and it gave me a really weird plan (running 2 days per week to train for a marathon?!).
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Orangemat, sounds like you did your own version of the marathon yesterday. My DH did, too, but not with eight people in tow! Congrats to your husband!
And hey, I didn't get a free subway ride after finishing! Guess you had to be among the throngs right after the race? DH and I went for dinner first to let the subway crowds die down a bit.
As for me - well, all was good till mile 6. As I feared might happen, my bad knee started acting up. I ended up stopping at the medical aid stations at miles 7, 10, and 21 to get it iced and fixed up. I lost at least 20 minutes doing that. I had hoped to do under 5 hours, but ended up with a 5:30:38. I knew going in it wouldn't be anywhere near my 4:23 Philly Marathon finish in 2009. Back then I didn't have four surgeries and chemo to mess with my training - not to mention the knee injury. But I was going to crawl across that finish line if I had to!
The crowds were even more incredible than I imagined (and I've been among them before)! You really do feel like a rock star when they're all calling your name! I saw friends and DH at several points along the course. I high-fived more little kids than I can count, pumped my fist to every band on the route, and, even during the many times I walked, I had a stupid grin on my face the entire 26.2.
At the expo I had bought a lot of gear, including a rather expensive marathon jacket. I'd been debating whether to return it. I don't "need" it, yada yada.... Today I went to the Marathon Monday pavilion. Didn't buy any of the finisher gear, but I took advantage of the Hospital for Special Surgery station where they offered stretching and doctor consults. As the doc examined my knee, I told him the rest of the bc saga. As I was telling him the race was kind of the finish line of a year of bc for me, I decided: I'm keeping the jacket! Not only do I love the teal color - and the race date printed on the cuff, so cool - but somehow this jacket is a tangible reminder of everything I went through to get to this day.
I hope you all get to savor your own running victories!
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Carla, DEFINITELY keep the jacket
Congrats on your literal and symbolic victory - woot woot!!! -
Carla - congrats on your great achievement, I agree with Kat - keep the jacket!!
I would love to run NYC marathon at some stage, maybe next year I will incorporate it into a holiday to the US!!
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Carla, congrats on your NYC finish! And congrats to Esther's husband, too! I was there on 4th ave in Brooklyn, cheering runners on, and it was an absolute blast. I really wanted to cheer for Esther's husband (and for you, too, Carla, except I didn't know you were running), but I had to leave before most of Wave 3 came past. (I know the wave start makes it possible to accommodate more runners, but it complicates things for spectators if you want to cheer for runners in different waves.)
My own Sunday started with an early morning run up 4th ave from Park Slope to Sunset Park - basically miles 5-7 of the course, but in the reverse direction. Care to guess how many people informed me I was going the wrong way, as though that was the funniest and most original joke ever? (Good guess, but it was probably more.) Very cool to see the street totally cleared of all but official vehicles, with no one out but cops, race volunteers, cyclists and runners (a few others had the same idea as me). Swung by the good bagel place to pick up brunch provisions (a new workout, running a kilometer while holding a bag of 18 very dense bagels), then changed and headed down to the course just in time to see the lead women go by. The really fun part, though, is cheering for the regular, civilian runners. I saw some of them again later on the TV coverage (like the French guy who was wearing a stork on his head).
So, anyhow, I am now feeling major marathon nostalgia and am determined to get in at least a half next year, and maybe - who knows - a full in the fall.
On the rest day debate . . . I try to run every day (used to do doubles, too). That worked for me in the past -- but as I struggle to find what works for my new, older, post-cancer self, I'm wondering if maybe a rest day would be beneficial. If I did that, I would try to incorporate more intensity (tempos, hillwork) into my schedule. Running every day at a slow to middling pace is great for stress reduction, but neither my speed nor my endurance seem to be improving, and it's very frustrating.
(I do think that if you're training for a marathon, running on consecutive days is essential. It's how you get strong and efficient enough to handle the distance.)
L
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Congrats, Carla!!! I am so impressed. Awesome on the jacket! That is definitely a keeper...you should have a symbol of your hard-won accomplishment!
Orangemat...congrats to your husband...do I remember correctly that this was his first?
I am not wearing a prosthesis yet, except for a lightweight form. In NY, you can't get fitted for a silicone prosthetic until 6 weeks post-op. I don't bother with the lightweight form while running, just not comfortable. I live in the middle of nowhere...but if anyone sees me, I don't really care about how it looks. Just glad to be comfortable...:) Once I get the silicone prosthetic, I may try it while running for the weight balance,or maybe not, since it will make me sweat extra.
I am not ready to run after work yet, just too tired. So...I won't be running until Friday, I think...:( But, I will try to get in some walks...:)
I hope you all are well...and happily running.
Claire
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Thanks, all!
Kat, TreadSoftly -- Not only did I keep the jacket...I took it out of the bag in which I brought it back to possibly return...tore off the price tag, and wore it walking out of the Marathon Monday pavilion! Can't return it without the tags, LOL!
Lewing - What a fun way to get in a run! Could be worth trying sometime, running the empty streets before the marathon...if my body ever decides it can run again after yesterday...! I was in Wave 3, so definitely missed you, but it's fun to know you were there!
Claire - Hope your runs go well, prosthesis or not. And walking is good. I expect to do a lot more walking than running for the near future.
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My dh and I are doing a 5K run on Nov. 19. I am still not feeling very motivated.
I did a short run today, and I know I need to step things up.
Everyone here is doing so well, I feel like a slug.
Harley
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You're running, Harley, and slugs don't run! Nor do they run-walk, or even walk. And they certainly don't do 5Ks.
Treadsoftly, darn, I missed your post from the previous page . . . congratulations on your Dublin finish! I know what you mean about walking sometimes hurting even more than running. And if you run, at least you can tell yourself the agony will be over that much sooner!
Linda
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I want to express my big congrats to everyone and to all they have accomplished in these few days!
I would have kept the jacket too!
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Harley, you are NOT a slug. You are a RUNNER.
Running is a lot like trying to do a handstand in yoga class.
You see everyone doing it, and they all look so accomplished, and you can't even kick up against the wall. But you keep at it, because they all tell you it's "your own practice" and you shouldn't compare.
So you keep trying, and lo and behold, one day you do get up! Granted, you may only hold your balance for a fraction of a second, but man is that moment golden!! For just that tiny bit of time, everything is in balance.
And so you hold onto the memory of that moment, because you know better than anything else in your life, that you will always recognize it again, since you've experienced it once before. Or even if you haven't, you'd know it once it was there, for sure.
It's all about recognizing those moments. Not the paces we run, or the distances we cover. It's those moments frozen out of time where everything is right in the world. It's like stillness in motion. This is why I run.
citykitty, of course you kept the jacket! Congrats to you on finishing!
Yes, CLC, this was my husband's first marathon. He's still undecided as to whether he'll ever run again. Heh.
treadsoftly, did I congratulate you already? oh man, the brain is going... regardless, a huge congrats to you as well!
It's Tuesday, which means it's time for the track workout. I had the toughest 8.3 miles I've run in a long time for my run yesterday, so I'm somewhat dreading going out tonight. Plus I had too much for lunch, too late in the afternoon... blah blah blah, excuses... just get out there, right? RIGHT!
Happy running, all!
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Esther, you captured so much truth in your post - thank you! Hope your track workout went well.
My run this morning was amazing. I went out right at sunrise, and the whole eastern sky was on fire. A few drops turned into a light rain, but that didn't dim the bonfire light at all - it only meant that when I looked to the west, I could see a full rainbow arch. And in between, the leaves on the trees were glowing orange and burgundy and magenta. Wow.
I am so thankful to be a runner.
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orangemat,
WOW! Thank you!! You are so eloquent!! That could almost be a poem!!
Thanks!!
Hope everyone is doing well... ALL of us breast cancer survivors ROCK! We are PINK WARRIORS!! WHOHOO!!
Harley -
Linda... I loved reading your last line on your last thread..."I am so thankful to be a runner." What wonderful, affirming words. Thanks.
Harley...I can't say it any better than orangemat...And, as much as I hate corporate advertising...I think Nike was onto something when they said "Just do it." One foot in front of the other, until you're done with your run. My best friend is a cyclist. And some days she says she is trying to decide whether she will ride that day as she gets on the bike. A half mile later, she is still trying to decide if she will ride. She is still deciding whether she will do the big loop or little loop 20 minutes later. She doesn't actually decide to do the ride til she is on the home stretch...but still, she did the ride. Sometimes, that's just what you do. And once it's done, you can't call yourself a slug...even if you weren't really motivated.
Sometimes I am really hard on myself when I have to drag myself out there, but then I have to remember that most the world doesn't do that. And, on those days that I don't get the equipoise zen feeling that orangemat describes, that dragging myself out there is awesome enough.
Happy running to you all...:)
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LInda,
Yes, I am very thankful to just be here.... so every moring, when I wake up, it's
a gift!
CLC,
You are SO right! I like that way of thinking.... I will decide WHILE I am out there, DOING IT!
Another of my bco friends from another thread says that she walks or does yoga, or SOMETHING... anything... elliptical... But her main way of thinking is this:
she says: I will do TEN MINUTES! Well, TEN minutes is NOTHING, so once she gets out there, she decides to do 30 minutes... then 45.... Before you know it, she has been out there for an hour!
Harley
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Can anyone recommend a good sports bra? I am having trouble finding one that fits comfortable and does allow for too much bounce. I am using a moving comfort with the zip front and a compression top. I have trailed some from the local running store but not real happy with any on the fits. Plus when I explained my situation and what I was looking for the co-worker kept looking at my chest. I looked at him and said 'yes they are implants' . His response " I was reading your shirt" (crappy old race top)
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I was so happy to find this running thread! I'm in the second week of a 12-week 10K training program.
Is anyone out there doing this run in San Francisco? http://rhodyco.com/runwild.html
Some background about my bc history. I had my first bout with bc 12 years ago. Second bout in 2009. I now have stage IV breast cancer, currently taking Arimidex, following bilateral oophorectomy, and radiation. The 'treatment' puts us through the ringer, doesn't it?
I've always been a runner, but now I get raised eyebrows that I have continued running. Almost as if some of my acquaintances feel that strenuous exercise would make my situation worse. Do any of you get that? Your friends and family cautioning you against running? As if you of all people are being RECKLESS with your health???
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GrenadaGirl...I just so like your perspective and reminder...that running is just so darn good for all of us. And we shouldn't let anyone else's misguided sense of it (or diminishment of our accomplishments) get in our way.
The people that surprise me most in their disregard for how important exercise is to me is THE DOCTORS!! I cannot believe how dismissive my bs was of my need to get back to running quickly.
I am sorry that bc has found you again...this time at stage IV...I cannot pretend to know what it is to deal with your particular dx and treatment and keep running...but I can say that I am glad that you are still running...that I am still running...that we all can be here together and just keep going... The women on this thread are so inspiring... It is good to be a part of it...
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GrenadaGirl,
WHOHOO! I think it's GREAT that you are out there, exercising!!
Sorry you are going through this crap, but glad you are keeping on... You are an INSPIRATION
to us ALL...
Hugs
Harley
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You go GrenadaGirl! So sorry about your dx but priority 1 is to do what makes you feel better. Just because it doesn't come in an IV bag or pill doesn't mean it's not therapeutic. The Running thread shows how much it helps from the neck up. (I sometimes wonder if the "concern" of acquaintances is because they get more points for having a SICK friend than for having a friend with a diagnosis who continues to live to the fullest. I've had a lot more positive reinforcement for when I am down for surgery than for when I'm recovering.)
groovygirls, loved the implants/shirt story. Too funny! I loved the Lululemon "The Bust Stops Here" bra but I don't know if they still make them. I've seen recently in stock the other high-impact design called the Ta-Ta Tamer which did not tame mine. What I liked was that it was cut to allow separation and avoid chafing in the middle, with non-stretch panels and very bounce resistant. Much better than other products I'd had. I'm not buying these days, and dreaming of the day a yoga bra will do for running!
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Hi, Grendagirl, and welcome! You sure are right about being put through the ringer. I hope the arimidex kicks the ass of those mets. (We should compare notes on arimidex . . . I just switched over from tamoxifen, will be on it for the next two years. No SEs of any significance so far, but I'm leery. I don't want to feel any older than I already do. Bleah.)
And yeah, I know what you mean about people sometimes looking askance at our running. I just figure they're jealous!
That "run wild" event looks like a blast . . . loved the pix from past races when I went to the link. Unfortunately, I will be far, far away on Nov. 27. But: I'm flying to your neck of the woods today, as chance would have it. Will be staying in downtown Oakland (my sig other is at a meeting there that wraps up tonight), exploring the bay area for a couple of days, then doing the scenic drive down the coast to LA. Any good places to run in Oakland? Exploring cities on the run is one of my most favorite things to do.
Got to go run now (it's a beautiful fall morning in the D), then gather my stuff and head off to the airport.
Linda
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Hi GrenadaGirl! Yes, I totally get your annoyance with non-runners telling you to stop running, as if you should "respect" the diagnosis or something?? Here's my take: while the experienced marathoners will advise you to "respect the distance", they will never tell you not to attempt it... you get what I mean? Yes, it's a huge thing, the B/C, but that doesn't mean we need to roll over and quit... run on, my friend, run on!
Groovygirls, the bra I swear by is the Nike Swift Y-Back. I call it my "bullet-proof bra". It comes in two lengths and I have several in both styles. The pockets in the back of the long one are excellent perks, and when it's colder out I like it as an extra insulating layer for my torso under a regular shirt. Both are appropriate as outerwear on their own. I wear the XS size and was so happy when I could still fit post-UMX.
I've been away the past couple days, visiting colleges with DD in the Boston area. But I've still been running! Ran 4 miles on the hotel dreadmill Friday afternoon, first time on the machine in ages. Yup, still hate it!
I have 12 miles on my schedule as my long run today, a cutback week. A running GF emailed me that she and another friend are running 8 today, so I hope to connect with them for part of my run. Then I'm having the whole gang come over (about 8 of us) to watch my copy of the "Hood to Coast" movie this evening. Not sure if I'll be able to sell any of them on the concept of a relay... ooh, better make sure I have enough beer and wine!
Happy running all!
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Had a fabulous long run in Oakland this morning . . . Grenadagirl, do you ever run around Merritt Lake? It was loaded with runners and walkers this morning; not to mention the birdlife (egrets, coots, cormorants and one lone pelican). Love the art deco buildings in the downtown area! After my loop of the lake I veered off onto what looked like a promising commercial street - Grand Ave - and explored it and the hilly bungalow neighborhoods just off it. We're talking serious hills - I felt as though I should have had rock climbing gear with me. I was enchanted to see limes growing in peoples' gardens, and enchanted AND tempted to see ripe figs. Through pure serendipity I stumbled on a lovely rose garden and did a loop of that, before heading back downtown on less-than-lovely Oakland Ave. Probably a bit shy of 10 miles, but I'm giving myself extra credit for those hills.
Linda -
Hi Linda,
I was just about to write to you that my fave short run is around Lake Merritt!! I run from my house to and around the lake then back. A nice 6 miles with a few shall we say... inclines? Hope our Occupy Oakland activities were not off putting to you. Lots of good little places to eat on Grand Ave and Lakeshore. My favorite long run is the See Jane Run Women's half marathon course in Alameda. Check it out at: http://www.seejanerun.com/t-See-Jane-Run-Half-Marathon-and-5K.aspx
Cheryl/GrenadaGirl
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Not a pure runner, but one of those multi-sport types.
Have 4 Ironman races, and too many shorter ones to count, under my belt. Now I am 4 weeks post-BMX and CLEARED TO RUN! Got a very easy 35 mins in this morning and it was fabulous!I am registered for Boston in April and planning to be there. So glad to find fellow athletes here to help me along! Starting radiation on Thursday and hope to run and ride through it.
Gail
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Welcome, Gail . . . I like your username; are you a birdwatcher, by chance? Grenadagirl, no worries about being put off by the Occupy Oakland encampment (which is just down the street from my hotel). I *was* put off by the helicopters and riot police this morning, though. I've really enjoyed being in your city but am looking forward to driving down the coast (and getting in some great scenic runs).
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So Happy to find this running thread! Just finished my fourth and final round of Chemo last week. Have been running throughout treatment, lifting some, and walking stairs at Red Rocks here in Denver to keep fit. Although I was running long trail runs (2 Hours) prior to surgery in August and Chemo, I can only muster up about 30 minutes right now of running. I have noticed my heart rate is soring (165-219) on these short runs especially right after treatment. I am guessing this is partly due to low blood counts. Has anyone else noticed this and does anyone know how long it will take to get past this 30 min max run? Any suggestions and thoughts would be very helpful!
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Hi kennard! I'm about to meet some GFs for a run, so I have only two seconds to post... but just wanted to say that for the first month or so, maybe even longer, after both my surgeries, I made a concerted effort to keep my runs at as minimal effort as possible. The slower and easier, the better. I wouldn't even run with anyone for fear that they would make me run faster than I felt was right for me at the time. Now granted, I didn't have chemo, but still, I did listen to my body and made sure I didn't overtax myself. Hope that helps!
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