DIEP 2011

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  • KatheW
    KatheW Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2011

    Hi all,

    I haven't posted here in a while, and am trying to get caught up with everyone's story. Hope you are are doing and feeling well! I had my DIEP surgery October 19 in Pasadena after all. I do want to thank all of you who helped me consider alternatives such as NOLA and UCLA. I did consult with both, and both seem like excellent places for reconstruciton. I ultimately stayed close to home to avoid the stress of traveling (yes, even going to UCLA was a big deal!).

    I was worried about surgery time my PS quoted me: 10 to 12 hours, but he finished my surgery in 7 1/2 hours. He said I had "good anatomy for DIEP." So far the worst complication I have had is an allergic reaction to the glue and tape (and probably other things).  My abdominal scar is still pink from the reaction, and so lumpy/bumpy as to be visible under clothes. PS is not worried, but I am not too happy with it.

    How long did it take your incisions to smooth out? When does a PS decide to do scar revisions and what is that like?

  • KatheW
    KatheW Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2011

    To those preparing for DIEP:

    Some of the things I did to prepare did not pan out. The recliner I rented was not comfortable enough for me to sleep in because I am too tall for it. If you are 5'10" or taller, be sure to try out the recliner before you rent or buy!

    The expensive Amoena mastectomy camisole I bought in April for MX did not work for DIEP. My PS wanted me in unrestrictive clothing only. The camis were too snug. I bought a couple of inexpensive stretchy tank tops from Target that did the trick. OnQ pouches are handy for drains, especially in the shower.

    As for needing help after DIEP, I had help from my mom and husband for a week. They prepared meals for my family and me which I greatly appreciated. I don't think I could have prepared my own food initially because I had difficulty using both hands while standing up (hunched over). I needed to put one hand down on something to take the pressure off my back. But perhaps if you have someone who will bring you food, you can do it alone.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited November 2011
    Jerusha, my fault, I wasn't clear. They are planning to put the tubes in while the op site is open, just insert them under the ab muscle fascia.Then close. They have an infusion type of deal where they replenish the something-caine periodically. I am not in the U.S., so perhaps the clinical protocols are different. It's a research trial so it's 50% chance of having saline. But that's in parallel with the PCA so I'm not worried about pain from the DIEP, just whether the nerve block tube itself would cause lingering injury. No one has remarked on that, so I am okay with it. I know from the previous mx that the drain tube is hateful, and am bracing myself to meet my enemy once again.
  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited November 2011

    So sorry this is your second go round, but I can definitely say I had no problems at all from the nerve block tube.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited November 2011

    Kathe... My ab scar has been flat basically all along... I have some scar tissue above the scar below the belly button, something I can feel but not see...

  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited November 2011

    bdavis, I think I have the same thing.  It feels hard below the belly button.  Is that what you're talking about?  I am going to ask ps about it next time I see her.

  • mrsnjband
    mrsnjband Member Posts: 1,409
    edited November 2011

    I have my stage II date, Dec 12. This means I have to miss work for at least 2 days.  I hope I will be able to go back for those last 3 days of school.  I still have to have a pre-op with the doctor & probably another pre-op blood work done which will mean I miss a total of 4 days of school. Lord willing I will be done at that point.  

    BTW Dec 12 is my DH birthday, Happy Birthday Honey! NJ 

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited November 2011

    Kay... yes. It is hard in the center between the scar and belly button, but closer to the scar

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited November 2011

    I think nobody answered regenschirm directly. I can't speak for others but my reason for delayed DIEP is the medical team at the time of my mx did not have the capability, and getting into another centre would have meant going to the back of a new waiting list, and would have delayed getting it done and I did not like the margins on my path report from the lumpectomy or the quite remarkable acceleration of grade and unexpected extent in the time between biopsy and lumpectomy. An immediate DIEP would have been preferable, but not if it meant the potential for things to deteriorate medically while I waited. I guess I am grateful that they did not try to do a DIEP without having the experience or capability.

    Through an intricate ballet of referrals, I finally ended up at a different centre that has lots of DIEP experience and so roughly a year after my first mx I will have a delayed AND an immediate DIEP, finally getting my prophylactic mx at the same time. 

    While an immediate bilateral DIEP would have been ideal, I'm not aware or expecting any great superiority of my immediate side over my delayed side, so I wish I had been given the option of a double-delayed DIEP. (They simply ridiculed me for asking for a bilateral, and I did not feel comfortable pushing the issue, knowing I would be sleeping while they were cutting.) I would have been symmetrical and flat and had the choice to go out in public with or without a prosthesis all year. The weight of the prosthesis has cost my extended health plan thousands in massage bills.

    There is no tissue expanding involved. They will use the skin from the belly flap on the delayed side to cover the extra surface area of the volume on the "delayed" side, but I think they will be using as much skin as they need from the breast on the "immediate" side and just tucking the skinless flap underneath it. The two sides will not have the same scars, but I do not give a damn as long as I look symmetrical in clothing and am smaller than I am now.

     

  • KatheW
    KatheW Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2011

    Has anyone had scar revision? Anyone had their abdominal scar removed?

    Betsy--It sounds like you are in good shape down there. Are you ready for phase 2?

    On Friday my PS said because of my reaction to the surgical glue, the scar would not smooth out completely. He did say, however, that he would remove the entire scar in phase 2. Good thing because this scar is very ugly!

    Did anyone have problems with the scar opening due to tension?

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited November 2011

    I am indeed ready for stage II... let's get this going!!!! And my ab scar did NOT open up, but I have heard of that happening...And not sure they remove the scar, but more revise it... You will have a scar in the end, but hopefully it will be neater.

  • regenschirm
    regenschirm Member Posts: 82
    edited November 2011

    It is so overwhelming to finally arrive at a decision, get the plan in place. I just finished chemo this past week. I am scheduled for BMX with immediate diep on dec 16. I am somewhat concerned about potential need for radiation. MRI so far looks good for nodes but i will have the sentinel node biopsy at surgery time. My other concern is my reaction to pain meds. Doc has prescribed emend to take the night before. I've never had anesthesia or pain relief without significant vomiting. Hard to imagine dealing with that along with the abdominal wound. I feel a little like I'm drinking from a fire hose!

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited November 2011

    regenscchirm,

    Ask your anesthesiologist to put a scopalomine patch under your ear before you come out of surgery. It puts some anti-nausea med into your system, and it can stay on for a few days after surgery.  Same thing people use to avoid sea sickness on cruise ships.  My anesth. gave me that --I had used it many times for sea-sickness while on dive boats, scuba diving-- and it sure did the trick.  Otherwise, in the past I've had the same problems you have.  I'm pretty sure he gave me another med in the normal cocktail of things he was using during surgery, also to help me come out of the OR without adding nausea and vomiting to the fiesta of other short-term miseries. You should see the anesth. doctor the morning of surgery.Tell him/her what you are worried about, and I'll bet he'll be ready with good solutions for you.  Best of luck!!

    Carol

  • Just_V
    Just_V Member Posts: 841
    edited November 2011

    Wow - truly reading this thread is the best prep for DIEP - mine is this coming Wednesday - I, too, was quoted 10 hours but hope to be out in 7 or so... not looking forward to coming out of the anesthesia but my sister will be here when i get home from the hospital so that is a HUGE plus.

    How many nights were you all in the hospital??? I've heard 4-5... how long were you all in ... my surgery starts at 730am so i will have an early start... (hhhhaaate hospitals!!!!)

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited November 2011

    Just_V,  I was released on the morning of day 4.  Afternoon of day 3 my PS offered to let me go if I felt ready; DH and I decided we wanted one more night of monitoring.  I was very strong and fit going into surgery and surprised myself at how quickly I came out of it, and how much walking I could do (relatively) comfortably in the hospital.  My stay might have been longer otherwise.  Good luck to you!!!!

    Carol

  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited November 2011

    JustV, good luck on Wednesday, looking forward to hearing from you on the other side!  I had surgery Wed. afternoon and went home on Sunday, so 4 nights.  Was really out of it Wednesday, remember a little bit of the recovery room, but that's it.  It was after 9 when I got to a room, so I slept straight through to Thursday so it felt like I was in the hospital 3 days and nights.  I felt pretty good when I left, but couldn't stand up straight.  Pain wasn't that bad by Sunday though and I was good at getting up and down by myself.

  • goldlining
    goldlining Member Posts: 1,178
    edited November 2011

    regenschirm, we're a day apart. I'm Dec 15.

    I have always had barfing after anaesthesia but I told them the last two times and had NO problems. It was just wonderful wake-up actually. They said for starters, the anaesthesia meds are better than years ago, and they also have additives to help people who have a history of barfing. I second carol57. Pass the duty to them.

    Good luck Just_V. We'll be looking for good news in just days from now.

  • NotAfraid
    NotAfraid Member Posts: 218
    edited November 2011

    kaitsmom 

    Don't obsess.  Every body is different.  I surmised that I was developing an intolerance to anesthesai which is why I was so ill even thought the surgery was easier.  But, I just had my 5th surgery yesterday (3rd Stage 2) and I am fine.  No illness from the anesthesai at all and the pain is all in my stomach where my PS harvested from.  As a matter of fact, I did 11 dog walks today (at 1/2 to 1 hour each - so 6 hours of walking).  I am feeling it a bit now, but, all things considered, I'm doing great. 

  • kaitsmom
    kaitsmom Member Posts: 291
    edited November 2011

    NotAfraid - Thanks for the info and the encouragement.  I am trying hard not to over-think this. Glad you're feeling good!  Now, if I could only get a job as a dog walker, I could get in shape fast!! 

  • IowaSue45
    IowaSue45 Member Posts: 586
    edited November 2011

    Hi Ladies, I have been trying to keep up on reading all of the post but have not posted for awhile. I had Bi DIEP May18th had a fairly easy recovery love what they gave me. Today I am going to have stage 2 lipo on dog ears and fat grafting to fill out the front of my breast. I will check back in a day or two and let you all know how it goes. Have a great day everyone.

  • regenschirm
    regenschirm Member Posts: 82
    edited November 2011

    So it sounds as if the nausea were managed for you. I will definitely ask about the patch. My ps prescribed emend to take 4 hours per surgery. I'm still worried but this can't be an uncommon concern.

  • Mina1
    Mina1 Member Posts: 50
    edited November 2011

    Hello Ladies

    Thanks for sharing all this wonderful information. I am thinking about having a DIEP surgery since I have been radiated before. I understand that it will look like patch work on that breast. Curious anybody here can share how they feel about scars and numbness? Single or married women how is this with intimate moments? How would I be able to see what the results look like through the stages is there a way of sharing?

    I am so scared of having this done. I am single and not married. I have been dating and well do not know how to approach this after such a surgery. I really do not want to do the surgery but would be taking a risk of a recurrence. I have already faught to keep my breast. If any of you have been there how did you over come this feeling. I feel like no man will be interested in me. I also will not be whole.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited November 2011

    Tim Tam has a photo gallery.,, just PM her and tell her you'd like to see her pictures.

    I don't have a radiated breast, but do have patchwork due to skin necrosis after MX, so I have abdominal skin on my right breast. I am going in for stage II on MOnday when the doctor's plan is to reduce the amount of patched skin... I have also seen breasts 2 years out and can say that the scar is barely visable, so hopefully after stage II and some time, it won't be all that noticable... For me, I have not shown my husband yet... I want to be done before I do.

  • KatheW
    KatheW Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2011

    Good luck with stage 2 Betsy!

    Are hospital stays standard procedure for stage 2?

    V--good luck with stage 1!

    I was in the hospital for 5 days after DIEP, including one day in the ICU. If you are going to be in the ICU, I want to warn you it is tough to sleep there. They hook you up to all kinds of monitoring machines with alarms that seem to go off randomly all night long. Eventually I aaked for ear plugs. You might want to pack both ear plugs and an eyeshade.

    I was given a scopaline patch for all my surgeries. I threw up a lot after my mastectomy and remember feeling like I was going to throw up after my lumpectomy. Did not throw up or feel nausea AT ALL after DIEP surgery. I think the anesthesiologist used the good stuff. I agree with what others have said: don't worry too much about the anesthesia.

    Regenschirm -- I needed to have radiation after my left skin-sparing MX. My PS does not like to have healthy tissue radiated, so he placed a TE to keep the skin stretched until rads was over. Then I had a pmx to right side and immediate reconstruction to both. Plastic surgeons have different opinions about this, however. There are women on these boards who have DIEP first and then radiation.

    Mina --  I didn't check your bio, but did you have MX or lumpectomy? MX does leave you numb, but scars are not bad, at least with skin sparing MX. 

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited November 2011

    Kathe... For stage II the standard in NOLA is 1 night, but I have heard some stay for 2... The surgery is obviously less invasive, but perhaps more painful... Will let you know next week. Who was your doctor?

  • IowaSue45
    IowaSue45 Member Posts: 586
    edited November 2011

    I am home from stage ll. I had lipo on love handles and above my ab incision and dog ears fixed and my breast filled out in the front so that they are more cone shaped instead of bun shaped plus one was about a size bigger than the other and the bigger one needed to be lifted some. I was released that evening and we come the 3 1/2 hrs home, it was fine. It was done yesterday and I took a sneak peak this am and from what I can see I am totally satisfied. I am sore just under my breast where they went in other than that I feel pretty normal. I had all my diep surgery and stage ll done at Mayo Clinic in Rochester,MN. I think my lady ps has done an awesome job highly recommend her.

  • KatheW
    KatheW Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2011

    Betsy -- I had my DIEP surgery done by Max Lehfeldt and Leif Rogers at Huntington Memorial in Pasadena. My breast surgeon was Jeannie Shen. 

    Did you and your docs come to an agreement on which areas to lipo for stage 2? Or do you just leave it all up to them? Is the procedure limited by time or number of areas? How long does it take?

    Sue -- I am happy to hear that you are satisfied with your results and not in too much pain. How are the lipo areas? I cannot imagine having the area above my abdominal scar lipo-ed; it is so tight there!

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited November 2011

    Kathe...

    My doc will make his suggestions and then I wlll chime in if I want more... but the doctor is known to be generous and goes to town, unless you don;t want it all... as far as how long it takes, it takes what it takes... will let you know.

  • KatheW
    KatheW Member Posts: 94
    edited November 2011

    Betsy -- I hope you can relax and get some sleep before you travel. I would have difficulty, but then I have trouble sleeping under the best conditions ;-). I look forward to hearing about your experience.

    Good luck!

  • NotAfraid
    NotAfraid Member Posts: 218
    edited November 2011

    All 3 of my Stage 2 surgeries were outpatient.  The first took 2 hours, the other under an hour.  No hospital stay required - or needed.  It was a pretty easy recovery (except for the anesthesia for me).  The Stage 2 I had on Monday was a piece of cake and, other than feeling like I did 150 sit ups - I felt great the next day.  

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