New here and terrified!!! NSM???

dmarie71
dmarie71 Member Posts: 81

I am 40 years old just got upgraded from ALH to LCIS and I am so scared and overwhelmed!  Due to the fact that I have very dense breast tissue that make my mammos and my MRI difficult to read, I was told by a team of surgeons, pathologists, oncologists, and radiologists at the breast center I go to that prophylactic mastectomy is a very reasonable option for me.  I'm scared to death that I may have something more lurking in my breast tissue and I know I cannot live in 6 month increments worrying if this will be the time they find "it".  I know I have to go through with this BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED!!!   I am a perfect candidate for NSM but I am obsessing over the pain and all of the things that can go wrong!!!  How painful is this procedure (mast. with immediate reconstruction - expanders)?  How many weeks will I be off from work (I teach first grade)?  What are my chances that I'll end up with post mastectomy pain syndrome?  How emotional is it to realize after the surgery that your breasts are gone????  I don't even have great breasts (small B) but the thought of never having sensation again bothers me.  If anyone out there can help calm my nerves, I would greatly appreciate it!!!!  Thanks so much.  Is there a place on this discussion board we can ask questions about specific doctors in different states?  I live in PA and would love to know where other people went in this state and had super results.  Thanks again!

dmarie 

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    dmarie - so sorry you are going through this, but you came to a great place to gather information.  The first thing I would like to tell you is that with LCIS, there is no rush to make a decision.  You have time to weigh your options.  I had a NSM 11 months ago.   It was a long year of reconstruction, but I am very pleased with my results. NSM lets me look in the mirror and still see the "old" me.  My incisions are under the breast and hardly noticable.  Yes, I do not have the same sensation, but I am gaining feeling back in over 1/2 the breast itself, as well as my nipples.  (btw. it is NOT the same sensation like it used to be, but I have become ok about that).

    There is a thread all about NSM under Breast Reconstruction.  Take a look, it is full of info.  There is also a thread about where NSM are done, you might find this helpful to connect with women who have used a particular Dr close by.

    Again, take you time, gather the information you need.  We are here for you, so ask your questions and we'll try to help :-)  Good Luck!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    dmarie- Like fire-dancer said, don't rush into a decision.  It's obviously not something you can change your mind about.  There is a definite loss when it comes to MX and I think a lot of surgeons down play it.  Until you've had one you don't really get that.  I didn't have great breasts (as you put it) either but I'd give anything to have them back now.  I've gotten really good results with my reconstruction but these foobs, as we call them on here, don't really feel like they are a part of me.  Maybe that will come in time.  That being said, I still think I made the right decision in choosing MX (and my final pathology report confirmed this) but it doesn't mean I don't mourn the loss of the old me.  So please do a lot of soul searching before choosing and be at peace with your decision.  As far as your questions- It's great you can have NSM.  There was a study that just came out that said women who are able to have NS are in a much better place psychologically and emotionally afterwards.  The level of pain is kind of subjective.  It was painful, but not as bad as I thought it was going to be.  Definitely doable.  Time off work is kind of subjective, too.  I think a lot has to do with how good of shape you are in going into the surgery.  Some return within a few weeks.  Others 6 weeks.  The TE's themselves are kind of uncomfortable.  They are very hard like a turtle shell and you may have them in for a few months.  And as far as post mastectomy pain syndrome there really is no way of knowing who will get it and who won't.  Some have pain from the pectoral muscles being stretched to cover the implants.  Some have nerve pain from all the nerves being cut during surgery.  Usually all of this goes away with time.  One thing you might look into is immediate reconstruction.  Since you are a small B you may be able to have your implants placed at the time of mastectomy and skip the TE's all together.  Something to think about.  Good luck with whatever you decide and know we are all here for you!

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited November 2011

    dmarie--

    I had bilateral prophy mastectomy and immediate diep reconstruction, after learning of my lcis.  My extensive family BC history made it a very easy decision for me--I had really been waiting for 'my turn' all my adult life. 

    Your path may not be as clear as mine was, and you are considering a different reconstruction, but regardless, I can share with you that the day I received my final, and clear, pathology report was like being given a birthday cake with thousands of candles:  it meant that I could truly stop waiting for the other shoe to drop. I got it before it happened. 

    It's very hard to accurately weigh your choices when what you know about--big surgery, extended recovery time, and the emotional issue of losing your breasts--are huge and frightening considerations.  You are doing yourself a big favor by taking some time to think this through; my thought to you is that the upside: emotional freedom from the spectre of breast cancer--may be bigger than all the scary parts of the story that are so obvious to you.  Surgical recovery is not as terrible as most of us imagine it to be, and the magic that our surgeons can do goes a long way toward healing the soul afterward. 

    Good luck in your decision and keep asking questions in these forums, because lots of women are reading them and will step in to offer answers from their experience.

    Carol

  • iammommy
    iammommy Member Posts: 213
    edited November 2011

    Where in Pa. are you? You can pm me here. I had a pbm in May but didnt have reconstruction. I did great. Pain was minimal. I have two great surgeons to recommend if uou are in my area. It's hard at the beginning, but you will do fine. Nan

  • iammommy
    iammommy Member Posts: 213
    edited November 2011

    Carol 57 said just what I feel! I got it before it happened! Nan

  • VictoriaB
    VictoriaB Member Posts: 171
    edited November 2011

    HI DMarie,

    Like you, I struggled with this decision. I had lump, then re-excision with close margin. I am 44 with young kids and I don't want a recurrence. So I chose BMX, nipple sparing on the right breast with hip flap tissue transfer. I had the same anxieties and fears you list above. I prepared myself for change, and kept telling myself I was maximizing my survival doing this. There was some sadness the week before surgery, and hey, life is not fair. But five days after the BMX I am CERTAIN I made the right decision. It is wise to understand the SEs but also try to focus on the positive--that you do have options and you are in a position to decide, getting all the info you need to make the best decision for you. You will get through this, and we are all here to help. 

  • Doreenanne
    Doreenanne Member Posts: 36
    edited November 2011

    dmarie71:

    I had a PBM 4/18/11 due to ALH/LCIS.  For me I know I made the best decision. I am 43 and have to children.  I also had very dense breasts.  I did not want to take tamoxifen and I did not want to worry every time I went for a mamo, ultrasound, mri.  The surgery for me was not bad, I really did not have much pain at all.  TE put in, they were a little uncomfortable, but tolerable.  Had exchange 8/11.  I am very happy with the results. I did not have NSM, due to the fact that I had a breast reductions in 9/10 and because the nipples were already removed before, could not do NSM and my BS also recommended not doing NSM.  As far as the NSM there are a lot of women that do it, I'm sure it looks nice.  It's every woman's decision if they want to to NSM.  You will be fine, the surgery is not bad. Believe me, I was a so nervous.  Someone on the board had said to me the same thing, its not as bad as you think its going to be.  THey were right.

  • ArleneMarie
    ArleneMarie Member Posts: 152
    edited November 2011

    Hi DMarie

    I had my LCIS diagnosis in Philly last August, had my PBMX in December 2010 at Penn Hospital and am doing fantastic.  It was a no brainer for me since I had dense breasts, period at 11, no kids and a mother who died of breast cancer.  How ironic though that my sister (age 46) was diagnosed with IBC and DCIS two weeks before my mastectomy so I truly believe it was coming for me.  I cannot speak highly enough about Dr. Sataloff (breast sugeon) and Dr. Louis Bucky (PS) who are in Center City.  Seriously...Dr. Bucky is a miracle worker.  My breasts look awesome and for what little bit of sensation that I lost, it was well worth it to not have to go through chemo.  If you live close by, try to have a consult with Dr. Bucky and Dr. Sataloff.  Feel free to mention my name if you would like.  Arlene Flick.  Also, I detailed the entire process in my blog if you want to find out what I went through in terms of pain, recovery, etc.....  The site is www.arleneflick.blogspot.com   Feel free to contact me at any time.  I've spoken to quite a few women going through exactly what you are going through.

  • dmarie71
    dmarie71 Member Posts: 81
    edited November 2011

    Thank you to all who have responded with positive comments and thoughts!  I was really feeling better about all of this but now my head keeps going back to the post mastectomy pain syndrome.  I have had fibromyalgia for 8 years and I really have it under control.  I was also diagnosed with interstitial cystitis (also known as painful bladder syndrome) 4 years ago...which is also currently under control.  Being that I already have 2 pain syndromes, I am so worried that I am "susceptible" to developing another chronic pain syndrome related to the mastectomy surgery.  I was reading the posts on this site about PMPS and I am back to square one as far as a decision goes.  Part of me thinks...I don't get the surgery and I do develop breast cancer, I  will never forgive myself BUT if I do get the surgery and I develop chronic pain that is debilitating, I will always wonder if maybe I never would have developed breast cancer!!!!  I've read 50% of mastectomy patients develop PMPS...that is a huge risk!!!  I am so sorry...I don't want to be such a "downer" but I am trying to wrap my head around all of this info and trying to make the best decision...which I think I will always second guess!  HELP!!!!  Thanks again for all of your responses.  I felt soooooo alone until I found this site (thanks to you Arlene...I found your blog which led me here)!!!!!

     Dawn 

  • SAOIsenberg
    SAOIsenberg Member Posts: 429
    edited November 2011

    Dawn - I hear you, loud and clear - there are so many things that CAN happen, but no one knows IF they will happen. In your original post, you said the docs said that BMX was an OPTION for you - so that indicates that there is another option, lumpectomy & maybe radiation . . . what about going and talking to another set of docs, just for comparison's sake? This is a very gray area in oncology . . . like you say, there are many women who won't go on to develop IBC and who've had MX unnecessarily. And are there pain "experts" who you might be able to consult on whether you have an increased chance of PMPS? I don't know a lot about this stuff, but if you really are at an increased risk, I gotta say that 10 years of screening really wasn't so bad . . . if I imagine what being in chronic pain must be like in comparison - I'd take the risk, save my breasts for now.

    I had lumpectomies (had to have 3 to get clear margins) 10 years ago and don't regret saving my breasts for those 10 years, at all. In fact, when I was dx'd with a new BC this past June, we even seriously explored lumpectomy again for the other side . . . I REALLY did not want to have BMX, at all. Ultimately, I decided to go for it, kicking and screaming all the way. I had NSBMX w/immediate reconstruction, and like Kate33 said, you might be a candidate for this, too - no expanders, straight to implant (I was and am a B). It hasn't been an easy couple of months, but it hasn't been hell, either. By far, the worst part was the anticipation. I was in excellent physical condition pre-op and it still has taken me a couple of months to get to, say, 75% of my pre-op energy level. I have no sensation in my nipples at all, but sensation is coming back all around my breasts. I was never into my breasts physically at all, but like you mentioned, I will really miss the sensation.

    This is a big deal, but as others have said, there isn't a rush - I was dx'd in June, had my surgery mid-Sept. (I waited 'til my daughter was back in school). Take your time so that you are comfortable w/your decision, whatever it is . . . and keep asking questions and visiting different threads here. It is unbelievable what great resources there are around here - and we all understand what you're going through!

    Hang tough . . . .

    Sarah 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2011

    Sarah-----they don't do radiation for LCIS. The 3 standard options are close monitoring, close monitoring with tamoxifen, or BPMs.

    Dawn----these decisions are so difficult, because there is no easy answer with LCIS. There are pros and cons to  all the options.  It sounds like you still have a lot of unanswered questions.   Don't let anyone rush you into anything. There is no rush with LCIS as it is non-invasive. You can take the time you need to research, get more opinions if you want, or to just let it all sink in.

    I was diagnosed with LCIS 8 years ago and my risk is further elevated by family history of bc (mom had ILC). I took tamoxifen for 5 years and now take evista (and tolerate both meds well with minimal SEs) and continue with high risk surveillance of alternating mammos and MRIs every 6 months,.  Feel free to PM me if you'd like.

    Anne 

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