Worried about ovarian mets...

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Hi everyone...

I'm really worried right now & thought I would come to the one place I know everyone would understand...

Because I'm on Tamoxifen & because of symptoms I was having (abnormal bleeding, pelvic pain, weight loss, more fatigue than usual (which I had already thought was a lot!), lots of abdominal/pelvic bloating, etc.), my oncologist sent me to my ob/gyn at the end of Sept. for a
sonohysterogram and ultrasound.  She said there was just one little area on the sonohyst that could be questionable, but that she wasn't concerned, but then she said my right ovary was full of
cysts.  She thought they were all simple cysts, so she wasn't too worried, but she said she was concerned about a complex one on my left that had solid components to it.  She recommended having both ovaries removed.  She said she understood that I didn't feel ready to schedule the surgery (I'm 35 & hadn't quite accepted the idea of not having the little girl I always hoped to have), so she said I could wait until early November to repeat the ultrasound & then we could talk about whether it would be one or both ovaries.  I agreed. 

Then the Friday before last I started having a lot of pain on the lower left side and my belly was even more bloated than my ‘new normal'-I look like I'm about 6 months pregnant or so.  I waited until Tuesday morning to call the gyn and she told me to come in & they'd do another u/s.  When the tech was done, she told me she had to get the doctor.  The doctor (not my regular ob/gyn), came in with the pictures and told me that the cysts on the rights hadn't grown too
much and looked like simple cysts.  But that I had a ‘complex mass' on the left side that had tripled in size in less than 3 weeks and that she could see fluid in my pelvis.  She told me to go straight to the ER.

I was so surprised to be told to go to the ER that I didn't ask questions.  I was just trying to
figure out who would get my kids from school.  We spent the rest of the day/night in the ER where they did a CT  and gave me morphine and sent a trail of residents in.  In the end, they told me
that this was not a problem for the ER, that my oncologists and ob/gyn needed to manage my care outside of the emergency room.  They sent me home with a bottle of dilaudid and phenergan and told me to follow up with everyone in the morning.

At 8 the next morning, my regular ob/gyn called and told me she had looked at my scans and that I needed to come in for the surgery as soon as possible, that we wouldn't know if it was malignant until they biopsied it.  So I started to make arrangements for the kids, until my oncs intervened and said that I needed a gyn oncologist to do it so that it would be handled appropriately if it is a malignancy.  So my head was spinning at this point.  I told my ob/gyn thanks but no thanks, that I had been encouraged to have a gyn onc do it, and she said she understood completely, but that we only have one gyn onc group in our area and that I may have to wait too long for them to do it. 

So the next day I went to the hospital for my weekly Herceptin.  My regular nurse took a look at my belly and started making phone calls.  In the end, my hospital onc said that after looking at my belly and my scans, she would not treat me.  Plus, she called down to Emergency and had them send someone up to transport me down there.  Ugh...  Another day & night in the ER, only to be told the same thing as I was told on Tuesday.  They said that they were on to my oncologists' plans to get me a faster consult with gyn onc by going through the emergency room.  They
told me that this is not a surgery I want to have done as an emergency, that I would be much better off scheduling it outside of the ER.  So they sent me home with more painkillers and told me to wait it out until everything could be arranged.

The good thing that came out of the ER trip was that as I was walking out of the door, the PA (who had also taken care of me on Tuesday) gave me copies of my scan reports so I would have a better idea of what was going on.  So, from these I learned that they are calling it a ‘complex mass', it has vasculature, color Doppler shows blood flow through the middle of it, it has tripled in size in 3 weeks, has both solid and liquid areas.  My CT also showed a ‘moderate to large amount of free fluid in the pelvis and cul de sac.'  Most of this was news to me.

Of course I came home that night and googled everything in the reports and didn't feel so great about things afterward.  Now I'm just waiting for the only gyn onc group in the area to squeeze me in for a consult (they won't do surgery on someone they haven't consulted with).  They
just got all of my scans & paperwork and said the earliest they can do the consult is Nov. 4.  But I'm wondering if I'd just be better off having my regular gyn group (who says it can't wait) do
it since I'm concerned that it is cancer and that it's going to continue to grow... and there is just so much fluid in my belly.  I am "sleeping" in a chair at night because I'm having trouble breathing.  There is so much pressure on my back and in my abdomen & pelvis.  I think most of it is from all the fluid.

I have been pretty positive about all of the bc stuff since the beginning, but this new twist has me really worried.  Plus, I can understand why my oncologists want the gyn oncs to do the surgery (because they are less likely to rupture it & know how to contain it better if it is cancer), but I'm concerned that I'm going to continue to go downhill in the meantime and feel like maybe it would
be better to just have a regular gyn do it to get it over with...   

As you all know, the waiting is terrible.  I wish I knew if it was cancer or not--my gut is telling me that it doesn't look good... but I know it could still be benign...  I feel like I don't know which way is up anymore!!!

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  • Dortey
    Dortey Member Posts: 20
    edited October 2011
    Dear mom2twins34!

    I'm sorry to hear that you are going through this. :( I'm holding your hand and sending you a big hug. Let me tell you my mum's story about Tamoxifen and ovarian cyst/s.

    My mum had ER / PR positive and HER2 negative breast cancer and she took Tamoxifen until a so-called "atypical cyst" was found in one of her ovaries during a check-up examination. As the cyst had both fluid and solid / semi-solid parts, it was monitored with the help of MRI examinations. Luckily, the cyst didn't get any bigger, but my mum's oncologist told that breast cancer can spread to the ovaries, rarely, but it can happen. So the ovaries were taken out laparoscopically to make sure if the cyst is not malignant. It turned out to be a dermoid cyst (not cancerous). So I believe, Tamoxifen can cause ovarian cysts, but I'm not an expert. It is just what my mum have experienced. I remember reading articles on the Internet about Tamoxifen causing cysts.

    My mum takes aromatase inhibitor now and she is okay. I hope everything is going to be fine. Stay positive!
  • gfbaker
    gfbaker Member Posts: 173
    edited October 2011

    Wow, I am so sorry for all you are having to go through. I had to have my right ovary removed this summer due to a large cyst that had vascular too. This is a type of cyst and lucky for me it was benign. But I can tell you, my surgeon came in and showed me pics and I about freaked out if I wasn't so drugged from the surgery. I hope yours is benign too.

    As for your surgery, you can have your gyn do it; there are also surgeons who are gyn/cancer specialists and you may want to consider one of them if you can.

    I hope you are able to have your surgery soon; this sitting around is the worst part!

    Oh, I take tamox too, this definately increases your chances of ovarian cysts.

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited October 2011

    Mom2twins34, I'm sorry you have been getting the run-around. I don't have any experience or advice about your ovarian problems but am very concerned about the level of discomfort you have at the moment.



    Have you updated your onc? Can anything be done or any medications taken to relieve your discomfort until your appointment?



    I truly hope you get some answers and relief soon, and benign results.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Boy, I am just shocked that they are making you wait until Nov 4th just for the consult!  But in a weird way...maybe that's good because they aren't considering it an emergency??

    Did they happen to do a CA-125 blood test?

  • comingtoterms
    comingtoterms Member Posts: 421
    edited October 2011

    I am so sorry about what you are going through. Tamoxifen can have some pretty intense gynecological side effects. You are in my prayers. I am sending healing thoughts and white light your way.

    Tammy

  • dense
    dense Member Posts: 48
    edited October 2011

    I don't know if that would be useful in your case, but I know there is a new OVA1 test, that is used to tell how likely it is that an ovarian tumor is malignant. (I don't know if it is useful just for ovarian cancers, or also for breast cancer mets to the ovaries, maybe you could ask your doc).  OVA 1 has a fairly high false positive rate, but I would think that if the result said the tumor is not likely to be malignant, then maybe you could relax a bit, and the surgery could perhaps be done by the regular ob/gyn doc.

  • mom2twins34
    mom2twins34 Member Posts: 185
    edited October 2011

    Thank you so much for all of your thoughtful words and insights...

    I had also heard that tamoxifen can cause cysts, though my doctors say this isn't true--but I think that's at least what happened with my right ovary & all the cysts on that one--they weren't there before I started taking it 7 months ago!  As for the left, I'm still trying to be hopeful that it is benign, too--It's reassuring to hear your stories... 

    I knew I would get a lot of understanding here--I am really struggling with the waiting and the not knowing...

    They did send me home from the hospital with dilaudid and percocet, but I'm trying not to take it during the daytime.  My husband thinks I'm not being clear enough about how sick I feel and that if I was clearer, maybe they'd be able to get me in faster.  But I just think it's because this is a really hard group to get an appointment with.  There is another gyn oncology group about an hour and a half from us, so we are talking about going there if they can get me in sooner.  I think part of my problem is that I have a medical oncologist and a radiation oncologist (who's also the medical director) at the cancer center, and then I have an oncology team at the hospital--only because of insurance reasons.  So I had all of my chemo and radiation at the cancer center, but had my surgery and get the herceptin at the hospital, so everyone has an opinion and everyone has a hand in things, but no one is really taking the lead because they don't want to overstep the others.  Plus, the cancer center doesn't deal with ovarian cancer and the hospital team is strictly breast cancer, so I feel like I'm not sure how much faith I should have in what they're all saying.  

    I will ask about the OVA1 test--I hadn't heard of it before.  The ca125 has been included for when I go in for my next round of labs.

    Thank you all for the knowledge and support and healing thoughts--and for making me feel like I don't have to be scared AND alone in this--that there are wonderful people like you who understand...

  • ppplocke
    ppplocke Member Posts: 44
    edited October 2011

    If it makes you feel any better my oncologist has always said breast cancer spread to bones, liver, lungs and brain and not many other places (please forgive me if I am wrong on this). So it seems it would be highly unlikely this would be a bc mets to ovary situation. It could be new primary of ovarian I suppose. I agree with other posters that you shouldn't wait until 11/4. I would bet your regular ob/gyn would do a fine job. Thinking of you.

  • jenn_h
    jenn_h Member Posts: 149
    edited October 2011

    I wanted to chime in here b/c today I got rotten news from my gyn. I went for my yearly pap and my ovaries were very enlarged. One was 3x the size it was at my last checkup. I have a cat scan or CT or whatever they do and bloodwork tomorrow and find out the results Wed. I have not started tamox. yet, was due to start now, but figured I'd wait until I see what's going on here...Just finished rads a couple weeks ago....don't really want to continue on this "wild ride", I thought I was done! Mom2twins, you are in my prayers!

  • StillKicking
    StillKicking Member Posts: 115
    edited October 2011

    I see you are in New York so there must be multiple gyn oncologists.  Get on the phone tomorrow and call every gyn onc in the area and go see the 1st one you can get in to see.  Stess to the receptionist/nurse that this is an EMERGENCY. 

    If you are unable to sleep tonight, start a spreadsheet with the doctor's name and phone numbers so you will be prepared 1st thing tomorrow.   I wouldn't even worry about whether or not they take my insurance.   Get your clothes ready.  Have the car gassed up.  Have a babysitter on standby.  If you have to drive a ways, you can sleep in the car. 

    Even if it is not cancer (hope the Lord) you don't want it to have another 7 days to grow and then schedule surgery which may be more days. 

    It's time to get aggressive!  Beg, cry, lie.  Whatever it takes to get in.  Good luck.

    One more thing.  If it turns out to not be an emergency, you can still make the Nov. 4 consult as second opinion.  No harm no foul.

  • kathleen1966
    kathleen1966 Member Posts: 793
    edited October 2011

    Wish I was there to give you a hug right now, it sure seems like you need one after going through all of this in such a short time.  I don't think waiting until November 4th to have an onc/gyn do the surgery would be all that much time.  Because if it is malignant, you really DO want someone who knows how to handle the ovary and not someone that could potentially release "seeds" into your abdomen. And judging from all the "tossing the ball" that seems to be going on, having to schedule a second surgery after the first if it is an issue would also not be in your best interest. This would only mean more waiting, more nonsense appointments and more "tossing around". What you really need, is your regular obgyn to call the onc/gyn and advocate for surgery ASAP for you...or your regular onc to do this rather than send you to the ER.  I hope you get the help you need soon and are able to reach one person who understands and is willing to fast track you to surgery and relief.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    kathleen1966 ~ I believe the Nov 4th date isn't for surgery... it's just for the consult.  She'd still have to wait to have the surgery scheduled after that. 

    momto twins~ I kind of agree with your husband that maybe you need to convey a clearer picture of the pain you are in. Be more of a "squeeky wheel" :) since no one at the dr office's seems to want to take charge.  Hopefully they can get you in much sooner if you pester them a bit. :)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    mom2twins-----I started having mild discomfort after 5 months on tamoxifen, mentioned it to a few different doctors (over several months) who basically blew me off, saying it was "inconsistent and non-specific". Then had a bout of severe pain, so doctor ordered a CT scan which showed a large ovarian mass, and sent me to my gyn who did TVUS and bloodwork (CA-125--it was normal, but he said it can be quite unreliable, expecially in premenopause).  He was concerned about the possibility of ovarian cancer due to my age (46 at the time), family history of bc, and free fluid in the pelvis. I did ask him about going to an gyn onc, but he said  the important thing to have done was the peritoneal washings during the surgery, which he was planning on doing anyway, so I went with him. I did end up with a TAH/BSO (everything removed abdominally--due to the large size of the ovarian mass (nearly 8 cm) and he said they prefer to do it open (versus laproscopic) whenever there is any question about the possiblity of cancer) and immediate surgical menopause. Do I wish I went to a gyn onc? Sometimes--perhaps he could've saved the other ovary, I don't know. Fortunately, everything turned out benign--the cysts were dermoid, which apparently is pretty common and generally benign. Praying yours are benign too.

    anne 

  • kathleen1966
    kathleen1966 Member Posts: 793
    edited October 2011

    Well I hope awb's story made you feel much, much better! 

  • Chili
    Chili Member Posts: 48
    edited October 2011

    it made me feel a little better...   I have also had pelvic pain in the area of the ovaries for the last 2 months, after 1 year on tamox... ( not nearly as bad as mom2twins though), but pain which radiates up to lower ribs on right side and around to back.. and some weird leg pain for a couple weeks, which seems a little better now, but anyway, off for an ultrasound tomorrow .. and ct scan in the near future...  anxious to find out what the heck is going on down there...but glad to hear that b9 cysts are  quite common.  Switched to arimidex  last week,  hopefully that will help too. 

  • mom2twins34
    mom2twins34 Member Posts: 185
    edited October 2011

    Yikes, while it is reassuring to hear your stories, I'm so sorry to hear that so many of you have had to go through experiences like this, too...  Cancer is a terrible thing...  And good luck with your tests & results jenn_h and chili...

    ______________________________________________________________________________

    Thank you all so much for your posts and stories.  I am reading them with tears in my eyes...  You are all so supportive...  I was able to read a bunch of your posts before going in to see my oncologist at the cancer center today.  I have always been intimidated by him--he just has one of those personalities--so I have a tendency to downplay things with him or to back down even when I feel strongly about something...   But after reading your posts I decided that I was going to ask for what I needed, tell him how badly I felt and tell him what my fears were.  Surprisingly, I didn't even have to make much of an argument.  He sat down at the computer in the room and looked up and down at my CT and ultrasounds (which I guess he hadn't seen yet) and then got me up on the table.  He said that he could feel the mass in my abdomen and hadn't felt it on my previous visit 3 weeks ago and he said that with the look of the scans he thought that waiting until next Friday for the consult was too long--as you have all said!--but that he feels strongly that a gyn oncologist should do the surgery. 

    So I thought about what you all said and told him that if he really thought I should be seen sooner, then I needed him to take the lead and make it happen because the efforts of my other oncologists and gyn (and the trips they orchestrated to the ER) hadn't worked.  He said he'd start making phone calls after I left.  His point was that he's concerned it is still growing and that if it is cancer, he doesn't want to risk having it rupture and spill cells in my abdomen, so he's going to approach it from that angle with gyn oncology.  My husband and I both thought that he seemed very concerned, which is good because not too much phases him, but when it does, he'll fight to get you what you need.  So I think if anyone can encourage them to see me sooner, it's him.

    ___________________________________

    Wow...  Actually, he just called me on his way home.  He said that he called and had a conversation with my regular gyn to get her impression of everything and then he called and spoke directly with the gyn oncologist at the hospital.  He said he explained to her how urgent he thought everything was and why.  She said she would do her best to get me in faster so that I'll hopefully be having the surgery next week and not just a consult.  You know you're a cancer patient when you are really happy to be told you'll likely be having surgery soon!  :-)

    I feel MUCH better about things tonight.  Hopefully everything will work out and I'll get in there soon.  I can't thank you enough for sharing your stories, experiences and your support with me...  I tend to have a hard time asking for what I need--I'm not sure that I would have done that today without your posts... You are all so wonderful...       

  • weety
    weety Member Posts: 1,163
    edited October 2011

    I just wanted to chime up, too.  I had my ovaries removed because of a complex cyst as well.  It was only 3 cm., but was not there the previous year when I had ultrasounds done with pregnancy.  I had my regular gyn do the surgery laproscopically but I was required to have the gyn-onc there in case they needed to switch to the open surgery.  Actually, my gyn was considered the assistant even though he was doing the surgery because the gyn-onc only does open ones.  Anyways, it turned out benign--some kind of an ovarian fibroadenoma.  Good luck all you ladies who are going through this.  It was not a fun wait.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    momstotwins~ I was so happy to read your latest update!  Good for you for being frank with your oncologist.  It sounds like this are on the right track now and I am so glad that you are feeling more in control and confident about your treatment.  Best of luck to you with your surgery.  Crossing my fingers for benign results and speedy healing. :)

  • mom2twins34
    mom2twins34 Member Posts: 185
    edited October 2011

    Thanks, Susan!...

    And thank you all...  It worked!  The gyn oncologist's office called today and said that they were able to make an appointment for me for this Friday for the consult!  So that's great news...  Plus, I was originally scheduled to see the least experienced person in the group, but now I will be seeing the Director of Gyn Oncology at the hospital...  I feel so relieved--about this part, anyway! (I'm sure I won't be so calm as the surgery approaches! Smile)...  I was saying to a friend last night that a month ago I was asking them to help me find a way to keep my ovaries--and this month I'm begging them to take them out.  I guess cancer likes to keep reminding you who's in charge!

    You are all wonderful... 
    Thank you so much for your support and encouragement... I don't think I could have gotten through these last few days without you...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Wow! It sure did work!  You got the Grand Poobah looking after you now! :)  Keep us posted!

  • comingtoterms
    comingtoterms Member Posts: 421
    edited October 2011

    We're all in your corner. Take a deep breath and push on. Many of us have had less than stellar experiences with Tamoxifen. Too bad it seems to be the only drug for premenopausal women. Hugs and love to you. Tammy

  • jenn_h
    jenn_h Member Posts: 149
    edited October 2011

    Good luck w/ the consult and surgery mom2twins!!! Keep us updated!

  • Summer38
    Summer38 Member Posts: 253
    edited October 2011

    Good for you - sometimes being the "squeeky wheel" is necessary!

    Keep us posted.

  • mom2twins34
    mom2twins34 Member Posts: 185
    edited October 2011

    Thank you, all...  I'll let you know what happens tomorrow...

    Gentle hugs & appreciation for all of you!

  • mom2twins34
    mom2twins34 Member Posts: 185
    edited October 2011

    He scheduled me for surgery on Tuesday, so I guess I'm on my way!  

    Thank you all for being there for me...

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited October 2011

    mom2twins34, I'm glad you'll be having your surgery soon. Well, as glad as you can be in a situation like this. I hope the results of the pathology after surgery are benign and your recovery is uneventful.

    Leah

  • mom2twins34
    mom2twins34 Member Posts: 185
    edited October 2011

    Thanks so much, Leah...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Best of luck to you tomorrow!  Hope all goes well and you will be on your way to healing soon. :)

  • janey47
    janey47 Member Posts: 72
    edited November 2011

    I just happened on this thread and I want to add my words of support and positive energy.  Hope all went well and that you'll soon be back here telling us about it.  Crossing my fingers that it's benign.

  • missy_111
    missy_111 Member Posts: 141
    edited November 2011
    mom2twins34 -  was just reading this thread.  So sorry to hear you've had to go through all this.  Thinking of you, and sending good thoughts!

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