multi-focal tumors.....and survival
Hello all....
I am wondering if there are any long term survivors with multi-focal breast cancer (more than one tumor). Yes, I have kind of known all along that having this feature perhaps was not good and I have read that these tumors have a higher chance of "seeding" as they have a "seeding" type personality from the start. I believe I had four tumors, the largest 1.6, and the rest quite small, one .50 and the other two under this. I'm just wondering if there are others who had this feature and have been doing well years later. It has been a little over a year for me. I'm still trying to grasp my situation here and last night I started to realize just how serious I think my cancer was....looking for hope here...I know I should stop reading and get on with life. Because when I do read, I see lists with poor prognosis factors/features and I have just about every one of them....:(...maybe I just need a kick in the pants? I'd like to hear some happy endings....and I consider long term stage IV happy ending as well....I need to enjoy this time while I have it, I know....just need some long term survival stories to help me....
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Mine was strongly suspected to be multi-focal, so I did some research on it when I was diagnosed. My impression was that being multi-focal was not that significant compared to other factors. At one time, researchers tried adding the sizes of all tumors together for staging, but they realized they ended up overstaging the person and overestimating their risk for metastasis, so they went back to staging using only the biggest tumor. Anyway, this isn't exactly what you were looking for, but thought I would chime in, to bump this post, and also encourage you that I don't think being multifocal is a very big deal. (The other suspicious area for me turned out to be ADH.)
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Well thanks for responding? Perhaps there aren't that many of us....We were diagnosed at the same time!
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kathleen, I agree with Beeb. From what my doctors told me, being multifocal or multicentric (which I was), can influence tx recommendations; in other words, I really had no choice but to go with a mx when additional lesions were revealed. But I don't believe they change or worsen your prognosis.
One thing you need to be sure of though, is that a complete pathology was done on each lesion. I think that's where, especially in the past, some women may have not gotten appropriate care because all of their lesions maybe were not the same, so they didn't get the right chemo, for example, or maybe they should have had RT even with a mx, but didn't. Those are just hypotheticals, but just possible ways I think multifocal/multicentric could throw a twist into someone's dx. Deanna
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Sorry you're feeling down today, I have those days also. I had two tumors, one measuring 5x7 and another 1x3. My dr has never said anything different about stats or seeding due to this. She said, if chemo works then it will work, no matter how many or what size they are. I've wondered if she said this just to make me feel better....probably so, well it worked
I don't see how that can be true when 5 yr stats for a I are different than us but that's her attitude. From what I was told my entire breast was infected, my BS said it was throughout the whole breast and looked like cauliflower stalks mixed in with the tissue so, I'm not sure if I'm considered muti focal or not, I think so. I hope someone comes along who knows more and gives you reassurance today. Hugs. -
currently there is , I believe only one study and I believe it was done in Itatly..I am not remembering exactly what my doctor said but all other studies have shown that multi focal or multi centric do not change your odds of a reoccurence and docs stage based on the biggest tumour. But it's VERY important both tumours are biopsied..You want to make sure that you get both tested for HER 2 staus as well!
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Hi Kathleen,
I am a Stage IV gal but saw that you wrote you consider us to be happy endings as well!!
I was originally diagnosed with multi-focal invasive ductal carcinoma (5 tumors)and 4+ lymph nodes in Nov. 2002. I had bilateral mastectomies, chemo and radiation. I went 6 years before I had a recurrence in my hip. So I had bone mets, but only one which made it a better prognosis. I got almost 3 years from Femara and Zometa and was just recently diagnosed with bone mets progression. I guess what I want you to take from this is, next month will be my 9 year cancerversary from my original diagnosis. 9 years!!! And I'm still nowhere near needing chemo as the anti-hormonal therapy is still an option for me. I expect to live many more years.
Hang in there girl, I know it's hard not to wonder when the boogy man is going to come through the door, but for you right now, he's still on the other side of the door! Maybe he'll never make it through the door. Live as if he won't.
((Hugs for Kathleen))
SusanR
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Kathleen,
Yes! Dx at the same time. So you are probably where I am in the process, which is finished with the physical treatment and now coming to terms with it mentally. Like -- what the hell just *happened* to me!?!?!?
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Kathleen- 2 1/4 years out from diagnosis here. I had 2 tumors- one 2.9 cm and one 1.9 cm. I was also under the impresion that it didn't really change prognosis if you were multifocal. Somehow that seems counterintuitive to me, since being multifocal shows that my breast was so good at making tumors it made 2 of them! My onc doesn't seem too concerned about my remaining breast even though I always ask if I should remove it as well. I would guess that alot of the stage III women have a multifocal or multicentric diagnosis, but you can't tell from the "diagnosis" line at the bottom of our comments. I've kind of gotten used to the fact that having 9 positive lymph nodes is the scary feature of my BC (maybe as a result of being multi-centric?) and if I worry, I worry mostly about that.
I would be interested in any information on how multicentricity affects prognosis. But I'm feeling better than ever and have loads of energy. I try hard not to worry too much as long as I feel good.
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hi kathleen,
mine was multifocal too...shaped like a starfish, sorta, with little dots of cancer between the 'arms'. i never heard that my recurrence chances were any higher than other stage 3A gals..my main concern has been that one of my cancerous nodes had extracapsular extension. i also would be interested in studies that show a difference in prognosis based on the multifocal aspect. although i have been feeling optimistic and not so cancer-preoccupied lately.....maybe ignorance is better! i just read what krcll wrote above and i think i feel the same.....more worried about the node business.
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multifocal here too .... lumpectomy removed 7+cm and i had no clear margins in any direction so had a mast, 6 months of chemo, rads, and then on to arimidex that i am still taking ...
i'm working out in a health club (who knew i'd get to 60 then decide sweating can be fun ??? weird huh? ), gardening, traveling, fishing, hanging with dh and friends - life is good right now and i hope i have many many more days like this ....
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Hi, I am multi-focal, too! I had always wondered why they didn't check Her-2 and hormone status on all of the lesions - I had a total of five. This question never got answered for me and I guess I will always wonder. I had every kind possible, some cribriform, some mucinous, some DCIS, some Lobular and then some plain old IDC. Sure would love to learn more about this. If I had it to do over again, I think I would have removed both breasts. They didn't see all of that yuck on the MRI or ultrasound. I try not to think it is floating around my other breast..... Tammy
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Three for me and all three ILC. I never thought about it too much and wasn't told that it made it better or worse. Was just told that they affected 3 quandrants so a mast was the only option.
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Kathleen, I just noticed you were dx just one day before me. Anyway, mast was my only option as well. Hope your feeling better today.
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Kathleen,
I had multifocal disease too but try not to dwell on how many there were. I opted for a bilateral mx and was told after surgery by my onc "I didn't have cancer anymore, they got that out in surgery, but I could have the seeds of cancer" so that's what the chemo and rads are for. I pray that it all did it's job.
I also like to think of this quote I just heard a doc on a news show the other night (the one w/Brian Williams---can't remember, sorry) she said no one ever died from breast cancer in their breasts, it's when it travels somewhere else. So I try to believe although I had significant node involvement they caught it in time. That's my story and I'm stickin with it!

Sharon
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Hi everyone--KRCLL told me you were talking about this on this thread and I should join you all, so here I am! I have been posting on the IDC section about the multifocal and just wondered how everyone has been doing. I was dx 2008 and am just now going for the blood test/scans/mammograms- will be done with that in a few weeks.
I am a multifocal gal. I have 5 tumors and the largest was under 2cm and so I was staged at under 2 until they discovered a positive lymph node- then the staging became 2b. I was told by the bc surgeon the little nasty monsters were marching toward my nipple. I have had nightmares about that comment.
I had IDC-that was the biggest and I think there were two , tubular- that's the one they found first, cribiform, and one dcis. I really don't quite understanding the staging issue, and I appreciate reading everyone's comments.
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I had 2 tumours - 2.5 cm and 1.2 cm - in (just barely) different quadrants. My wonderful BS was able to do a lumpectomy, with good result - I think a key is removing all tissue possibly affected between. Neither she nor my onc has ever said anything about multi-focal being inherently worse as far as prognosis is concerned. Being TN, grade 3, 1 affected node, LVI etc., I figure I had enough to fret about, but I am doing well 2 years out, touch wood.
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Multi-focal here, too! I had a total of 4 tumors: 1.9cm IDC, 2 more tiny IDC tumors in the 4-5mm range, and a 4cm DCIS tumor. I was leaning toward a MX even before I learned of the 3 other tumors, so the decision was sort of made for me. HER2+ and grade 3, but neg nodes. Doing well 2 years out!
Sherrill
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I am multi focal too. Good to hear from others. I am only 6 mos. since diagnosis.
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I'm multi-focal too. 4 tumors in total. I had never heard that being multi-focal increases your risk. I'm glad to read from you ladies that it doesn't. It's early days for me too.
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I was multi-focal as well. I had two tumors. One was 2.3 cm and the other was 0.9cm, and there wqs evidence that they were trying to grow toward each other to make one mother of a tumor. One of my + nodes was also 0.5cm. My onc never mentioned anything specific about needing additional treatment due to multi-focal nature of the disease. I did get hit with everything though - BMX, AND, dose dense chemo, rads and now Tamoxifen. I was religious about doing self exams so I know this crap grew like wildfire over the period of a couple of months. I've always used that as kind of a positive aspect. If it can develop quickly, then it can die quickly too!
FWIW the largest tumor is the only one that ever showed up on pre-surgery scans, but thankfully I had already decided on the BMX. -
I am glad to see that there are soo many of us and that you are all doing soo well!
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Chiming in late but glad to see this thread. I'm IIa, but multifocal/multicentric (2 IDC tumors, 4 DCIS, all in same breast--only 1 IDC and 2 DCIS originally detected through imaging, the rest discovered through post-surgery pathology). Glad to see our survival rates are the same as our unifocal cohorts, but still wishing I had done a BMX instead of a UMX. I hate to think what might be happening, undetected, in my "healthy" breast.
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Here I am too - approaching 6 years since my diagnosis. My tumors were so microscopic they couldn't even get a sample (apparently they keep those frozen in case they need to refer to them later - oh, well). I am glad they threw the book at me treatment-wise - I feel I did everything I possibly could - and I'm still unwilling to stop taking my Armidex as it's the last "treatment trapeze" I would be letting go of!
Julie
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Thanks Julie. It's great to here your story. I got the book thrown at me to. Six years sounds great. I'm only 10 months in, but this long road is made easier by women like you.
Is anyone worried about the other breast?
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Sounds like my situation. I found out that my cancer had spread to my femur in Feb. 2008. I was so scared. I have been alive and strong with just the one bone met. No other mets since. I have to admit I can't help but to wonder how long I will be around. I have two young boys 12 and 8 that I want to finish raising. I am blessed to still be around, but I am only 38 and would love to see my boys turn into men......Anyone know of women who only had one met and it never returned again????
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I am worried about the other breast.
But I am religious also about checking it. Its not a lumpy one. pretty soft. dense, but soft.
and they are going to make it into a size B from its current saggy D. I really don't think I could go through a whole nother TE mast pain again. its been terrible getting my range of motion back. etc etc.
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Totally worried about the other breast. :-(
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I am also multifocal, ILC. I am currently approaching a year from my dx. Mostly I have decided that this is all a complete crap shoot, which means that I try not to worry about it too much. I am doing all the things the docs think will help. I am trying to take decent care of myself with diet etc. Other than, all I can do is hope that the cancer stays away for a nice long time.
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Hello
I am multifocal as well, with DCIS pn0(i+). I had no choice but to get a bilateral mx (bilateral was recommended by the doctor as I have a lots of breast cancer in the family). Like Momine, I hope my cancer stays away a nice long time. I am two years out of my diagnosis and sometimes feel like the 5 year mark, now 3 years away, takes over my life. Try to be positive, though. I think that helps your mental and physical health in the long run. Its hard sometimes, but you can do it!
Agada
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I know this is an older posting, but it has been the only one I could find discussing having multifoci cancers, and it's impact. I've been worrying, and wondering about the significance of having more than one tumour. I had two foci masses identified by mammograms and first biopsy, and the third one found following the surgical biopsy. Anybody else want to discuss having more than one area of breast cancer?
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