Mood swings and exacerbations???

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Nordy
Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

Well... not really, but my husband wants to know what is up with me all the time (besides being menopausal - which explains a lot in itself). I think I finally figured it out. My mood is conversely affected by the size of my arm. When it is down - I am relieved, relaxed... when it is up, I am pissed off and agitated. Anyone else?

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  • Lunakin
    Lunakin Member Posts: 120
    edited October 2011

    Makes sense to me!

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2011

    Nordy, Binney and I have discussed the existential despair that is associated with flares, and how it seems to us that while a flare is distressing, this response, which seems very common, is out of proportion to the reality of the flare, and we think there's some sort of biological connection--?inflammation and mood.

    I found a chapter in an oncology text about "sickness" in oncology patients and how much of the ill feelings are mediated by inflammation.

    Also, I once saw a physician for a chronic issue, and his theory is that our tolerance for symptoms is markedly less, the longer they persist.

    This week, I saw my lovely, amazing LE therapist who measures me, and she found my upper arm--the place of no clinical issues--is edging up by millimeters--and I was distraught. And, and old cord in that area decided to flare. 

    She called me yesterday, and I told her how upset I was, and she was trying to reassure me that it's just millimeters, and I do much more compression on the lower arm/hand, and it's smaller than my "good" arm--but it messed up my mood for the whole weekend.

    Add me to the club of people whose mood is impacted significantly by their LE.

    (I had posted that my rad onc dictated that although I claimed I had LE, she couldn't see it--not that she ever touched my arm--so maybe I'm just a malingerer.....)

    Kira

  • olearca
    olearca Member Posts: 215
    edited October 2011

    I just had this conversation with my DH last pm. I was doing great last week and felt back in control and even dare, I say, normal. But, a flare has completely unraveled me and I feel nothing short of despair. I haven't even been at this but a few months and I just can't imagine how this is going to go on for the rest of my life. I think Kira is right that the response is magnified and even out of proportion to the flare - at least it is for me. My mood is directly related to how my arm and chest feel. I can even be in a good mood and get a twinge or full feeling and I immediately sink.



    I honestly realize I am obsessed with LE. It consumes me.

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited October 2011

    Just yesterday I woke up with my hand all puffy...sent me into a tearful frenzy and I even posted on FB asking for prayers for peace and acceptance because my emotions were so far out of line from the actually issue.  I have stage 0-1 LE so it is mostly under control but when I do have a flare,  I am a weepy, emotional mess!

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2011

    Hugs and brownies to all of you! I'm so sorry.Frown

    But I have to say it: I'm really glad I'm not alone in feeling this way with flares!Embarassed

    Feel better soon!
    Binney

  • Cori221
    Cori221 Member Posts: 21
    edited October 2011

    I too find my mood swings significantly when I am experiencing a flare or am even afraid I am about to flare.  I experience a lot of anxiety.  I think for me it is about control.  Having all the tools - (daytime sleeve and glove, night time sleeve, extra compression for night sleeve, self massage and exercises) following through with the plan discussed with my therapist and still having a flare raises my anxiety level considerably. I also find that I can become totally self absorbed and focused on my LE. I can deal with the day to day but a flare sucks! It feels like going back to zero and somehow failing.  I know intellectually this is not true but on an emotional level it is hard to bounce back.   I try and focus on the blessings of having a great therapist, an insurance company that pays 80% of the costs for my garments, a daughter who can bandage for me when I need it, and the ability I have had so far to bounce back from flares.  I think we all experience this differently but it does take it's toll at times on emotions.

    Thanks for starting this strand.  Interesting.

    Best wishes to all,

    Cori

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited October 2011

    Big, fat swelled arm = (desire to stick pen in nearest person's eyeball x level of obnoxiousness demonstrated by said person)

    I believe Einstein came up with this formula.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2011

    Cori, you said it so well--it's so hard to not focus on LE when it's acting up, despite all the care and time and attention we spend to control it.

    I once wrote in an article on how it felt to have LE, that when there was a setback, I was despondent

    Now, along comes Suzy, to explain this all scientifically--man, I am wearing protective eye guards when if I'm in Mississippi. 

    Agree with Binney, glad we're not alone.

    Kira

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited October 2011

    Yeah, I'm very scientific like that.  Cool

    My DH said to me last night, "You know, you need to do your machine (meaning flexi-touch) because your arm is just now getting back to normal."

    The combo. of big fat arm and menopause really made me want to smack him, bless his heart.

    I need to add menopause into my algebra formula for Nordy. Laughing

  • olearca
    olearca Member Posts: 215
    edited October 2011

    Suzy , you totally crack me up! Off to buy a jumbo pack of pens (extra fine point).

  • cathy1968
    cathy1968 Member Posts: 50
    edited October 2011

    Sounds totally normal to me!  I have not been officially diagnosed yet with lymphadema (Rt mx with snb just 12 days ago) but rt arm has been slightly larger, with numbness, tingling and pain shooting down to tip of little finger, so it's a possibility.  That realization alone sent me off the deep end yesterday.  I haven't been this upset since my initial dx of BC!  I guess it's the knowlege of possible pain and frustrations to come?  Anyway, if just a hint of it upset me, I have total respect and hugs for anyone dealing with a full blown flare up - I'll just make sure I wear protective eye gear if I'm near someone going through it!

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2011

    Cathy, this could easily just be normal post op swelling--just elevate the arm on pillows and gently pump your fist though out the day, and hydrate. and avoid stretching overhead for right now.

    The ACS has a good page for post op exercise:

    They say the first week--but with the information that lymphatics heal in the first two weeks, I think it's safer to adhere to this for at least 2 weeks:

    The week (2 weeks) after surgery

    These tips and exercises listed below should be done for the first 3 to 7 days after surgery. Do not do them until you get the OK from your doctor.

    Use your affected arm (on the side where your surgery was) as you normally would when you comb your hair, bathe, get dressed, and eat.


    Lie down and raise your affected arm above the level of your heart for 45 minutes. Do this 2 or 3 times a day. Put your arm on pillows so that your hand is higher than your wrist and your elbow is a little higher than your shoulder. This will help decrease the swelling that may happen after surgery.


    Exercise your affected arm while it is raised above the level of your heart by opening and closing your hand 15 to 25 times. Next, bend and straighten your elbow. Repeat this 3 to 4 times a day. This exercise helps reduce swelling by pumping lymph fluid out of your arm.


    Practice deep breathing exercises (using your diaphragm) at least 6 times a day. Lie down on your back and take a slow, deep breath. Breathe in as much air as you can while trying to expand your chest and abdomen (push your belly button away from your spine). Relax and breathe out. Repeat this 4 or 5 times. This exercise will help maintain normal movement of your chest, making it easier for your lungs to work. Do deep breathing exercises often.


    Do not sleep on your affected arm or lie on that side.

    And avoid Suzy and sharp objects when things are dicey.

    Kira

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited October 2011

    Yes, Suzy - I think you do need to add menopause into that equation... the question is whether to ADD it to Big Fat Swelled arm or to MULTIPLY it to it! Because really... I feel like it just makes thing exponentially worse!!!!

    I love coming on here and knowing that I am certainly not alone in all of this! Most people just don't get it... and my husband is lucky he does not have a pen in his eye... 

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited October 2011

    PS - Cathy - Kira has great advise for you! Hang in there!

  • garnet131
    garnet131 Member Posts: 64
    edited October 2011

    Cori, I so relate to everything you said, but the part about having the tools really resonated with me--even quoted it to my therapist yesterday when I was being seen for what I guess was my first major flare. Was in such a panic for a few days, and it really helps me now to know that I have the tools. Yes, it is about control and I need to realize that I'M IN CONTROL, NOT THE LE!

    Yes, I've come out from under the covers, knowing I have to always keep my toolbox in sight!

  • kcshreve
    kcshreve Member Posts: 1,148
    edited October 2011

    Chiming in with moodiness associated with puffiness.  I had forgotten of the correlation, and was SO frustrated that I could not get my back to clear last week until I made an LE appt for someone else to work on it.  WIthin an hour of that amazing appointment, all my crabbiness, tenseness, and anxiety disappeared.  I had to call the therapist to thank her for her magical hands.  I felt like I could breathe again....and it was all connected to a flare in my back/trunk.

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