ILC Just Diagnosed
I hope it's okay to post a just diagnosed thread here in the ILC forum. I am getting the impression that I am in a minority of patients, and I hope to get feedback from those in the same boat by posting here rather in Just Diagnosed. I was just diagnosed this week. ILC with ER+, PR+, HER2/neu negative, grade 2 of 3, intermediate nuclear grade, Nottingham's score of 6. I have been told that the growth was 2 cm x 2cm x 2cm in an ultrasound about 2.5 weeks ago. External examination by a nurse practioner said 10 cm. So it's somewhere between there, I guess. It seems to be growing. I found it myself about 3 weeks ago. Previous mammogram in December 2010 had been negative. There is one lymph node that is enlarged but has not been biopsied. I live in the Washington, DC area. I am 49. No previous family history that I know of. Am going to get genetic testing if they approve me for it. No MRI yet.
My treatment meeting is this Tuesday after Labor Day. I'm trying to assemble my questions and be prepared for discussion with all 3 specialists--onco, rads and surgery. I am also trying to educate myself somewhat on ILC but also heeding the advice to stay off the Internet! I generally know that there are questions to be asked about chemo and how beneficial it is to ILC, getting good results from surgery because of it being a thickening rather than a distinct tumor, probable need for hormonal treatment.
If anyone has advice or suggestions for questions to ask, helpful resources, any kind of guidance, I would greatly appreciate it.
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Hi Mary625 -- I'm sorry about your diagnosis. After I was diagnosed with ILC a little over a year ago I found this discussion board to be a very helpful resource.
It sounds like you are already very informed about the unique aspects of ILC. One thing everyone will tell you is that it is "sneaky" and often doesn't show up accurately on imaging. I had clean mammograms for years while mine was growing and it wasn't until I insisted on an ultrasound that it was found. And even then the ultrasound showed the mass to be much smaller than what my surgeon said it probably was.
After I was diagnosed I had an MRI, which I was told was the most accurate in detecting ILC. So you might want to ask about that. Also, because ILC is often multifocal and sometimes occurs in both breasts, an MRI might be helpful in determining surgical options. In my case, the MRI revealed that I had two adjacent masses in one breast but nothing in the other.
I was also told by the doctors in my family that the selection of a surgeon is particularly important for ILC because it is trickier to remove. You are lucky that you live in the D.C. area (I used to live in Northern Virginia but now live in Montana) and have a choice of breast specialists. I can't help you with suggestions -- maybe there are some D.C. members with ideas, if you haven't already made up your mind. I went to Colorado.
ILC can be very responsive to hormonal therapy. In my case, they decided to do hormonal therapy prior to surgery in an attempt to reduce the cancer sufficiently for a lumpectomy instead of a mastectomy. (They said that chemo was unlikely to have any effect.) They gave me low odds that it would shrink enough but because I was 100% ER+ it might be worth a shot. I have been on anastrazole for a year and monitored with ultrasounds and MRIs. According to the MRI I had last week there is no evidence of remaining cancer, a result that no one expected. They won't know for sure what is there until I have surgery so I'm having a lumpectomy and sentinel node biopsy the week after next. The neoadjuvant hormonal approach isn't for everyone -- it's slow and not all doctors are comfortable with it -- but you might want to ask about it.
I hope this helps and that more experienced ILCers will also respond. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions or there is anything I can do to help. Best of luck.
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Mary - It sounds like you already have some pretty good questions lined up. There's a vast difference between 2cm and 10 cm. If the MRI shows that the tumor is on the larger side, you may want to discuss neoadjuvant chemo or hormonals to shrink the tumor before surgery.
I'm from the DC area too. Feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions about providers in the area. In the past year, I've seen 3 MO, 3 BS, 3 PS and 2 RO in the area. I felt better after multiple consults!
Everything gets better once you have a plan in place.
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JSwan - I was typing when your post appreared.NED on MRI is incredible news! My tumor was only 0.9 cm but I often wish that I was treated before surgery so that I would know what the response was. Hoping that the final path shows no active cancer!!!!
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Thanks, toomuch.
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John Hopkins is one of the 3 NIH breast cancer centers that "specializes" in ILC. If I were in DC I would make the trip. If nothing else, get a second opinion from them.
I didn't have any of the top 3 ILC cancer centers in my state so I took a gamble. I have no way of knowing if any of my treatment is working.
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I have an appointment with Hopkins but late in the month. I am going to see if I can get it moved up, now that I know it is ILC. Not sure if that will change anything. What are the 2 other NIH centers specializing in ILC?
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Hi Katarina, I'm curious how you find out that Johns Hopkins specializes in ILC. I've only heard of a dr. Cristanelli (sp?) at Md Anderson. I'd be curious to hear more about this. What are the other centers?
Also, JSwan -- I think you're treatment is amazing! I had the book thrown at me - major chemotherapy that I do'nt think did much for me. But, I was stage III, so wasn't given much choice. I didn't start my anti-hormonals until 6 mos after diagnosis when chemotherapy ended. I really wish I had it sooner. But, I was sure that I was doing a BMX because my ILC was multifocal. Your story is exciting to read and encouraging because it shows how strong and effective the hormonals can be.
Mary, I'd like to add that my MRI showed ILC in one node, but during surgery (sentinel node biopsy), they found it in another so they proceeded to an axillary dissection (had 14 nodes removed altogether). The f/u pathology found ILC in two more nodes (thus stage III). Don't want to alarm you, but it's important to know that your final treatment decisions are based on the final pathology. Also, I'm almost three years out and doing great. The first few months are so rough, but you will get through them. And, you will land back on planet earth (rather than planet cancer) and resume your life.
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Dear Mary,
Your story is similar to mine in some ways, though mine was a mammogram finding. Hang in. Once you have a plan it does get easier. There are also some encouraging things about having ILC, too, among breast cancers. By the way, I was told on several occasions that size is less significant in ILC in terms of prognosis than IDC.
The main things I would Suggest is to insist on an MRI, as stated above. My MRI showed a second smaller tumor in the same breast that the mammogram didn't pick up. This changed my decision from lumpectomy to uni mastectomy. Second item is to ask for the oncotype test. Google it. Most oncs use it now as a tool to determine if chemotherapy would benefit you or not. This has probably saved some women from needlessly having chemotherapy. I didn't have chemo, but had to be told by three oncs -
Sorry! Pushed send before I finished!
Needed reassurance from three oncs who emphatically told me that chemo would do more harm than good in my case and that hormonal therapy is the way to go. Been on tamoxifen, Lupron shots and Zometa (IV twice a year) and am doing well.
Good luck, Mary.
Shari -
Thank you Shari and MandaLynn. The MRI has finally been ordered. I had a first opinion yesterday which include recommendation of chemo because they think there is a lymph node in question. It is going to be biopsied. Despite several requests on my part, they did not decide to give me the oncotype as I was told the node and the size of the tumor mandate chemo. Chemo would be prior to surgery. Hormonal proposed only as the 4th step.
So today I have the first of 2 second opinions that I have lined up. The other is tomorrow at the big place up the road that is one of the 3 ILC centers! Got it moved up yesterday when I could show them the diagnosis. I am keeping an open mind to the other opinions.
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Sounds like things have changed since my dx, I had ILC 5 cm tumor and had bi-lateral mx and chemo and radiation and tamoxifen - in that order - but something must be working - I'm still here, fat and sassy. My mom had ILC too - but she did only a mx and tamoxifen. She's still here too. She was post menopausal and I was not - We do not have the gene even though we both have ILC - does anyone know if that is common for a familial connection? I worry about my 2 sisters with 2 first degree relatives having BC. Take care all - Ellie
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One of the reasons I decided to go the neoadjuvant hormonal route after given that choice was that the "textbook" treatment for someone with my diagnosis (7cm tumor with a palpable node) would have been mastectomy, then chemo, then radiation, then hormonal. To me it made no sense to wait several months to get to the systemic therapy most likely to help in my case. I wanted to start on the anastrozole right away. But everyone's situation is different.
Ellie1959 -- Apparently there is a connection between ILC and mutations of the CDH1 gene: http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/BreastCancer/DetailedGuide/breast-cancer-risk-factors
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i was just diagnosed with stage 3b (i think) and ive been started on chemo even though i will ask my oncologist tomao about hormonal therapy as well but like was said it depends on the size of the lump. mine was 7cm and was already present in the axilla way before diagnosis. im encouraged from the posts im reading as i thot there was no hope of survival.
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Hi,
I have been an ILC survivor since 2006. I had a lumpectomy followed by 34 radiation treatments and 4 years of Tamoxifen. I went for my check up last October and my BC had returned to my breast skin on the same side as the lump in 06. It was also scattered around in my breast in small size tumors. My mammogram was perfect and showed nothing. My nodes were clear again so I had 20 weeks of chemo followed by a bilateral and all of my breast skin removed from my left side. They replaced it with back skin and it all turned out looking fine. Since it went to the skin I am considered Stage 3b. I was really depressed and upset for the last year but now I'm healing and feeling strong again. I felt like my Oncotypedx had failed me since it scored me at 9. I guess it didn't really totally fail me though because when I went back and read my paperwork, it said that I had a 94% that it would not spread beyond the breast and it didn't. It told me that chemo would be no value to me however when I started receiving chemo, the skin cleared up after just one treatment. The skin amounted to 2 small looking bug bites. No one would ever think it was cancer. ILC is such a sneaky type to have. I look at my skin about 10 times a day to see if it has any tiny pink bumps. I know this is getting long but please know that if I had it to do over again, I would of have both breast removed in 2006. I don't think I would have had chemo and I don't ever want to do it again. For me it took all quality of life away. Good luck with your treatments!
Nancy
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