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  • grdnslve
    grdnslve Member Posts: 310
    edited October 2011

    at my pre-op visit, my ps remarked on the scar from my port removal, asking of he did it.  when i told him no, he said they (ps docs) have a habit of trying to take credit for the better results.  it was kind of funny to me, and also i hadn't really noticed how well that scar had healed.  it was awful at first & i was just figureing it would always look that bad.  so now am hoping the other scars heal as well.

    when i got home from surgery, dh gave me this big ol' cowbell to ring if i needed anything.  cool.  i was laying there listening to the tv blaring in the living room..got to wondering if the bell would work, so CLANG.  nothing.  CLANG CLANG CLANG ... nothing.  then i really went to town on the bell.  nothing.  got up, took the bell out to him & told him thanks for nothing.  by then i had invented something i needed.  he just looked at me and said 'it's a good thing you didn't die.  when the aid car came i would have been 'it's so sad, she had the bell in her hand, why didn't she just ring it!'' 

    i'm going to get a clapper & hook it up to his tv.  that will get his attention.

  • treesprite
    treesprite Member Posts: 359
    edited October 2011

    A COW bell  . . .that is so funny! OMG . . . ! My DH carried his cell phone around and I would call it . . . mostly he paid attention, although he had Bose headphones on during my actual surgery; the doc and nurses couldn't track him down until they could ask me when I woke up l. . I told them to look for the guy with the big headphones one! I can laugh at it now but I was pretty pissed at the time!

    Kay . . I don't love that I have one side with a nipple and one with a big blank spot (i'm a uni), but I am making the best of it. It is weird to look in the mirror (or look down) and see no nipple. Also on my 'normie' side, the nipple is permanently out after the lift (don't know if that will change or not), but it makes it hard to wear anything that allows that nip to be seen . . it looks too weird with one headlight on and one off, maybe no one else notices, but it bugs me. I think the nipple and tattoo will provide camoflage . . . our brain will probably fill in a lot of the details it expects to see . . of course we'll always know! I think it was such a relief after the mx and TE to have a mound that was all me and looked a lot more normal!

    Kathy

  • c8ndygr1
    c8ndygr1 Member Posts: 186
    edited October 2011

    kay1963 and sherryc - rest easy, stage 2 should fix your large circle scars considerably. Pre-DIEP I told my PS that I did NOT want those large saucer sized areolas. Woke up with - guess what? - large saucer sized areolas and was very disappointed. But after Stage 2 I realized he needed that extra skin to create the nipples. They are now much smaller around and healing flatter. Early on, I too wondered, 'how can all these ladies be thrilled with Frankenstein scars like mine?', but they were right, even after 1 month of post-Stage 2 healing and settling, my noobs and flat tummy are already fabulous. With tattoos in Dec they will look totally normal and I'll probably become an exhibitionist flasher like the some of the other happy ladies on this thread.

  • grdnslve
    grdnslve Member Posts: 310
    edited October 2011

    yeah, not thrilled with the uni-nipple either, but i have to admit that the natural girls gave me the same problem in shirts...had one innie & one outie.  maybe i could take a sharpie & draw in the bullseye for now...what do you think??

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited October 2011

    I had a nipple sparing on one side, so i also have one nipple, but is perpetually "asleep" so I am thankful for that... so when he builds my other nipple, hopefully it will have low projection... My PS did not add skin... said he will build the nipple out of what's there... also left part of the aereola or so it seems... mine are naturally kind of light.

  • likalaw50
    likalaw50 Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2011

    With my uni- DIEP I was able to spare the nipple that my BS had said would be possible, but when I told the PS, he wasn't so sure as he's seen them die and thought it might be better to just plan on not saving it.  We also talked about banking it somewhere on my body, but that sounded to weird to me.  He said he had a vitality device he uses during surgery to be able to tell if it has a good chance of survival.  It did luckily.  I have a partial round scar on the top of the areola where my BS had gone in for my previous lumpectomy so my PS said it may have injured the nerves too much also. My nip is now somewhat perky at times, although a little more sleepy than the other normal nip.  It does make me feel more whole to see my own. The incision for the flap is on the side where the incision went up to meet the areola.  I have an 'eye' shaped spot where he didn't cover (belly skin) to be able to monitor the flap instead of the round incision on the areola/nip area, like others have.  It looks very strange, but I know in a few months he will remove that 'eye' patch and close the incision for a small scar again.  My DH keeps saying I should put eyelashes on it.  Right.  My step-daughter is having a Halloween party soon and he thinks I should go as the Frankenbride.  He has a warped sense of humor ;  I'm not going along with that, maybe next yr.  

  • slg2130
    slg2130 Member Posts: 140
    edited October 2011

    Diep was yesterday. When I woke up, I was just happy expanders were out!!! Will likely get discharged on Sunday. Surprising how the tunny incision hurts kore than the fobs!

  • treesprite
    treesprite Member Posts: 359
    edited October 2011

    sig2130: you are posting already -- good for you! It is wonderful to wake up and have the TE's GONE! That was one of the best parts for me. Yep, the belly is way more sensitive but each day you'll feel better, although the first few times standing up aren't much fine but it does feel good to be out of bed and mobile again. Try your best to rest and recover and let everyone wait on you and pamper you!

    kathy

  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited October 2011

    sig2130, congratulations on being on the other side!  Yes, for sure my abdomen was much more sore than the breast.  It will get better.  I'm 9 and a half weeks out now and have no pain or anything at all in the abdomen.  My skin doesn't feel tight any more at all.  Everything with the abdomen feels completely normal now.

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited October 2011

    Sig, keep in mind that you're using the abdominal muscles and moving the abdominal wall that was cut, even when you try not too. So of course, this part of your body is barking at you!  Your foobs on the other hand, are just hanging out. Do what you can to avoid using those abs.  You'll feel better and better each day.  Walking ( slowly, and stooped over at first) speeds up the healing. The worst is over by now, it's downhill from here. You will be amazed at how much healing progress you make every day.

  • kriserts
    kriserts Member Posts: 224
    edited October 2011

    bdavis, question for you. You said you had a lost DIEP flap. Can you elaborate? Was it an emergency when you had it? What did the scar look like? I know you said you had a hip flap to replace it, but did you go deconstructed for a bit?

     i'm asking because I have a clotting issue, and the surgery might be less successful on me. I have a 15-20% of losing the flap (vs. the standard 1-2%).  My implant is painful enough so that I'm going to have it removed, regardless, so part of me thinks I might as well try the DIEP, same outcome if it doesn't work. BUT is that thinking correct? Would you have been left with a standard mastecomy scar, or worse? Thanks.

  • Just_V
    Just_V Member Posts: 841
    edited October 2011

    Went to dinner with some girlfriends last night (while my husband watched the AL champion Rangers - just saying....), and ate a TON of Italian food - and said to my friends, 'what, I am just growing boobage (for my DIEP)... LOL

  • ReadingMama
    ReadingMama Member Posts: 573
    edited October 2011

    Hi, I'm sure it will take me days to read all these pages, but wanted to jump in here.  Just dx for 2nd cancer barely 1 year after 1st dx.  Am getting mast, probably uni, and am looking at DIEP or TRAM.  Don't really want implants, but they seem to be out anyway, since I had Rads.  unfortunately I am only 5 months out from Rads, not ideal and still on Herceptin, also not ideal.

    Any suggestions on PS in Northern NJ would be helpful, feel free to PM me.  I saw Dt. Tzvi Small today.  I will also look at NOLA thread, but not sure I have the funds to travel.

  • kaitsmom
    kaitsmom Member Posts: 291
    edited October 2011

    ReadingMama - So sorry to hear of your new diagnosis. Please don't automatically rule out traveling to NOLA.  Check out the organization called Breastoration.  They may be able to offer assistance with travel, or help you find some other funds available.  Also Mercy Flight or Angel Flights.  And as for accomodations, the American Cancer Society has a very nice facility called Hope Lodge.  Lodging is available for free for anyone who has to travel for their cancer testing or treatment.  It is just outside the city, but if you go through the Center for Restorative Breast Surgery, they provide limo transportation at no charge to and from the airport to the lodge, and to and from the lodge to all of your appointments. The Center has someone who can help with all the arrangements. So as I said, please don't rule out anything yet.

  • Snobird
    Snobird Member Posts: 593
    edited October 2011

    Dr. Joshua Levine (diepflap.com) out of NYC also does procedures in NNJ. He did mine last Dec and I have fabulous results. Very caring staff also. PM me if you need more info. I too had rads and this was a recurrence for me. Best of luck.

  • ReadingMama
    ReadingMama Member Posts: 573
    edited October 2011

    Thanks.  i decided it will be impossible to read all the pages, so I started on page 89 and am now on page 96.  It is very helpful to read others stories. 

    Snobird, thanks for the recommendation.

  • Just_V
    Just_V Member Posts: 841
    edited October 2011

    OK ladies - I know two weeks before my 11/9 surgery to chalk up on vitamin C and protein, and begin washing with special soap, but I need help on what clothes to make sure I have in stock... any suggestions?  

  • ReadingMama
    ReadingMama Member Posts: 573
    edited October 2011

    Hi again, Thanks for all the information, although I only read from page 89, it's been very  helpful.  I am leaning toward staying local as I absolutely LOVE, LOVE my BS and really want her to do the mx.  I don't want to delay and want immediate recon, so am leaning toward a PS here locally.  I liked the PS I meet on Monday, he has done a fair bit of DIEP and my BS works with him frequently.  I may meet with Dr. Levine as well, was recommended to me twice so far.  A few questions:

     - He said 8 hours for the surgery, mx and DIEP, is that about normal.  Seems from reading I saw from 4 hours to 17.

    - For those that work, how soon before you went back?  I have a long commute on a train, but could start off working from home so I could stand/lay down on breaks if I had to.

     - This is my 2nd bc in a little over a year, both in the left.  I am considering a Uni.  But if I later get BC in my other breast, then what would my options be?  I guess I could go more specialized to NOLA and do hips or an implant, though I would rather stay away from that.  Still deciding about UNI vs. BMX, is there a thread on that?

    - The PS did not mention a CAT scan.  What is that for?  I'm getting one on Saturday, which I told him, so that may be why he didn't mention it, but can they really tell if the blood vessels are good from the CAT scan?

    I'm sure I had more questions, but can't think of them now.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2011

    ReadingMama,

    I'm sure others will be along quickly -- I just wanted to give you some answers based on my experience.

    To take your questions slightly out of order, I'll begin with the CT scan.  Yes, they can tell about your blood vessels from a CT.  Some surgeons do a CT, some an MRI.  Mine did a CT and all my blood vessels showed up beautifully.  (I had a BMX w/ immed DIEP).

    Segueing into the time for the surgery, it varies among surgeons and depending on your body and blood vessels.  WARNING -- my experience was NOT typical.  I am a free bleeder and a very easy bruiser.  I had a BMX w/immed DIEP, as I said earlier.  My surgery was 20 hours (including mx and DIEP), but that was because I am a free bleeder and the capillaries didn't want to stay connected.  My noobs are absolutely fine and beautiful, I had no problems with heavy bleeding during surgery nor did I need a transfusion.  It just took a long time.

    I had my surgery on August 23, and I am not yet back at work fulltime.  However, I have a lot of sick leave and an offce that allows me to telecommute.  My supervisor happens to be a physician (not required in my organization -- he just happens to be one) and is very supportive of me taking a long time to fully recover.  That said, if I had been forced, I probably could have gone back after 6 weeks -- but I had a BMX and 20 hours of general anesthesia to contend with.

    UniMX vx BMX.  Tough call, and very personal.  I was originally dx with DCIS grade 3 in June 2007.  Had lump, re-excision, rads, tamox, and was dx with a reoccurrence (in the same breast, same place) in June 2011.  I elected to go the BMX route, since the cancer switch was clearly on.  Right MX was prophy, breast turned out to be clean in path report, but I have zero regrets.  I knew as soon as I heard the second dx that a BMX was the way to go for me.

    I know you're short of time, but if you can find some more time to read, I would advise reading all the pages of this thread and taking notes.  People are wonderfully helpful and everyone will answer your questions to the best of their ability, but I found that I gleaned the most information (and could formulate the best questions) by reading everyone's stories and writing down the things I wanted to follow up on.  My surgeon was amazed (in a good way) at all the questions I asked, and he has bragged that he learned a great deal from those questions, as he had to go find the answers to some of them.

    All that said, my experience was only my own.  Everyone is different. I must say that I have been amazed at the women who have this surgery and go back to work within a few weeks ... I didn't feel human until about week 3, when I got my last of 6 drains out.  These ladies are amazing!

    Good luck,

    L

  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited October 2011

    ReadingMama, I had a uni.  It was much easier to recover from than a bi would have been.  I could use my other arm normally, if I had had a bi, I wouldn't have been able to do much on either arm.  Also, it reduced the time in surgery by half which comes with less risks.  That being said, the abdomen is exactly the same whether you have one or two (as long as you have enough fat there for two).  And the recoup time is about 3 weeks of real limitations with the arms, 6 weeks for being able to lift more than a half gallon of milk (for me any way).  Those 3 to 6 weeks are limited vs. the peace of mind of not worrying about a new occurance in the other breast.  Also, you won't be able to get the DIEP again, so that is a thought to keep in mind as well.  I can't answer what the other options are.  For me, the uni was the right call (and I did not have enough fat for two breasts which made the decision easier), but I can see why a lot opt for doing both.  Good luck and if I can answer anything else, let me know.

  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited October 2011

    Just_V, I am not the best to answer that, but I would say have some button or zip large tops to wear.  You will have a hard time lifting your arms, so you won't be able to put something over your head.  You'll want them large to be able to pin your drains inside them.  Also, for pants, something large and soft like yoga or sweat pants.  You won't want anything tight on our incisisions.  Not sure what to say about underwear and bras.  My regular underwear was okay for me, but just keep in mind the incision will be just above your hips and you won't want anything touching it.  Some people get some compression garments to wear from the docs in the hospital.  I didn't.  Didn't wear a bra, but wore a large cami with a shelf.  Hope that helps.

  • treesprite
    treesprite Member Posts: 359
    edited October 2011

    regarding post surgery clothes . . a big yes to soft comfy stretchy yoga type pants, either low or high cut undies (just not an elastic band sitting directly on incision), i used shelf camis that I could step into  - so bought them roomy enough for easy in and out but not so big that they wouldn't hold my boob/noob up. Some women loved a dress or skirt to make the bathroom easier (skirt might be easier to deal with drains). Check with your doc about if and what kind of compression for abdomen . . .  light compression seems to help comfort with abdomen. I shopped thrift stores for tops and discount stores for lighweight compression. Thrift shops and/or craigslist are great for a shower chair (really good to have one on hand for after!). There are some great camping type recliners that might make for comfortable sitting/reclining after surgery if you don't already have a recliner - they are easier to move by shifting weight and not having to use your arm to operate a lever.

    best wishes for great outcomes for all with upcoming procedures!

    Kathy

  • Kay_G
    Kay_G Member Posts: 3,345
    edited October 2011

    Oh, and a wedge pillow was a big help for lying in bed or on the couch.  Getting your knees up helps with the abdomen pain.  Bed, Bath and Beyond carry them for about $30.  And bring a pillow for the car trip home from the hospital to put between you and the seat belt.  I think that's all I've got.

    Good luck, you'll do fine and be on the other side soon!

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited October 2011

    Just_V, I read a suggestion somewhere in these forums that turned out to be fabulous for me: get some white T shirts, a bit big, and cut them up the front so you can put them on like a button-down. Then you can use them as liners for other button-down shirts, closing in a few spots with safety pins.  You can pin your drains to them, they absorb some of the oozing, and they're not pricy (I bought a men's 3-pack at Target).  I lived in these things for about two weeks, just in the T-shirt when home alone or with close family, and put something over them just when out and about. 

     After my t-shirt-chic phase, I found that camis with shelf bras were most useful.  I had some skin areas on both breasts that died, and it took a while for them to heal. My PS suggested using an absolute minimum of paper tape to hold gauze in place, because all the skin is fragile for a few weeks. The camis with shelf bra did a pretty good job of helping to hold the gauze in place with minimal little tape corners, and I slept in them, too.

    You'll do great....

     Carol

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited October 2011

    Another thought about the pillow for the car: I test drove that idea before my surgery and didn't find a pillow that wasn't too thick--made me feel like I was buried under marshmallows. I wanted padding under the lap belt and under the shoulder harness. In the end, I settled on an extra large and thick bath towel, which I folded for thickness just where I wanted it.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2011

    For the drains, I got a scrub top with pockets in the front that snapped down the front. I put the drains in the pockets. Yoga pants were useful, except mine kept riding up and rubbing on my incision (which was VERY low, just above my "hairline"). I couldn't pull them up over my drains too well because it hurt. Basically, I went "commando" around the house and tried to hold the yoga pants off my incision when I went out. Dresses would probably have been a better idea in retrospect.



    L

  • ReadingMama
    ReadingMama Member Posts: 573
    edited October 2011

    Kay and Libby, thank you.  I will try to go back and read more and thanks for the suggestion about taking notes.  I do not have enough ab fat for a bmx, so if I chose that route, it would likely be more complicated and be a stacked diep and use hip fat or something else...

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited October 2011

     KRISERTS... to answer your question, my flap failed because my incision opened up and was leaking... and go bigger and bigger...The reason it opened is because from my MX, the skin was too thin on the right side and I had to use A&D ointment to help heal the skin... the incision stayed moist and when the glue came off, the incision opened... Luckily for me, New Orleans flew me back down (on their dime) to do a wound surgery and re-do the right side... using my abs for the re-do. When they re-did the right side, they needed to replace the damaged skin, so my scar on the right looks like an upside down U... on the left it is the vertical scar. So... hip flap surgery July 21, wound surgery Aug 18, DIEP surgery Aug 23... I had a wound vacuum on me Aug 18-23.

    ReadingMama... I encourage you to at least submit paperwork to NOLA and see what they say about cost... If you don't have enough ab fat for two breasts, which was my problem, they have options... I had the hip flaps first and later when they re-did my right side, they used my abs for that... And kaitsmom (Amy) is right... they transport you everywhere important and the Hope Lodge is a great hotel option... I too really loved my BS here in NJ, but I also wanted a doctor who had done 1000s of DIEPs and had what seems like 100% customer satisfaction... So I went to NOLA.

  • Snobird
    Snobird Member Posts: 593
    edited October 2011

    Reading Mama - I chose a BMX/DIEP because I also had a recurrence albeit it was 4 yrs later than the originalDX. Dr Levine did my surgery in 7.5 hours. I spent a total of 5 days including the day of surgery in the hospital. I was able to drive short trips within 2 weeks post surgery. I am self employed so work wasn't an issue but I wouldn't have been able to do a long train commute until at least 4 weeks. Really, you just get tired and your body needs rest to heal. On the bright side I was skiing in CO everyday starting a 5 weeks out. I started out with easy runs for 1/2 days working into longer days and runs as I felt better. I found that I felt much better being active than sedentary.

    I chose the BMX because I just wanted and needed to be done. I was happy with the surgeons and the results.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited October 2011

    I also chose BMX because I needed it done and did not want to later endure another recovery... no regrets.

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