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  • ma111
    ma111 Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    I love the keepsake idea.

  • SonofanAngel
    SonofanAngel Member Posts: 13
    edited October 2011

    Hello all.  Thank you all so much again for your support.  I got my mom's pathology report.  So here it is. 

    IDC with DCIS. 1.5cm. Stage IIa, Grade 3, Mitosis 2, Nuclear Grade 3, Scarff Bloom Richardson Grade III, Necrosis: Absent, DCIS Quantity: 5%, Estrogen Receptor 90% positive, Progesterone Receptor 90% positive, HER2/NEU Negative. 

    If there is anything I am missing here, please let me know.  Thank you all again for everything

  • Maureen813
    Maureen813 Member Posts: 2,893
    edited October 2011

    Hi Rob, The good news is she's ERPR+ additional treatments (Tamox or AI's) are available to her. Did they provide any information about her lymph nodes?

  • SonofanAngel
    SonofanAngel Member Posts: 13
    edited October 2011

    All I know about the Lymph Nodes is there were 2/4 positive. 

     INTRAOPERATIVE CONSULTATION:
    AFS DX: ONE LYMPH NODE POSITIVE FOR METASTATIC CARCINOMA-MZ, 09/23/11 @8:53AM.
    BTDX; 1.5CM. TUMOR, MARGINS NEGATIVE-MZ, 09/23/11 @ 8:53 AM.

    FINAL DIAGNOSIS:
    A BIOPSY, LEFT AXILLARY SENTINEL LYMPH NODE:
    • TWO OUT OF FOUR LYMPHNODES POSITIVE FOR METASTATIC ADENOCARCINOMA
    (MACROMETASTASIS).
    B. LEFT BREAST, LUMPECTOMY:
    -INVASIVE DUCTAL CARCINOMA.
    - HISTOLOGIC TYPE: MICROPAPILLARY •
    • TUMOR SIZE: i.SCMS.
    - SIZE OF INVASIVE FOCUS: i.SCMS.
    - HISTOLOGIC GRADE: 3•
    • NUCLEAR GRADE: 3•
    • MITOSIS: 2•
    • SCARFF BLOOM RICHARDSON GRADE: III (8 POINTS) •
    • NECROSIS: ABSENT •
    • VASCULAR LYMPHATIC INVASION: PRESENT •
    • DCIS COMPONENT: PRESENT•
    • DCIS QUANTITY: 5%•
    • DCIS TYPE: COMEDO AND CRIBRIFORM •
    • DCIS LOCATION: INSIDE AND OUTSIDE MAIN MASS, NUCLEAR GRADE HIGH•
    • NECROSIS: PRESENT •
    • MARGINS: MEDIAL MARGIN POSITIVE FOR DUCTAL CARCINOMA IN SITU •
    • PATHOLOGY STAGE: pTic,pN1a,pMX. 

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited October 2011

    Rob, do you know if anyone has suggested to your Mom that she might need a 2nd surgery, to clear the positive margin for DCIS noted in her pathology?  Other than that, the majority of her path stats look very good.  I like to think of the positive nodes as having done their job -- catching the "bad" stuff (e.g. cancer cells) before they got any further.  However, the fact that they were in 2 lymph nodes indicates that they know how to travel, so it does sound like chemo might be prudent -- depending, of course, on what her docs recommend.

    In case you haven't figured it out yet... Stage II, even with node involvement, is considered early bc.  With appropriate tx, she should have a very good prognosis.    Deanna

  • SonofanAngel
    SonofanAngel Member Posts: 13
    edited October 2011

    Hey Deanna,

    Yes we were aware of the problems after the first surgery, which is why she has had a second one which was confirmed to clear the margins.  I didn't want to put up her whole pathology report on this site.  =o).  

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited October 2011

    Hi Rob....I sent you a PM earlier...did you get it?  Deanna is right....about if even 1 lymph node is positive... If you could get your Mother to read some of the experiences other women have had while doing chemo, it might help.   I didn't have chemo, but knowing what I do now, if I found I had cancer again, I would go for the mastectomy, or have both breasts removed.  Then chemo is usually not needed... 

    But with a lumpectomy, and a high Onco score showing that chemo is needed, for those positive nodes, I would do it in a minute.....  Sometimes it is rough, other times, depending on which type they use, it's easier....

    Just think of it as a re-assurance that the chemo is fighting any stray cancer cells...Same with the Radiation.

  • ma111
    ma111 Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    I agree with the others that the Er+ is less aggressive and easier to treat. It is also good that she is post menopausal. Sounds like a good prognosis.

    It seems the horror stories you talked about earlier is a major concern for her and I don't blame her. Side effects are so much more treatable then just a few years ago. Lets work on making sure she knows that to encourage her to comply with it and be not so scared. My mother was bed ridden during chemo because of a lack of treatment for side effects. It is likely that your mother may know someone that had the same experience.If your mother does the net this is a good site; http://www.caring4cancer.com/

    I still like the care package idea with the keepsake for encouragement. I also think that would help her open up to you to tell you any side effects or other things that could be bothering her. Then you can come here and we can help.

    Good luck with mom, you are a good son and she is lucky to have you.

  • Maureen813
    Maureen813 Member Posts: 2,893
    edited October 2011

    Hi Rob,  Hope you and your mom are doing well.  Chemo will be okay, let me know if I can help.  Additionally, there is a really good seminar coming up if she's interested I can send info.  A few girls from the WNY thread will be attending including me.  I can PM the info.  Just let your mom know by this time next year this will all be behind her.  I have a glass angel stone I keep in my pocket, it calms me.  Hugs to you and family,

    Maureen

  • inthemoment
    inthemoment Member Posts: 538
    edited October 2011

    Hi Rob,

    I am a nurse and was treated 2 1/2 years ago for breast cancer - actually, Amy who wrote earlier, and I are in the April 2009 chemo group together.  I had years of experience as a hospice nurse, and that was both positive and negative as I prepared myself for treatment.  I also was my mothers caretaker 33 years ago when she had metastatic breast cancer, and saw the worst of the side effects before she passed away.  With all that being said, I am the same age as your mother and have a daughter who will be walking in the Strides Against Breast Cancer event with me tomorrow (our third walk) and she has raised thousands of dollars as a team leader for the walks - that was her way of handling the diagnosis.  As for me, I was ER+, PR+ and Her2 +, and had the "big guns" treatment (AC + T and then 1 year of Herceptin, and am now on year two of five with Arimidex).  I was one of the few who couldn't be treated with a lumpectomy because of the location of the tumor, so I had a mastectomy, and a year later, I electively had a mastectomy on the other side.  The story of my tumor discovery is long, but suffice to say, that I could never have relied on current diagnostic tests to monitor the non-cancerous breast, so off it came to give me more peace of mind.

     I had a mediport put in, and never regretted it - Adriamycin is a vessicant, and we knew my treatments, because of the need for Herceptin weekly for a year after the 6 months of other chemo (which your mother will not need - Her2-,).  With my background and medical knowledge - not always a good thing - I was terrified of chemo side effects.  As many have said, it is so individualized, that I would not dare to predict how someone else would respond, but I can tell you, and your mother, that I did much better than I could have hoped for and what side effects I did experience, were quickly and effectively handled by my oncologist.  I believe that having an oncologist that your mother feels comfortable with, can freely ask questions of, and has the right approach to be a partner with her in her treatment plan, is a key to how we handle chemo.  I stayed with my oncologist, although I did not feel he was the "right fit" for me, because I was in the middle of treatment when I realized it.  I did not want to start with someone new at that time, but as soon as I finished the aggressive chemo, and was going for 3 month follow-ups, I changed to another onc who I just love.  She will be my lifeline for years to come, and I wanted to have that relationship with her that I could ask, tell her anything - so your mom may want to "interview" more than one onc.  We tend to be so shell shocked by the news, that we don't think about how important that working relationship is, especially if your mom has the natural approach as well.  As others have said, and with first hand knowledge, I know they mean it, as do I, if I can help in any way, please PM me.  Your mom will get through this, and she is so lucky to have caring, supportive children beside her!

  • inthemoment
    inthemoment Member Posts: 538
    edited October 2011

    Oh, just wanted to say that I will have you and your mother in my heart tomorrow when I walk.

  • SonofanAngel
    SonofanAngel Member Posts: 13
    edited October 2011

    Thank you "inthemoment".  My mom went for her CT scan and Bone scan today (this morning).  She knows nothing of the CT scan, but she was told after the bone scan that she should have an xray done of her hip.  Does that mean cancer has spread to her hip?  My mom is freaking out and I have been trying to calm her down.  I feel like I am losing it!

  • epgnyc
    epgnyc Member Posts: 101
    edited October 2011

    Hi, Rob.

    As to your question about the method of receiving chemo, I have had BC twice and both times they used a peripheral IV throughout treatment.  And my veins are fine!  Of course, this is a very individual thing and the advisability of getting a medi-port might be weighted by the size of your mom's veins and their condition going into chemo.  I definitely did not want to use a port and I was happy when my oncologist did not recommend it.  For your information, I had 8 chemo infusions for each incidence of BC, for a total of 16.

    Best of luck to you and your mom.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited October 2011

    Rob, regarding the scans and recommendation for an x-ray followup.  It's almost impossible to know what they're thinking.  My initial guess is maybe suspiscion for something as simple as arthritis or some other non-bc related condition.  The CatScan and BoneScan are far more sophisticated than a basic x-ray, so it seems odd that they would revert to an x-ray following a scan.  I think the best thing to do is to suggest she pick up the phone (or do it yourself, if you're authorized to get her info) and ask why the comment was made and if she's being referred for an x-ray.  Otherwise, you both will continue to worry about something that may not be all that worrisome.    Deanna

  • SonofanAngel
    SonofanAngel Member Posts: 13
    edited October 2011

    Hello Deanna,

    Yes, I agree with you and I'm so glad that you feel the same way.  I couldn't see how an Xray would be better than a bone scan or CT to diagnose a potential Mets of the cancer.  We will have to wait and see.  I will hopefully know more tomorrow.  You have all been such a blessing and I cannot thank you enough!  God Bless!

    Rob

  • misswim
    misswim Member Posts: 931
    edited October 2011

    Often, if a bone scan shows uptake of an unknown orgin, a plain film x-ray is used to rule out any lesions or bone trauma. I had both a bone scan and a cat scan. The cat scan showed nothing but the bone scan showed very slight uptake at my L-5. I had an x-ray to rule out any obvious metastatic lesions. The x-ray showed a degenerative change and bulging disc. I had a follow up mri that confirmed the bulging disc. No metastic cancer. Don't worry- it is very normal to have follow up x-rays.

  • Maureen813
    Maureen813 Member Posts: 2,893
    edited October 2011

    Hey Rob, f/u x-rays are more common than you'd think.  Could just be DJD, that's what I have in multiple areas and never felt any discomfort or have trouble.  You and mom are in my prayers tonight.  I know easier said than done but don't worry until there's something to worry about. Doc probably wants to make sure mom can handle treatments and he's providing her with top notch care.  On a positive note, it looks like the plan is forming for path forward.  That will be a huge relief to you and your mom.  Sincerely offering for her to call me anytime.  I'd be honored to help her through the hard stuff.

    Love,

    Maureen

  • inthemoment
    inthemoment Member Posts: 538
    edited October 2011

    Hi Rob,

    I am another who got the call to have an x-ray after a bone scan and CT.  Showed uptake in C-5, C-6 area and I had myself convinced it was mets to the cervical spine  Turned out it was DJD, which is so common in your mother and my age group. Hopefully this is one of those false alarms that many of us have lived through, but that doesn't reduce the anxiety by much.

     Geri

  • ma111
    ma111 Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    Rob,

    I agree that the follow up x-ray is very common. If it is in the bone, it is treatable. Especially with her being ER+.  People live a long time with mets to the bone. She must be having pain in that hip for them to order it.

    In regards to the port, it depends on the type of chemo. Some chemos will kill the veins. I didn't have a port for my first round and every vein used is dead.

  • SonofanAngel
    SonofanAngel Member Posts: 13
    edited October 2011

    Well, we got more potentially bad news.  My mother got the results from the bone scan and xray.  All clear, no problems.  But the CT scan picked up "something behind the breast bone".  I am hoping this is somehow related to the surgeries she had back to back as it was not noticed on the pre-op MRIs... but I am not sure how broad of a view they take when they MRI the breast.  They have her scheduled for a PET scan friday.  I will keep you all up to date.  Thanks again for everything

  • inthemoment
    inthemoment Member Posts: 538
    edited October 2011

    One day at a time - similar to the scare with the bone scan, sometimes all these investigative tests scare the crap out of us because they find every little nuance and report it as "something" - let's hope that like the last issue, this will be negated with the PET scan.  I will keep you and your mother in my prayers.

     Geri

  • ma111
    ma111 Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2011

    If the breast MRI was just of the breast, they have you lay on your stomach and the breast goes in the holes in the table, so behind the breast bone is not on the image.

    The ct should have been able to say weather or not it was nodal involvement. Behind the breast bone would not have been from the surgeries as they do not go there for breast surgery. I hope the pet/ct comes back good and sorry they are doing one.

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